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So how likely does it seem at this point that Macron actually pushes through a substantial neoliberalization of the French economy?
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He's got absolute power to do so. Absolute majority in the Assemblée, a right-wing Senate that will only ever work to make things more hosed for workers, state of emergency laws that give cops full range to go all-out on the crushing of protestor's skulls, the absolute conviction that they're doing the right thing and no one to answer to but Gattaz. Plus with executive orders, you know that things are going to go very bad very fast.
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ElNarez posted:He's got absolute power to do so. Absolute majority in the Assemblée, a right-wing Senate that will only ever work to make things more hosed for workers, state of emergency laws that give cops full range to go all-out on the crushing of protestor's skulls, the absolute conviction that they're doing the right thing and no one to answer to but Gattaz. So Le Pen 2022 is what you're saying
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So Netanyahu is in France to commemorate the Rafle du Vel d'Hiv. As usual, Macron said a thing: https://twitter.com/franceinfo/status/886533809709121537
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Kassad posted:So Netanyahu is in France to commemorate the Rafle du Vel d'Hiv. As usual, Macron said a thing: nice, he's an isreal bootlicker. isn't that rarer in europe than the us? can't imagine this and him sucking up to trump is making anyone happy with him edit: well, maybe lepen bros?
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Lightning Lord posted:So Le Pen 2022 is what you're saying Yes, the long term consequences of his policies might also hurt rich people.
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It was already shifty as hell to announce that it wouldn't be "pragmatic" to recognise the Palestinian state right now even though he supposedly supports a two-state solution, but going from that to accusing anti-Zionists of being Nazis is uh, certainly a leap.
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https://twitter.com/TerraXL1/status/886539536028901377 heh
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Palestinians are poor and therefore do not deserve to be considered to be people.
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Lightning Lord posted:So Le Pen 2022 is what you're saying Le Pen won in 2017
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Macron is probably alluding to the dieudonné compatible crowd and their wink wink antisionism and not to imaginary nazis.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Macron is probably alluding to the dieudonné compatible crowd and their wink wink antisionism and not to imaginary nazis. No, sorry, "we will not give in to messages of hatred, to antisionism, for it is the reinvented form of antisemitism" is about as clear as it gets. He's in no way alluding only to certain groups like Dieudonné and his band of assholes. And, I mean, it's not surprising, I just realized he's directly addressing Netanyahu there. Saying what his audience of the moment wants to hear, as usual.
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Kassad posted:Saying what his audience of the moment wants to hear, as usual.
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Toplowtech posted:Yeah but at that game of only saying what people want to hear, sooner or later he may end up creating enough contradictions to gently caress himself up. In that sense he's the living embodiment of capitalism
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unpacked robinhood posted:Macron is probably alluding to the dieudonné compatible crowd and their wink wink antisionism and not to imaginary nazis.
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Who is Dieudonné? Is it the actor who was in a live action Asterix movie that shows up when I google that name? Is he an antisemitic politician too?
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R. Mute posted:The problem is that he's willfully conflating the Dieudonné crowd with anyone else who opposes Israel. just like Netanyahu wants.
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Lightning Lord posted:Who is Dieudonné? Is it the actor who was in a live action Asterix movie that shows up when I google that name? Is he an antisemitic politician too? A French comic who's been associating with the FN and the negationist crowd in the past ten years or so. He's also been close to the catholic fundamentalists and a bunch of other nutters.
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basically our equivalent of the alt-right there was even the innocuous gestures turned into nazi symbol poo poo
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To be fair his innocuous gesture was as close to a Nazi salute as you could get while remaining legally distinct. Although I do remember a few CHUDs at la fête de l'Huma trying to explain to me that it was just a bras d'honneur and I was being hysterical because of the lamestream media a few years back. vOv
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Toplowtech posted:Yeah but at that game of only saying what people want to hear, sooner or later he may end up creating enough contradictions to gently caress himself up. He's unlikely to contradict himself on that point if Trudeau and Merkel are any indication (except in faux "I love muslims" political statements that paper over their foreign policy being a contributor to suffering in the muslim world)
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Dieudonné used to be cool And now he sucks rear end bigly
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lost in postation posted:A French comic who's been associating with the FN and the negationist crowd in the past ten years or so. He's also been close to the catholic fundamentalists and a bunch of other nutters.  Also he is a Mahmoud Ahmadinejad admirer.
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To go back on the army budget cut thing, Bloomberg is owning Macron something fiercequote:Macron has embarked on a spell of budgetary austerity, a move that will hurt growth but is being pursued out of a misplaced desire to meet the European Union's arbitrary 3 percent deficit target. Too bad the article still ends up with the old and busted mantra about civil service and wellfare being "bloated"; but well, Bloomberg.
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quote:If any part of the French government needs to be cut, it's the bloated civil service, and a welfare sector that has grown and grown at the expense of basic government services, such as law and order. But that would be a tall order for a man who came up through the very bureaucracy that needs trimming, and who consistently defends the interests of its ruling class. Macron should fully fund the military, promote growth rather than austerity, and reduce the power of the énarques. "Shrink the civil service! No, not the parts that crack people's skulls and bomb foreign countries!" 
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Kassad posted:"Shrink the civil service! No, not the parts that crack people's skulls and bomb foreign countries!" Are You Being Severed?
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That reference is going right over my head. Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/VGautron/status/887222295596421120?s=09 "Are you leading us towards despotism?" "lol maybe" "Despotisme doux" is referring to ideas laid down by Tocqueville in writings like these. quote:Si, à ce moment critique, un ambitieux habile vient à s’emparer du pouvoir, il trouve que la voie à toutes les usurpations est ouverte.  Edit: So this just happened https://twitter.com/MarkoA_Ramius/status/887575915378638848 Kassad fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Collomb is such an authoritarian piece of poo poo and it's worrying me. The amount of police violence he'll give a pass to will make Cazeneuve and Valls look like goddamn Care Bears.
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Kassad posted:That reference is going right over my head. It's a bad pun based on this British comedy.
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The powers, imposed after attacks in Paris left 130 dead in November 2015, allow security forces to monitor suspects and carry out searches without warrants, place suspects under house arrest, and ban public gatherings. Since the state of emergency was declared, authorities have issued 155 decrees prohibiting public assembly, and imposed 639 measures preventing specific individuals from taking part in demonstrations, Amnesty said. Of those, the majority targeted people protesting labour law reforms. A raft of measures were also brought in to curb demonstrations following this month's presidential elections. "Emergency laws intended to protect the French people from the threat of terrorism are instead being used to restrict their rights to protest peacefully," said Marco Perolini, Amnesty International's researcher on France. "Under the cover of the state of emergency, rights to protest have been stripped away with hundreds of activists, environmentalists, and labour rights campaigners unjustifiably banned from participating in protests."
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tekz posted:The powers, imposed after attacks in Paris left 130 dead in November 2015, allow security forces to monitor suspects and carry out searches without warrants, place suspects under house arrest, and ban public gatherings. Can you link the site when you post stuff like this?
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There were 3000+ warrantless searches in the first few months of the state of emergency, and the vast majority led to jack poo poo (guess the religion of most of the people the police "visited"  ). Cazeneuve even had to remind the prefets to chill out, it was starting to become a little too obvious.Edit: With a source. 3021 searches, 464 offenses found as a result, of which 25 had to do with terrorism. No terrorism charges except in 4 cases. And half of the searches were conducted at night, which is normally not allowed. Kassad fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/jamescheron/status/887243658499588096/photo/1 I swear to god it's funnier than it should be. I mean jesus the level of discussion we are reaching is loving low as gently caress. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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If I were mayor I'd just use a pair of scissors instead of buying a new frame.
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Toplowtech posted:https://twitter.com/jamescheron/status/887243658499588096/photo/1 Just slice the top off with a guillotine to fit in the old format, no one will notice. Granted it won't feel as good as the real thing but it's a start unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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That's actually hilarious.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Just slice the top off with a guillotine to fit in the old format, no one will notice. He made himself this Procrustean bed and now he mist lie in it.
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Trump's take on Macron:quote:HABERMAN: He was very deferential to you. Very. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-transcript.html
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Trump's take on Macron: Macron is a real miracle worker, he's managing to make me like Trump.
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