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Fish and Chimps posted:Yeah, British guards have always been a bit lacklustre. But the British army is hardly behind in having glorious outfits. Kilts! Twice the flags per battalion of any of the other nations! Regimental colours on their facings! Red coats! True, Scots add a lot of extra flavour. And they had some nice hussar regiments.
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This seems like the most appropriate thread for this question, so has anyone played any Blood and Plunder? I am backing the new Kickstarter and was wondering what people's opinions were on it. Just wondering if this will be a cool pirate painting project, or if I should lie to myself and pretend that someone will play a Historical Game with me.
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JcDent posted:What is the difference between flank and center companies? Depends on nationality. But typically they were some kind of specialists, in france each battalion had one flank company of skirmish specialists (voltigeurs) and one of hardened veterans who didn't hesitate to get stuck in (grenadiers). lilljonas fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 21:47
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lilljonas posted:Depends on nationality. But typically they were some kind of specialists, in france each battalion had one flank company of skirmish specialists (voltigeurs) and one of hardened veterans who didn't hesitate to get stuck in (grenadiers). Same with brits. Wasn't uncommon in the smaller nations either.
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lilljonas posted:Depends on nationality. But typically they were some kind of specialists, in france each battalion had one flank company of skirmish specialists (voltigeurs) and one of hardened veterans who didn't hesitate to get stuck in (grenadiers). Ok, those two nouns were very informative. What did the regular line infantry get called?
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DiHK posted:Ok, those two nouns were very informative. What did the regular line infantry get called? Centre company men or, as you said, just 'line'.
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Jul 14, 2017 22:46
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Musketeer, fusilier, a few different things depending on the country.
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Jul 14, 2017 23:34
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Lord_Hambrose posted:This seems like the most appropriate thread for this question, so has anyone played any Blood and Plunder? I am backing the new Kickstarter and was wondering what people's opinions were on it. http://jayswargamingmadness.blogspot.com/?m=1 This guy just got his stuff, he runs a small but active blog I suggest checking in periodically.
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Jul 14, 2017 23:35
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Dirt Worshipper posted:Musketeer, fusilier, a few different things depending on the country. In france you were a fusilier if you were in a centre company of line troops, or chasseur if you were centre company of light infantry.
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Jul 14, 2017 23:37
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lilljonas posted:In france you were a fusilier if you were in a centre company of line troops, or chasseur if you were centre company of light infantry. this completes the puzzle.
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Dirt Worshipper posted:http://jayswargamingmadness.blogspot.com/?m=1 Thanks!
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Wait, so centre companies also had specialists?
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JcDent posted:Wait, so centre companies also had specialists? I wrote a long reply that my browser ate. But basically: A french infantry regiment at the latter part of the period would normally have 2-3 battalions, and a "depot" battalion in training. Each battalion has 6 companies of 140 men each. The four regular companies are called Fusiliers for line and Chasseurs for light infantry. The battalion has two flank companies, one made up of tall veterans suitable for being scary and dig in, and they were called Grenadiers for line and Carabiniers for light infantry. They use neither grenades nor carbines, because why not, it's Napoleonics. The other flank company was made up of short men who were adept at sharp shooting and skirmish tactics, and they were called Voltigeurs for both line and light infantry, because why not, it's Napoleonics. The Voltigeurs would often form a loose skirmish screen in front of the rest of the battalion, but they could also form up to fight in line formation. The Grenadier company was considered so elite that a freshly formed regiment would not be allowed to have them until it had fought in enough campaigns to be considered to have enough battle-hardened veterans for a Grenadier company. On top of these there would be other "specialists", like the sapeurs who were battlefield engineers with big beards and axes. A cavalry regiment was different as it was divided into 2-4 squadrons instead, with each squadron having 2 companies, and the only special company being the 1st 'elite' company, where they put the veterans. When you see pictures of huge army style wargames, what you see as a "unit" moving on the board is usually a battalion. A common way to represent armies is to have around 20-24 men for a normal sized battalion. E; and that's just the French, other nations did it in other ways. For example, Austria also had Grenadiers, but formed them all in big Grenadier battalions, with four companies of Grenadiers in each. There's a lot of variety, and all armies experimented and nobody came out looking exactly the same in 1815 as they did in 1789. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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What about the brits? I "learned" about the companies from looking at victirx boxes.
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JcDent posted:What about the brits? I "learned" about the companies from looking at victirx boxes. I'm much worse at Brits, but afaik they had ten companies per battalion instead of six, but each company being smaller (100 men) than the French companies. Each battalion had one light company and one grenadier company. The big difference to France is that they also had specialist rifle troops who were added to bolster the skirmish ability of the battalions, while the French army relied on the superior skirmish abilities of their Voltigeurs. Other armies did like Britain and attached specilist skirmishers, like the Grenzers of Austria's armies, who were a mix of irregular troops, militia or more or less "hardy frontiermen" who had the required skills for skirmish tactics.
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The Danish army also had companies and jäger companies, organised during the first years of the 19th century, specifically after the French model. I find that this battalion org. is the case for most European countries' armies, and Austria is probably an exception rather than a norm. But please correct me if I'm wrong Incidentally, my sports shooting club is based on a volunteer "corps" (closer to a couple of companies) of jägers from the Napoleonics wars, established in 1801 to buff the skirmish capabilities of the regular army. They participated in battle against the British at Copenhagen in 1807 with official losses being 1 dead and 28 wounded of about 300 soldiers. Fish and Chimps fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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JcDent posted:What about the brits? I "learned" about the companies from looking at victirx boxes. Like liljonas said the Brits have 10 companies in a battalion were two are Flank Companies. Uniformwise they differ from the other Centre Companies in that they have "wings" on their shoulders instead off small puffs. They also have a different coloured shako plume. One is the Grenadier Company which had most of the tall impressive dudes, the gruntiest of the grunts, they generally have white plumes. The other one use the Light Company which is filled with the quick and smart men, and are trained in Light Infantry Tactics (skirmishing). Their shako plumes are green. This gave Wellington a way shittier ratio of skirmishers to line troops so early on the Peninsula he split up the 5th Battalion of the 60th Royal Americans so each brigade had at least one company of rifles. Later he authorized training suitable men in each Centre Company in Light Infantry Tactics, something many enterprising Colonels had already done. These "flankers" went to the skirmish line with the Light Company. There are also Light Infantry regiments , simplified all their companies are Light Companies. But they also have a bugle for Shako plate and use bugles instead of drums. They only have Colours if they are converted from line regiments, regiments raised as Light Infantry (like the 95th of Sharpe fame) don't have any Colours. zokie fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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Does anyone know much about Naval rulesets? Wargamevault has a sale on right now, and I've got Grand Fleets, Naval Thunder, and Victory at Sea on the wishlist after some casual browsing, but some insight from people who have played any would be great. Mostly interested in slugging it out Dreadought style, but anything that works for WW2 is cool as well.
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NTRabbit posted:Does anyone know much about Naval rulesets? Wargamevault has a sale on right now, and I've got Grand Fleets, Naval Thunder, and Victory at Sea on the wishlist after some casual browsing, but some insight from people who have played any would be great. Mostly interested in slugging it out Dreadought style, but anything that works for WW2 is cool as well. Naval Thunder is a good beer n pretzels game Simple but fun Get Seekrieg
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Phi230 posted:Naval Thunder is a good beer n pretzels game Seekrieg isn't on WGV though sadly. And apparently has no digital option at all, $78.95 for the print edition plus $55.60 for the cheapest shipping option, blimey.
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NTRabbit posted:Seekrieg isn't on WGV though sadly. And apparently has no digital option at all, $78.95 for the print edition plus $55.60 for the cheapest shipping option, blimey. Seekrieg 4 is free but you gotta print it yourself
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Did the Ethiopians have any cool tactical guerrilla engagements with the Itallians or was it just a monstrous one sided war crime in every respect? If the former does BA have a campaign book for it?
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Did the Ethiopians have any cool tactical guerrilla engagements with the Itallians or was it just a monstrous one sided war crime in every respect? "Tactical guerilla engagements" hell, the Christmas offensive captured dozens of field guns and tanks (L3s, granted), destroyed a brigade, caused mutinies among the colonial troops, killed and captured 3-4000 men, and pushed the Italians back 12 miles. It was a major reason that permission to use gas was given.
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spectralent posted:"Tactical guerilla engagements" hell, the Christmas offensive captured dozens of field guns and tanks (L3s, granted), destroyed a brigade, caused mutinies among the colonial troops, killed and captured 3-4000 men, and pushed the Italians back 12 miles. Cool. As you can imagine my knowledge of that part of the war is incredibly high level mushy "the Itallians used gas and were super unchill." Maybe my ignorant rear end should read a book.
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I had downloaded a fan supplement for Ethiopians once. Have you ever wanted to paint spears for BA? Then seek it out.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Cool. As you can imagine my knowledge of that part of the war is incredibly high level mushy "the Itallians used gas and were super unchill." In fairness it all goes downhill from there. Though it does give context to their war crimes and unchillness; not only was a colonial conquest resisting, it did well. It's humiliating to get beaten but doubly so when you think the people doing it are subhuman (and probably triply so when they beat you with looney-toons style tactics like pushing rocks in the way of mountain passes to "encircle" tank columns). And equally I only learned about it when I was looking for times people knocked out tanks that they couldn't penetrate 
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Did the Ethiopians have any cool tactical guerrilla engagements with the Itallians or was it just a monstrous one sided war crime in every respect?
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 The world's slowest Napoleonics project continues Working and postgraduate study has a habit of eating all of my hobby time.
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Endman posted:
Better slow than never! I just got my 28mm plastic Napoleonics from HäT. They look... better than I feared? Very slim compared to Warlord and Perry, but not visibly shorter. Only letdown at first look is the faces, which look a bit less detailed in the bare plastic. I'll have to wait until I've painted a few before I give a verdict, but at £10 for 32 figures, it's pretty cheap for rank-and-file.
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I have yet to find a truly excellent Naval Miniatures game
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Phi230 posted:I have yet to find a truly excellent Naval Miniatures game Same. I've found a couple that seem like they might be interesting, but trying to tread the line between playability and accuracy is difficult. I want to care about the weather gage, but I sure as hell don't want to worry about the tension on the forestay.
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Signal posted:Same. I've found a couple that seem like they might be interesting, but trying to tread the line between playability and accuracy is difficult. I want to care about the weather gage, but I sure as hell don't want to worry about the tension on the forestay. This plus with later era games like Seekrieg or Naval Thunder you need computer programs to play them
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Dirt Worshipper posted:We need a Man o War historicals because that game is great Trafagar was a pretty fun GW-style game.
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Speaking of Gamecraft Minis, they have a 15% off Warlord sale today.
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Phi230 posted:I have yet to find a truly excellent Naval Miniatures game Have you tried the other two I listed, Grand Fleets or Victory at Sea? e: The sale was due to end in 90 minutes, so I grabbed the complete Victory at Sea bundle at what amounted to 50% off buying the 4 books one at a time not on sale, and grabbed the third edition of Grand Fleets. Since I don't think anyone else has tried them, I'll give it a go. I also downloaded all the Seekrieg 4 files for good measure. Now, what scale on the minis? Topside minis standard is 1/1800, and I already got Konigsberg as a free demo ship at that scale, but they've also just started offering 1/2400 and 1/3000, albeit without bases. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Huh, Rubicon have released an Easy Eight! Nice. When did that happen? I should probably finish my Commando force so I can start on my armoured doughs.
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