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Surprisingly Dope posted:The powers in Hunter x Hunter are often random, and not really fully thought out in terms of the explained power system. I'd guess Togashi thinks of a power first then tries to fit it into a type rather then the other way around. All of these endless arguments trying to figure out exactly what is what are pretty pointless. Instead, try endlessly arguing whether 99 or 11 are the better adaption. The cheetah guy created an enclosed space with Savannah wallpapers and a giant indestructible sand clock to play a game of tag in. Then he materialized a crossbow, which is a completely different thing, and he was an idiot. If that doesn't show that Nen is just a convenient way to have stand powers in your story then I don't know what it.
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Jul 16, 2017 18:53
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Yeah but the crossbow was an useless power, were the Chimera Ants taught properly by someone like Wing/Biscuit did with Gon/Killua? I can't remember
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Plus, at the end of the day, he got unceremoniously chumped by Killua's dad in a manner most anti-climatic.
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frajaq posted:Yeah but the crossbow was an useless power, were the Chimera Ants taught properly by someone like Wing/Biscuit did with Gon/Killua? I can't remember Pretty sure they weren't. They got an info-dump on nen via Pokkles brain and then they all just got nen-punched. Also I think Pouf could give people powers or something? Cheetu mentions it but I don't think they actually show it.
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Jul 16, 2017 19:06
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Nephthys posted:Pretty sure they weren't. They got an info-dump on nen via Pokkles brain and then they all just got nen-punched. Leol tells Cheetu to go get a power from Pouf, and later Cheetu mentions getting one from him, yeah. Judging from how Cheetu's power was obviously designed by him, being as dumb as it was, Pouf's power may have been more of a catalyst thing than him outright giving powers, but, well, we don't really know, since we never saw it in action. And yeah, most of their Nen knowledge came from Pitou extracting the information from Pokkle's brain and them learning the rest from there. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 19:32
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The Ants were granted Nen either by being born after the Queen ate Hunters, or from a baptism. In Rammot's case, he gained Nen through getting the poo poo kicked out of him the first time he met Kite, Gon, and Killua, but taught himself how to control Nen. trucutru posted:The cheetah guy created an enclosed space with Savannah wallpapers and a giant indestructible sand clock to play a game of tag in. Then he materialized a crossbow, which is a completely different thing, and he was an idiot. If that doesn't show that Nen is just a convenient way to have stand powers in your story then I don't know what it. Yes, Cheetu was a complete loving idiot, which is why his first power (Tag) was ill thought out, and his second was utterly inferior to his own physical abilities. He was abruptly given Nen control, and had almost no training (like Pouf was gonna be the best teacher), so he was going with things that sounded good to his stupid self. Cheetuh was so dumb, that even he didn't know what would happen if time ran out in Tag's hourglass. And he was a Conjurer, which covers both the creation of the sealed space and the creation of a crossbow (which he came up with on the spot after Morel taunted him for being an idiot and not thinking about Tag's rules). Nothing says that you can only conjure one thing.
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Silver2195 posted:99 makes some subtle changes to characterization that you sort of have to unlearn, and also adds a few scenes that don't make much sense. 99 handles the Hunter Exam arc better overall, though; 11 cuts out part of the cooking test, adds that terrible flower petals bit, and gets the tone wrong in places. Where 99 really shines is atmosphere; it makes things feel really tense. Also, Good Morning is better than Departure. The old one had that sweet Nen aura sound too.
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Schubalts posted:And he was a Conjurer, which covers both the creation of the sealed space and the creation of a crossbow (which he came up with on the spot after Morel taunted him for being an idiot and not thinking about Tag's rules). Nothing says that you can only conjure one thing. And what about the mechanics and the punishment (whatever that was) for the game of tag. They have nothing to do with conjuring. The point I'm trying to make is that I doubt Togashi really cares that much about the consistency of the nen schools, and instead goes with whatever is cooler. Rubber and gum certainly do all sorts of cute poo poo. trucutru fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 19:52
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trucutru posted:And what about the mechanics and the punishment (whatever that was) for the game of tag. They have nothing to do with conjuring. The point I'm trying to make is that I doubt Togashi really cares that much about the consistency of the nen schools, and instead goes with whatever is cooler. Rubber and gum certainly do all sorts of cute poo poo. Those are restrictions and conditions. Which we already knew about. All Conjurers tend to put effects on what they summon. Most Nen Users do. Cheetu put the condition that if his opponent could not catch him in the time limit then something would happen to them. And he made the restriction that if he was ever caught he could no longer use the ability MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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trucutru posted:And what about the mechanics and the punishment (whatever that was) for the game of tag. They have nothing to do with conjuring. The point I'm trying to make is that I doubt Togashi really cares that much about the consistency of the nen schools, and instead goes with whatever is cooler. Rubber and gum certainly do all sorts of cute poo poo. Hatusu aren't 100% all in one category, though governing the exact rules of a conjured object would absolutely fall under conjuration or manipulation. Just look at Gon's Jajanken. It combines enhancing with emission. Or even your example of Bungee Gum. It's emission and manipulation, with Hisoka changing the properties of his aura. Every Hatsu, other than Cheetu's, that we have seen has been purposefully designed and built from the ground up by its creator, who fully controls and knows everything it's capable of, using multiple schools of Nen for the more complex ones.
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Schubalts posted:Hatusu aren't 100% all in one category, though governing the exact rules of a conjured object would absolutely fall under conjuration or manipulation. Just look at Gon's Jajanken. It combines enhancing with emission. Or even your example of Bungee Gum. It's emission and manipulation, with Hisoka changing the properties of his aura. So, basically, since they can use more than one school, they can be anything, right? So the school doesn't really matter and it's kind of silly to argue about them.
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Jul 16, 2017 20:42
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trucutru posted:So, basically, since they can use more than one school, they can be anything, right? So the school doesn't really matter and it's kind of silly to argue about them.
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Jul 16, 2017 20:47
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Schubalts posted:Hatusu aren't 100% all in one category, though governing the exact rules of a conjured object would absolutely fall under conjuration or manipulation. Just look at Gon's Jajanken. It combines enhancing with emission. Or even your example of Bungee Gum. It's emission and manipulation, with Hisoka changing the properties of his aura. Incorrect here. Bungee Gum is pure Transmutation. No Manipulation or Emission. Conditions and Restrictions can just give abilities more unique attributes. Jajanken Rock is pure enhancement, Jajanken Paper is Enhancement and Emission, and Jajanken Scissors is Enhancement and Transmutation. (He is giving his aura the properties of a blade.)
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trucutru posted:So, basically, since they can use more than one school, they can be anything, right? So the school doesn't really matter and it's kind of silly to argue about them. The schools really only matter if we start thinking about cases like Kastro, where he trained obsessively with conjuration, despite being "weak" at it. So yea, the schools themselves are basically there to give a more detailed foundation to Nen. MonsterEnvy posted:Incorrect here. Bungee Gum is pure Transmutation. No Manipulation or Emission. I got transmutation mixed up with manipulation.  But doesn't Bungee Gum still use emission, since Hisoka can leave Gum lying around?
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Jul 16, 2017 21:26
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Schubalts posted:The schools really only matter if we start thinking about cases like Kastro, where he trained obsessively with conjuration, despite being "weak" at it. So yea, the schools themselves are basically there to give a more detailed foundation to Nen. He can use it as a secondary effect but it's not part of the main ability. He can separate it from himself and use some emission skills to keep it going. Though the ones he separates from himself will fade away quicker then when he keeps it connected.
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trucutru posted:And what about the mechanics and the punishment (whatever that was) for the game of tag. They have nothing to do with conjuring. The point I'm trying to make is that I doubt Togashi really cares that much about the consistency of the nen schools, and instead goes with whatever is cooler. Rubber and gum certainly do all sorts of cute poo poo. Well, of Kurapika's chains, the Dowsing Chain, at least, is pure Conjuration, and it has weird effects too. The Healing Chain requires Enhancement, Judgment Manipulation, etc. but those are because those things are explicitly other categories.
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Roland Jones posted:Well, of Kurapika's chains, the Dowsing Chain, at least, is pure Conjuration, and it has weird effects too. The Healing Chain requires Enhancement, Judgment Manipulation, etc. but those are because those things are explicitly other categories. The point is that Togashi is a) a smart writer, that has made b) a system that allows almost anything to happen while still looking consistent, and who c) knows when to ignore it, because a)
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Roland Jones posted:Well, of Kurapika's chains, the Dowsing Chain, at least, is pure Conjuration, and it has weird effects too. The Healing Chain requires Enhancement, Judgment Manipulation, etc. but those are because those things are explicitly other categories. As I just mentioned Conditions and Restrictions can allow you to do weird things. Also Judgement Chain does not need Manipulation.
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Guys, I think nen is real. I've seen some poo poo.
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i think that when the ants talked about going to pouf to get a nen power they were just going to him for advice. like, pouf was so smart and awesome that he could immediately determine an appropriate hatsu and show you how to develop it
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Law Cheetah posted:i think that when the ants talked about going to pouf to get a nen power they were just going to him for advice. like, pouf was so smart and awesome that he could immediately determine an appropriate hatsu and show you how to develop it Appearntly he also had an ability that helped someone in developing a power quickly.
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Jul 17, 2017 07:40
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Have any of you guys tried the water divination test? Be honest
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Have any of you guys tried the water divination test? Be honest Yes. I'm a specialist, you? They did have a replica of the glass which I thought was neat.
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i thought i was a transmuter but it turns out i was using tea leaves
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Sarcophallus posted:I assume it's the scarlet eyes, not specifically ET that's doing it; and I'd guess that it's a tribal knowledge kind of thing. Would be loving hilarious if he's operating under the assumption that he's got this time limit, does all this scheming to try to minimize ET use, and then it turns out it's just an old wives tale.
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Schubalts posted:
What about Neon's? EDIT: My hatsu is double posting
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Tunicate posted:Would be loving hilarious if he's operating under the assumption that he's got this time limit, does all this scheming to try to minimize ET use, and then it turns out it's just an old wives tale. Kurapika put that restriction on ET himself. If he somehow met another survivor, they would not have all of the boosts that the eyes give to him, nor would they be potentially shortening their life. Tunicate posted:What about Neon's? Forgot that that counts as a Hatsu, but she also had specific rules she had to follow in order to tell someone's fortune and she knew how it worked ("ghost buddy writes fortunes with my hand if I fulfill these conditions, and nothing happens if I don't"), just not that it was Nen. Cheetu and Neon, then. Would Komugi's always improving skill at Gungi be considered a Hatsu?
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Schubalts posted:Cheetu and Neon, then. Would Komugi's always improving skill at Gungi be considered a Hatsu?
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The braincontrolling poo poo pitou used also seemed innate, as was the king's 'eat folks and get their full power and hatsu'. Netero's martial arts school is a systematization that allows for more controllability than developing nen spontaneously, but with the drawback of being able to seriously gently caress up your development if you go against your natural inclinations.
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Tunicate posted:The braincontrolling poo poo pitou used also seemed innate, as was the king's 'eat folks and get their full power and hatsu'. No Pitou outright developed her powers. We even see Pitou make Dr Blythe on screen. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 21:18
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MonsterEnvy posted:No Pitou outright devolved her powers. We even see Pitou make Dr Blythe on screen. Yeah but she out the gate started brain fuckery on the arrow guy.
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Jul 17, 2017 21:45
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she read books about human biology and was instantly able to apply it to puppet a dude via his exposed brain. the royal guard were ridiculous even without nen.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:she read books about human biology and was instantly able to apply it to puppet a dude via his exposed brain. the royal guard were ridiculous even without nen. Didn't she destroy Kite while barely even using Nen?
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Oh yeah speaking about Chimera Ants did they ever explain what the gently caress exactly happened with the Queen, both the fact that she was injured by something in the beginning and the fact that she was way bigger as a Chimera Ant than she was supposed to be? Maybe when I read that arc the translation was poo poo because it wasn't immediately clear
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Schubalts posted:Didn't she destroy Kite while barely even using Nen?
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frajaq posted:Oh yeah speaking about Chimera Ants did they ever explain what the gently caress exactly happened with the Queen, both the fact that she was injured by something in the beginning and the fact that she was way bigger as a Chimera Ant than she was supposed to be? Maybe when I read that arc the translation was poo poo because it wasn't immediately clear She was a very large one from the Dark Continent. Presumably one of her sires ate human before, allowing them to give birth to a human size and intelligence Queen. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:She was very large one from the Dark Continent. Presumably one of her sires ate human before, allowing them to give birth to a human sized and intelligence Queen. Yeah, this. She herself speculates that she may have human DNA in her already. As for the injury, well, yeah, "Dark Continent" is probably the best explanation. Same thing that tossed her into the ocean so she washed up on the shore of the NGE.
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Wark Say posted:Pitou was probably (slightly) using Ren. She was using so much Ren that the trio could feel it from miles and miles away.
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