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etalian posted:

Did he brag about his shameful lime free Guac recipe?

no, he's a limey

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:10

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logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

This country is a goddamned mess

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:14

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Your island-superiority has clearly gotten to your heads, time to fill in the English channel

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:15

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

Make Doggerland Land Again

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:18

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Peel posted:

at the utter nadir of corbyn's popularity he was still more popular than blair lol

was blair ever actually popular

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:27

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

nopantsjack posted:

Do you think he knows? Like do his handlers or whatever tell him? It seems being less regarded than Trump would be particularly hurtful to Blair.

It's blatantly obvious he went mad after Iraq because if Iraq was as bad as everyone but him admits he is going to hell for sure and he's a pretty strong believer, so he's had to fool himself into thinking at least history will vindicate him.

What a loving dogs oval office.

last time corbyn called him up for war crimes he was on the verge of a mental breakdown the entire time so yes he knows

he desperately wants to be validated

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:28

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

oliwan posted:

Brexit followed by Corbyn in No 10 would put UK flat on its back – Tony Blair

Former Labour prime minister issues warning in lengthy article published by his own political institute

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/15/brexit-followed-by-corbyn-put-uk-flat-on-back-tony-blair

also hilarious: a tory talking point is about how labour doesn't work because it's the party of tony blair who sucks

so blair going anti corbyn isn't exactly damaging

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:31

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

oliwan posted:

Brexit followed by Corbyn in No 10 would put UK flat on its back – Tony Blair

Former Labour prime minister issues warning in lengthy article published by his own political institute

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/15/brexit-followed-by-corbyn-put-uk-flat-on-back-tony-blair

# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:53

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Corbyn hosed Blair's wife,

not that one, the Labour Party...duh!!!

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:17

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/886504412667150338

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:28

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Lol

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:31

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Jose posted:

Lol

they had a racist costume party but his time no royals were present

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:33

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Further pics of this:

https://twitter.com/Rigsby759458551/status/886539725946925056

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:35

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

jBrereton posted:

Further pics of this:

https://twitter.com/Rigsby759458551/status/886539725946925056

orange is a bad color

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:39

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

love a strong and stable coalition with Nazi cosplayers

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:51

UrbicaMortis: Feb 16, 2012; Hmm, how shall I post today?

Yinlock posted:

was blair ever actually popular

Blair was insanely popular back when he first took office and was insanely unpopular by the time he left office. Theresa May's time in office has basically been a blair speedrun.

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:52

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Now let's make 1 thing extremely clear.

Those are not DUP voters (although they would vote for them if they ran in Glasgow)

# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:53

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

At the beginning, his government was very popular, seemed to promise a new, modern approach to things, and was active in driving the Good Friday Agreement forward among other things. Then he went all in on the worst parts of late Clintonian triangulation and W's warmongering and poo poo all over his earlier successes.

# ? Jul 16, 2017 23:00

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Blair was definitely seen as Good until the Iraq War and did some good things afterwards such as funding the NHS and not vocally insulting public sector workers from a position of life-changing superiority. Nice one.

However nobody here wanted the Iraq War, millions marched against it, and when it went from the farcically inept invasion to a really lovely civil war bit while he tried to claim it was a Good Idea still, he'd Had His Chips as we say in the hood.

# ? Jul 16, 2017 23:06

Peel: Dec 3, 2007

blair would have at least a 'complex' legacy if it weren't for the war imo, a clintonian position where he's seen fairly well by the public at large even if the left complains

the war he went all-in on, forced through over cabinet resignations and literally 2% of the country marching in the streets against it, and it was an utter criminal farce and disaster

he made it the defining moment of his career, and lo his career was indeed defined by it

# ? Jul 17, 2017 00:54

navyjack: Jul 15, 2006

etalian posted:

they had a racist costume party but his time no royals were present

So, it doesn't count then, right? I don't get all your Limey traditions.

Also, did I hear earlier that Jezza is now a woman? :ohdear:

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# ? Jul 17, 2017 02:52

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

The creepiest part of the Iraq war is that both Bush and Blair were - according to people close to them - privately driven to invade Iraq thanks to their intense religious convictions. There are larger forces that were driving the war but it probably didn't help that the two principal leaders involved in the conflict both became convinced that they were enacting the literal will of God.

Then again, Blair's old school Christianity motivating him to become a war criminal might be the creepiest part of his beliefs, but his insane New Age nuttery is the funniest:

I'm quotin this whole thing cause god drat:

The Guardian posted:

Ev'rybody must get stones

Nick Cohen

Sunday 8 December 2002 14.55 GMT

The most accessible entrance into the Blairs' spirit world of paganism, spiritualism, pseudo-science and quackery is through a chat with Cherie's 'homeopathic dowser healer' - one Jack Temple, aged 86. Temple is the possessor of a 'Neolithic stone circle', which, he assured me, captures the healing energies of the stars, sun and moon and holds them for the benefit of his paying customers. He discovered the 'magic' stones in Pembrokeshire and transported them in two lorries to his home in Pyrford, near Woking, Surrey.

'I'm sorry,' I interrupted. 'The local authority and the National Trust allowed you to run off with an ancient stone circle?'

'The stones weren't in a circle,' he explained. 'They had been cleared so the field could be worked. They were dumped in a ditch and a farmer sold them to me.'

'I see. A farmer said a load of old rubble was once a Stone Age religious site and you paid ready money to get your hands on it. How did you know the stones were genuine stones, so to speak?'

An irritated note entered Temple's voice. 'I dowsed them with my magic pendulum, of course. I made the amazing discovery that each of the 16 stones relieved stress in different parts of the body - the muscles, the brain and so on.' After he moved the stones to Surrey, Temple went to the garden centre and used his pendulum to divine the aura of the herb and alpines section. The trial of the plants was merciless. He found only wild strawberries had the strength to 'contain nature's energy generated by the stone circle'.

Temple duly planted his circle with strawberries. He will sell you a small packet of their dried leaves for �10 (plus �1 p&p). It's a bargain, as Cherie Blair knows. Temple said in his autobiography Medicine Man : 'I believe I've helped the lame to walk, the barren to conceive, and the sad to smile. I've been able to reflate the lungs of children previously condemned to a life constricted by asthma. I've even seen the bald pates of middle-aged and elderly men begin to spring hair growth again.'

Don't mock him. Fergie and, inevitably, the late Princess Di have acclaimed him as a healing genius. Temple is happy to allow everyone to share the inner harmony of royalty and the Blairs. For �85 he will sell you a pile of stones and instructions on how to lay them out in the garden. (This time he doesn't mention the cost of the post and packing, which I suspect will be steep.)

Cherie Blair was introduced to the doddering dowser by Sylvia and Carole Caplin. Sylvia, 67, is a former ballet dancer turned spiritualist. On 11 November, the Daily Mail published an extraordinary piece. According to a former client, Caplin Senior 'can bring the light down' and open channels with the dead. Mrs Blair regularly visits the mystic's �500,000 house in a gated park in Dorking. It, too, is filled with stones. 'There was a particularly active period in the summer when Sylvia was channelling for Cherie over two or three times a week, with almost daily contact between them,' the Mail reported. 'There were times when Cherie's faxes ran to 10 pages.'

This can't possibly be true, I thought. I phoned Downing Street and asked if they denied the story. The press officer promised to call back, but never did. I checked if the Mail had received a complaint. The paper hadn't heard a squeak of protest. I think we can take the silence as a confirmation.

Caplin's daughter is the former soft-porn model who became Mrs and Mr Blair's style guru and confidante in 1994. She has been a lady in waiting at the New Labour court since. Her boyfriend is Peter Foster, an Australian fraudster with a criminal record that goes back to 1983. After a week of stupendous lies, the Blairs admitted Foster had somehow secured them two flats in Bristol at �69,000 off the market price - or about three times the annual pay of a fire officer.

The mother is as alarming as her daughter's crooked lover. Cherie evidently believes Caplin senior is in touch with the other side, and Caplin may well believe she can natter with the dead herself. None of her clients has suggested she played on their fear and credulity. But, so what? Whether she is a sincere fool or a sly fraud doesn't matter. A con's a con whatever the mental state of the con woman. What spiritualists say is a lie whether they know it or not.

Modern spiritualism began in 1848 when two sisters from New York State announced that they had received coded tapping messages from the ghost of a murdered peddler. The scam was a great success. For 40 years Margaret and Katherine Fox made a good living from a fraud which inspired mediums the world over. At the end of their lives the Foxes admitted that the knocking sounds seance-goers had heard were made by Margaret - who had mastered the knack of snapping her toes. Their belated honesty did no good and spiritualism continued to flourish.

Given its history, why does Cherie believe it? Well she is a Catholic and her husband is an Anglo-Catholic, and if you can believe that wine and a wafer are the blood and body of Christ you can believe anything. Or, indeed, everything. Until now, there has been an averting of well-bred eyes from the superstitions of our creepy PM and his gullible wife.

A year ago, the Times printed the following account of what they did on their summer holidays at the luxurious Maroma Hotel on Mexico's Caribbean coast. The Blairs visited a 'Temazcal', a steam bath enclosed in a brick pyramid. It was dusk and they had stripped down to their swimming costumes. Inside, they met Nancy Aguilar, a new-age therapist. She told them that the pyramid was a Mayan womb in which they would be reborn. The Blairs saw the shapes of animals in the steam and experienced 'inner-feelings and visions'. They smeared each other with melon, papaya and mud from the jungle, and then let out a primal scream of purifying agony. No one followed-up the Times's scoop - deference is not as dead as some people would have you think.

When the Blairs moved into Downing Street, a feng shui expert rearranged the furniture at Number 10. Cherie wears a 'magic pendant' known as the BioElectric Shield, which is filled with 'a matrix of specially cut quartz crystals' that surround the wearer with 'a cocoon of energy' and ward off evil forces. (It was given to her by Hillary Clinton, another political spouse who combines the characteristic Third Way vices of sharp prac tice and bone-headedness.) Then there have been inflatable Flowtron trousers, auricular therapy and acupuncture pins in the ear.

New Age Labour has spilled out of Downing Street and blighted public policy. In January 1999, for instance, the Government recruited a feng shui consultant, Renuka Wickmaratne, to discover a magical way to improve inner-city estates without raising taxes.

'Red and orange flowers would reduce crime,' she concluded, 'and introducing a water feature would reduce poverty. I was brought up with this ancient knowledge.' Three years later the Government announced that, for the first time since the creation of the NHS, 'alternative' remedies could be granted the same status as conventional treatments, despite the absence of evidence that they might cure the sick. According to the Sunday Times, 'The inclusion of Indian ayurvedic medicine, a preventative approach to healing using diet, yoga and meditation, is thought to have been influenced by Cherie Blair's interest in alternative therapy.'

The Blairs' interest, along with that of Di and Fergie (in mystics as well as allegedly neolithic circles), of Prince Phillip (a subscriber to Flying Saucer Review since the magazine began publication in the mid-1950s) and of Margaret Thatcher (in electro-shock bath therapy), show that superstition isn't always the preserve of the hopeless poor. It can appeal to the feeble-minded everywhere, from the 'anarcho-primitives' of the anti-capitalist movement to the supposedly tough Tories who turn from the expos�s of the Blairs at the front of the Mail to friendly discussions of how the Bible Code predicted whatever happened last week at the back.

Nothing worth having can come from their babblings, and not only because 10 Downing Street is beginning to look like a tsar's court filled with shamans and holy-rolling petty criminals.

At the heart of New Age crankiness is a deep selfishness. The treatments favoured by the Blairs and so many from their natural constituency in the upper-middle class promise to release the true self, heal the abused self, pamper the stressed self and reassure the doubting self that deep down inside there is good. Others don't get a look in.

The only possible benefit is that at least I will stop hearing Labour MPs saying that Cherie will keep Tony's feet on the ground and make him stick to socialist principles. What's left of the Labour movement is going to have to face the weirdness of its leading couple without illusion and, I hope, purify itself by colonically irrigating the Blairs out of the system.

Suddenly a lot of Blair's tone deafness or his inability to comprehend just how repulsive he is comes into clearer focus: the man is genuinely unhinged.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:03

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/13sarahmurphy/status/886853958353997825

# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:05

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

When Blair started his second term he basically got all hosed up realising that he didn't actually have a cause or anything he believed in. The love from the daddy yanks and his creeping messiah complex basically broke his brain after 9/11 and the country got dragged along for the Blair's Breakdown ride.

He was always a nasty egomaniac piece of work though.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:07

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more like BOLLOCKnese

The line from liberals in the Labour party is always that "Oh, well New Labour did a lot of good, are you just going to discount that?" The counterpoint being that there is no indication that Labour only won *because* of Blair (a dead donkey with a red rosette could have won in 1997) or that New Labour's methods were the only political option available to fix the NHS etc.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:27

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

the government have decided the way to stop kids accessing porn is to make all porn sites require credit card details to be accessed :thunk:

# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:31

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Finally a common sense proposal.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:45

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Literally every good thing New Labour did was stuff the old lefty Labour base had campaigned for and approved of. The only positive thing New Labour brought to the table was the electability and it's the most overstated and overemphasised thing in modern british political history.

The only electoral difference New Labour made was that it ran up the score, it undeniably increased the Labour majority a decent wodge but who gives a gently caress, if you win you win. The cost of that difference was losing the mass membership, technocrat leaders promoted way above their ability, the death of the activist base, Labour councillors being chosen that were/are genuinely pieces of poo poo, reducing voter turnout because the parties actually were all the same, a massive gift to the Lib Dems and UKIP as a presumptive alternative and an isolationist, monarchial PM doing dumb poo poo like going to war with no plan to clean up the mess.

New Labour is 100% a massive, dangerous gently caress up that's already done irreparable damage to the UK, it's walking corpse and the professionalised liberal culture surrounding it like flies honestly need to get gone.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 12:00

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Vitamin P posted:

The only electoral difference New Labour made was that it ran up the score, it undeniably increased the Labour majority a decent wodge but who gives a gently caress, if you win you win.

Lot of people assumed Kinnock would win in 92 and he didn't. I'd rather "run up the score" than not have a Labour government at all.

I'd also blame the death of the activist base in the 1990s on the relatively recent death of the USSR and inevitable left-wing soul searching after that, more than Tony Blair.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 12:07

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

jBrereton posted:

Lot of people assumed Kinnock would win in 92 and he didn't. I'd rather "run up the score" than not have a Labour government at all.

I'd also blame the death of the activist base in the 1990s on the relatively recent death of the USSR and inevitable left-wing soul searching after that, more than Tony Blair.

Yes but you are Tony Blair.

Confirm/deny?

# ? Jul 17, 2017 14:17

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Vitamin P posted:

Literally every good thing New Labour did was stuff the old lefty Labour base had campaigned for and approved of. The only positive thing New Labour brought to the table was the electability and it's the most overstated and overemphasised thing in modern british political history.

The only electoral difference New Labour made was that it ran up the score, it undeniably increased the Labour majority a decent wodge but who gives a gently caress, if you win you win. The cost of that difference was losing the mass membership, technocrat leaders promoted way above their ability, the death of the activist base, Labour councillors being chosen that were/are genuinely pieces of poo poo, reducing voter turnout because the parties actually were all the same, a massive gift to the Lib Dems and UKIP as a presumptive alternative and an isolationist, monarchial PM doing dumb poo poo like going to war with no plan to clean up the mess.

I wonder if the overemphasis on the success of New Labour is tied to the success of the Conservatives under Thatcher, much in the same way the Democrats were scarred by the success of Reagan for a decade. The relative failure of Labour and the Democrats during those years allowed for new politicians with new political ideas - third way politics in this case - to roll in and claim that they succeeded because of these new ideas, not in spite of them.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 14:59

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

I think the centrist snake oil strategy is really good for winning a few elections, but once people have seen through it you really need to change tack because they aren't going to swallow that bullshit again.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 18:18

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Third way centrism was also very attuned to the particular historical moment. People still remembered the high inflation of the 1970s, labour militancy was seen as having deadlocked the economy, actually existing socialist economies were visibly failing or converting to capitalism and radical academics were abandoning Marxism in favour of Foucault, Butler and post-modernism. Whether or not you approve of the neoliberal policy toolkit that was used to "fix" these problems there was some reason that a large part of the public was open to electing third way governments.

What's really contemptible is that third wayers who lack any historical perspective and seem to think that Blairism or Clintonism was some kind of timeless strategy that serious politicians must embrace. Much in the way it's always 1917 for a Trot, for a centrist it's always 1996.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:22

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

tony blair

more like

tory blair

# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:24

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Helsing posted:

Third way centrism was also very attuned to the particular historical moment. People still remembered the high inflation of the 1970s, labour militancy was seen as having deadlocked the economy, actually existing socialist economies were visibly failing or converting to capitalism and radical academics were abandoning Marxism in favour of Foucault, Butler and post-modernism. Whether or not you approve of the neoliberal policy toolkit that was used to "fix" these problems there was some reason that a large part of the public was open to electing third way governments.

What's really contemptible is that third wayers who lack any historical perspective and seem to think that Blairism or Clintonism was some kind of timeless strategy that serious politicians must embrace. Much in the way it's always 1917 for a Trot, for a centrist it's always 1996.

drat, i succumbed to the same presentism described here in my previous post :negative:

# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:29

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

logikv9 posted:

Your island-superiority has clearly gotten to your heads, time to fill in the English channel

they're suffering from a classic case of island madness

# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:30

babypolis: Nov 4, 2009

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I think the centrist snake oil strategy is really good for winning a few elections, but once people have seen through it you really need to change tack because they aren't going to swallow that bullshit again.

yeah pretty much. no one is getting fooled by this empty ideology again

# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:56

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

babypolis posted:

yeah pretty much. no one is getting fooled by this empty ideology again

Well, not for some time at least.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:57

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Digiwizzard: Dec 23, 2003; Pork Pro

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I think the centrist snake oil strategy is really good for winning a few elections, but once people have seen through it you really need to change tack because they aren't going to swallow that bullshit again.

Pretty much. Neoliberalism can function in the short term when you still have an economy to offshore and a middle class to placate with credit and cheap goods and promises they can be retrained into comfy office jobs. Now there's no middle class, the entire economy is a speculative bubble that doesn't produce anything, and everyone is up to their ears in debt with no prospects. Oops.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 22:02

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