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etalian posted:Did he brag about his shameful lime free Guac recipe? no, he's a limey
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:10 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 01:26 |
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This country is a goddamned mess
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:14 |
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Your island-superiority has clearly gotten to your heads, time to fill in the English channel
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:15 |
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Make Doggerland Land Again
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:18 |
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Peel posted:at the utter nadir of corbyn's popularity he was still more popular than blair lol was blair ever actually popular
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:27 |
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nopantsjack posted:Do you think he knows? Like do his handlers or whatever tell him? It seems being less regarded than Trump would be particularly hurtful to Blair. last time corbyn called him up for war crimes he was on the verge of a mental breakdown the entire time so yes he knows he desperately wants to be validated
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:28 |
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oliwan posted:Brexit followed by Corbyn in No 10 would put UK flat on its back – Tony Blair also hilarious: a tory talking point is about how labour doesn't work because it's the party of tony blair who sucks so blair going anti corbyn isn't exactly damaging
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:31 |
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oliwan posted:Brexit followed by Corbyn in No 10 would put UK flat on its back – Tony Blair
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 21:53 |
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Corbyn hosed Blair's wife, not that one, the Labour Party...duh!!!
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:17 |
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https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/886504412667150338
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:28 |
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Lol
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:31 |
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Jose posted:Lol they had a racist costume party but his time no royals were present
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:33 |
Further pics of this: https://twitter.com/Rigsby759458551/status/886539725946925056
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:35 |
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jBrereton posted:Further pics of this: orange is a bad color
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:39 |
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love a strong and stable coalition with Nazi cosplayers
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:51 |
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Yinlock posted:was blair ever actually popular Blair was insanely popular back when he first took office and was insanely unpopular by the time he left office. Theresa May's time in office has basically been a blair speedrun.
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:52 |
Now let's make 1 thing extremely clear. Those are not DUP voters (although they would vote for them if they ran in Glasgow)
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 22:53 |
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Yinlock posted:was blair ever actually popular At the beginning, his government was very popular, seemed to promise a new, modern approach to things, and was active in driving the Good Friday Agreement forward among other things. Then he went all in on the worst parts of late Clintonian triangulation and W's warmongering and poo poo all over his earlier successes.
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 23:00 |
Blair was definitely seen as Good until the Iraq War and did some good things afterwards such as funding the NHS and not vocally insulting public sector workers from a position of life-changing superiority. Nice one. However nobody here wanted the Iraq War, millions marched against it, and when it went from the farcically inept invasion to a really lovely civil war bit while he tried to claim it was a Good Idea still, he'd Had His Chips as we say in the hood.
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# ? Jul 16, 2017 23:06 |
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blair would have at least a 'complex' legacy if it weren't for the war imo, a clintonian position where he's seen fairly well by the public at large even if the left complains the war he went all-in on, forced through over cabinet resignations and literally 2% of the country marching in the streets against it, and it was an utter criminal farce and disaster he made it the defining moment of his career, and lo his career was indeed defined by it
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 00:54 |
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etalian posted:they had a racist costume party but his time no royals were present So, it doesn't count then, right? I don't get all your Limey traditions. Also, did I hear earlier that Jezza is now a woman?
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 02:05 |
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e: nvm
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 02:52 |
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The creepiest part of the Iraq war is that both Bush and Blair were - according to people close to them - privately driven to invade Iraq thanks to their intense religious convictions. There are larger forces that were driving the war but it probably didn't help that the two principal leaders involved in the conflict both became convinced that they were enacting the literal will of God. Then again, Blair's old school Christianity motivating him to become a war criminal might be the creepiest part of his beliefs, but his insane New Age nuttery is the funniest: I'm quotin this whole thing cause god drat: The Guardian posted:Ev'rybody must get stones Suddenly a lot of Blair's tone deafness or his inability to comprehend just how repulsive he is comes into clearer focus: the man is genuinely unhinged.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:03 |
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https://twitter.com/13sarahmurphy/status/886853958353997825
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:05 |
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When Blair started his second term he basically got all hosed up realising that he didn't actually have a cause or anything he believed in. The love from the daddy yanks and his creeping messiah complex basically broke his brain after 9/11 and the country got dragged along for the Blair's Breakdown ride. He was always a nasty egomaniac piece of work though.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:07 |
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The line from liberals in the Labour party is always that "Oh, well New Labour did a lot of good, are you just going to discount that?" The counterpoint being that there is no indication that Labour only won *because* of Blair (a dead donkey with a red rosette could have won in 1997) or that New Labour's methods were the only political option available to fix the NHS etc.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:27 |
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the government have decided the way to stop kids accessing porn is to make all porn sites require credit card details to be accessed
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:31 |
Finally a common sense proposal.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 11:45 |
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Literally every good thing New Labour did was stuff the old lefty Labour base had campaigned for and approved of. The only positive thing New Labour brought to the table was the electability and it's the most overstated and overemphasised thing in modern british political history. The only electoral difference New Labour made was that it ran up the score, it undeniably increased the Labour majority a decent wodge but who gives a gently caress, if you win you win. The cost of that difference was losing the mass membership, technocrat leaders promoted way above their ability, the death of the activist base, Labour councillors being chosen that were/are genuinely pieces of poo poo, reducing voter turnout because the parties actually were all the same, a massive gift to the Lib Dems and UKIP as a presumptive alternative and an isolationist, monarchial PM doing dumb poo poo like going to war with no plan to clean up the mess. New Labour is 100% a massive, dangerous gently caress up that's already done irreparable damage to the UK, it's walking corpse and the professionalised liberal culture surrounding it like flies honestly need to get gone.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 12:00 |
Vitamin P posted:The only electoral difference New Labour made was that it ran up the score, it undeniably increased the Labour majority a decent wodge but who gives a gently caress, if you win you win. I'd also blame the death of the activist base in the 1990s on the relatively recent death of the USSR and inevitable left-wing soul searching after that, more than Tony Blair.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 12:07 |
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jBrereton posted:Lot of people assumed Kinnock would win in 92 and he didn't. I'd rather "run up the score" than not have a Labour government at all. Yes but you are Tony Blair. Confirm/deny?
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 14:17 |
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Vitamin P posted:Literally every good thing New Labour did was stuff the old lefty Labour base had campaigned for and approved of. The only positive thing New Labour brought to the table was the electability and it's the most overstated and overemphasised thing in modern british political history. I wonder if the overemphasis on the success of New Labour is tied to the success of the Conservatives under Thatcher, much in the same way the Democrats were scarred by the success of Reagan for a decade. The relative failure of Labour and the Democrats during those years allowed for new politicians with new political ideas - third way politics in this case - to roll in and claim that they succeeded because of these new ideas, not in spite of them.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 14:59 |
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I think the centrist snake oil strategy is really good for winning a few elections, but once people have seen through it you really need to change tack because they aren't going to swallow that bullshit again.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 18:18 |
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Third way centrism was also very attuned to the particular historical moment. People still remembered the high inflation of the 1970s, labour militancy was seen as having deadlocked the economy, actually existing socialist economies were visibly failing or converting to capitalism and radical academics were abandoning Marxism in favour of Foucault, Butler and post-modernism. Whether or not you approve of the neoliberal policy toolkit that was used to "fix" these problems there was some reason that a large part of the public was open to electing third way governments. What's really contemptible is that third wayers who lack any historical perspective and seem to think that Blairism or Clintonism was some kind of timeless strategy that serious politicians must embrace. Much in the way it's always 1917 for a Trot, for a centrist it's always 1996.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:22 |
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tony blair more like tory blair
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:24 |
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Helsing posted:Third way centrism was also very attuned to the particular historical moment. People still remembered the high inflation of the 1970s, labour militancy was seen as having deadlocked the economy, actually existing socialist economies were visibly failing or converting to capitalism and radical academics were abandoning Marxism in favour of Foucault, Butler and post-modernism. Whether or not you approve of the neoliberal policy toolkit that was used to "fix" these problems there was some reason that a large part of the public was open to electing third way governments. drat, i succumbed to the same presentism described here in my previous post
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:29 |
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logikv9 posted:Your island-superiority has clearly gotten to your heads, time to fill in the English channel they're suffering from a classic case of island madness
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:30 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think the centrist snake oil strategy is really good for winning a few elections, but once people have seen through it you really need to change tack because they aren't going to swallow that bullshit again. yeah pretty much. no one is getting fooled by this empty ideology again
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 21:56 |
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babypolis posted:yeah pretty much. no one is getting fooled by this empty ideology again Well, not for some time at least.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think the centrist snake oil strategy is really good for winning a few elections, but once people have seen through it you really need to change tack because they aren't going to swallow that bullshit again. Pretty much. Neoliberalism can function in the short term when you still have an economy to offshore and a middle class to placate with credit and cheap goods and promises they can be retrained into comfy office jobs. Now there's no middle class, the entire economy is a speculative bubble that doesn't produce anything, and everyone is up to their ears in debt with no prospects. Oops.
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