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alright guys, new idea: what if we forced young people to do our labour, for free? eh? ehhhhhh?
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tired: suck zone wired: rhizzone
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Yinlock posted:alright guys, new idea: what if we forced young people to do our labour, for free? *later* why aren't these lazy millenials buying our multimillion dollar homes?!?
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zegermans posted:rhizzone is anti-bernie? I thought they were commu-hyper-lefitsts Bernie is a small "s" socialist who just wants everybody to get a fair shake. I could see hardcore Socialist/Communists not liking that.
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Condiv posted:*later* all millenials must work the avocado orchards for 2 years to earn their citizenship
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Thoguh posted:Bernie is a small "s" socialist who just wants everybody to get a fair shake. I could see hardcore Socialist/Communists not liking that. also there's nothing socialists hate more than someone who's not the exact same type of socialist as them
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Hot take: Capitalism itself isn't bad, the abuse of systems is bad. Too bad many people who are garbage abuse the system and believe money in itself is value rather than the means of transferring value. Which of course such abuse undermines the entire system and we have too much of society dependent on said compromised system. Never forget it's not usually the method but the people who exploit that are not to be trusted.
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i've gone way beyond bernie, but as bad as things are he'd be a nice compromise candidateThndrShk2k posted:Hot take: capitalism is bad
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Fallen Hamprince posted:all millenials must work the avocado orchards for 2 years to earn their citizenship that's almost rahm emmanuel's plan for the kids of chicago!
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ThndrShk2k posted:Hot take: this, except the inverse of every clause
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galaxy brain hyperleftist would be a good username
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ThndrShk2k posted:Hot take: Swing and a miss
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Serf posted:i've gone way beyond bernie, but as bad as things are he'd be a nice compromise candidate Apocalypse Voice: "I am as far beyond Bernie as Bernie is beyond liberals"
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loquacius posted:I mean, this is an extremely grade-school-level take (also like dictators: parents!!!!) difference between social democrats and democratic socialists imho
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"The thing is good, but people are bad" is the shittiest opinion ever and a good way to spot liberal, neolib, fascist, centrist, or libertarian tendencies. Example of the contrary good opinion: All Cops Are Bastards not because people are bad, but because the system is a gently caress.
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For non-essentials of worth what sort of economic system would be better while maintaining the agency of the individuals who produce this optional but in demand service or product? Am I just confusing two different definitions for the term capitalism?
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the fact that the market needed to be regulated should have proven to everyone that the basis of our economic theory is unworkable but noooo
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capitalism sucks but any government is going to be subverted by evil people no matter the good intentions of the founders that doesn't mean "lol nothing matters" (even if true) but that you can't ever be complacent
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UHD posted:any government is going to be subverted by evil people but enough about gorbachev
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UHD posted:capitalism sucks but any government is going to be subverted by evil people no matter the good intentions of the founders "capitalism sucks, but" 
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capitalism isn't the problem crony capitalism is the problem
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GalacticAcid posted:capitalism isn't the problem i see this one a lot too and it makes me laugh
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sorry i forgot to put a hail communism at the end of my post i will see myself to the guillotine
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Immoral, exploitative system is bad, but gosh darn it, people should behave better too.
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Serf posted:the fact that the market needed to be regulated should have proven to everyone that the basis of our economic theory is unworkable but noooo Wrong tool for the job, insisted to be used by the wrong people for the wrong reasons. The US highway system is a great example of something a social system would be better than raw capitalism. It prevented and eliminated private roads and ensured constant upkeep by having it governmentally owned for land, and allows anyone with an appropriate drivers license on it. Under a private/public system it would be more likely to exploit people based off from geographic location and isolate communities, with of course them also making money off from other businesses who need to use the road for goods transports. With a public road system you got more freedom to travel throughout the country with a simple user experience and companies eventually were even more successful without a greedy gatekeeper at every stop. (Unless you consider the government as a greedy gatekeeper) For that kind of system Capitalism would be the wrong tool for the job, and a more socialistic solution was the better tool. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 17:03 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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if only our capitalist overlords would pull their pants up
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Frijolero posted:Immoral, exploitative system is bad, but gosh darn it, people should behave better too. Yes, that's correct. Unless you're going to go full tankie and say that the Soviet/Chinese governments did nothing wrong?
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as i have stated earlier itt, i know that it'll more than likely be a multigenerational process in order for FALGSC to be Just How Things Are, so i'll admit i am a little more evolutionary than revolutionary when it comes to implementation of democratic socialism. but i also know that violent protests become more and more of an inevitability the longer that non-violent protests are ignored.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Maybe essential markets in terms of survival and the basic needs of life being entrenched in the capitalistic system is bad, but that doesn't make capitalistic systems themselves bad. i'm really talking more about things like the sherman anti-trust act. the free market isn't. monopolies are an inevitable conclusion, and the drive to always increase profits will do so at the expense of the worker, the consumer, and the environment
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Serf posted:i'm really talking more about things like the sherman anti-trust act. the free market isn't. monopolies are an inevitable conclusion, and the drive to always increase profits will do so at the expense of the worker, the consumer, and the environment And to be clear I wasn't defending capitalism as we have it today in the US, but just in general as a system. The systems are tools and the ones behind the tools are the ones to blame. Which could also mean eat the rich.
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capitalism is just evil outright. its excesses are destroying our planet, at little benefit to anyone but the 0.1% and that 0.1% foolishly thinks they're going to live on just fine after they destroy this world basically, capitalism rewards idiocy most of all
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civilization isn't a market, it is an ecosystem. we have predatory actors in search of power and/or money, and prey on the poor and vulnerable. and as things go right now, the predators are the ones in charge, but they've just about over-consumed and are about to cause a catastrophic failure that will harm everyone. edit: if we aren't already in the process of a failure. Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 17:08 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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ThndrShk2k posted:I agree that exploitation is bad. exploitation is both bad and inevitable. if the government has to step in to regulate the free market, then the free market isn't free at all and the idea that the free market solves our problems is false
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framing the problem in terms of a market seems to cede control of the narrative to capitalists before the debate has even started.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Yes, that's correct. Unless you're going to go full tankie and say that the Soviet/Chinese governments did nothing wrong? I will not respond to bad faith ad hominems dear sir.
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it's amazing to me that we are nearing an extinction level crisis, brought on entirely by capitalism, and people are still stroking it to capitalism. it's a death cult masquerading as an uplifting ideology
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:suckzone.png: counterpoint: join the DSA
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