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I think I meant less collaborating with other established artists, and more the flexibility and creativity you get from writing the songs. A good producer/engineer/etc. like Moulder is critical, but it seems like working with the same core group over and over produces some stuff that's distinctive NIN sound, but not necessarily because of Trent (like the aforementioned Robin Finck klaxon guitar sound). Compare that, to, for example, Hesitation Marks - despite recruiting a legendary musician like Adrian Belew, I think it's overall a fairly weak album, especially the guitar work. Belew's poo poo really felt kind of phoned-in, because AFAIK he never really had any interest or involvement in NIN before that. I might be talking out of my rear end on this, but I really love the recent band lineups - Another Version of the Truth is probably the NIN album that gets the most airtime from me. I love what they do to the older stuff, especially. Like this version of The Big Come Down is loving amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ak15PpPX1c
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Kelp Me! posted:I think I meant less collaborating with other established artists, and more the flexibility and creativity you get from writing the songs. A good producer/engineer/etc. like Moulder is critical, but it seems like working with the same core group over and over produces some stuff that's distinctive NIN sound, but not necessarily because of Trent (like the aforementioned Robin Finck klaxon guitar sound). Compare that, to, for example, Hesitation Marks - despite recruiting a legendary musician like Adrian Belew, I think it's overall a fairly weak album, especially the guitar work. Belew's poo poo really felt kind of phoned-in, because AFAIK he never really had any interest or involvement in NIN before that. Belew has worked with NIN previous to Hesitation Marks: http://www.nin.wiki/Adrian_Belew#Work_with_NIN
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fallenturtle posted:Belew has worked with NIN previous to Hesitation Marks: http://www.nin.wiki/Adrian_Belew#Work_with_NIN Didn't know that! Looks like it was only 4 songs outside of Ghosts, though. Ghosts makes way more sense for him to be a part of, TBH. I think the interview quote from that link is somewhat relevant to my point, though: quote:"Trent [Reznor] and I were hoping to re-invent the band. As it turned out, when we got in rehearsals and everything started in earnest, it just didn’t go that way. In the end we were just learning each song exactly as it was on the record; within a couple of weeks it seemed like there wasn’t going to be any reinvention of the band, so why was I there?
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It was an odd idea to begin with; I've heard that Belew actually doesn't know how to read music -- plus his guitar work is very much his "voice" and doesn't really sound like anyone else's. So it's hard to imagine him simply being added to a band and playing their songs when the band leader has a very specific idea of how the songs should sound. You have to expect the songs to get transformed.
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He did all the weird guitar riffs in Mr. Self Destruct too. Porcupine Tree has a funny lyric that goes something like "I spend my days with all my friends...they're the ones on who my life depends...I'm gonna miss them when the series ends" Leon Einstein fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 18:52
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Leon Einstein posted:He did all the weird guitar riffs in Mr. Self Destruct too. Yeah I like that line. Another good one is "Credit me with some intelligence (if not, just credit me)/I come in value packs of 10 (in 5 varieties)" They're A Good Band.
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Jul 14, 2017 19:45
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I want more pretty hate machine reworks
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I have the impression that collaboration with Chris Vrenna made The Downward Spiral what it is and why it stands apart from the rest of the NIN albums. I'm digging the new song. Something about the lyric 'did it fix what was wrong with you' and the delivery of chorus comes off as fresh and interesting.
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Anybody know if that video of Adrian Belew recording the weird guitar part for The Warning (or was it something from Ghosts) is still on YouTube?
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Skails posted:I have the impression that collaboration with Chris Vrenna made The Downward Spiral what it is and why it stands apart from the rest of the NIN albums. He apparently listened to hundreds of hours of movies on headphones to listen for samples. I know people love The Fragile, but TDS is peak NIN in my opinion.
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Leon Einstein posted:He apparently listened to hundreds of hours of movies on headphones to listen for samples. I know people love The Fragile, but TDS is peak NIN in my opinion. Trent: Dude, we have an album to make, you're just in here watching loving movies all day. Chris: Er...no dude, it's like...it's totally just, research! I'm doing research!
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Some people reported issues with their discount code, but fwiw I was just able to use mine on ADD VIOLENCE physical component + digital (prob the cheapest thing in the store?) with no issues. Maybe the store was just getting hammered too hard the other day?
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Show in Bakersfield goes on sale at 10 for the I can't seem to wake up 2017 tour. https://www.axs.com/events/339151/nine-inch-nails-tickets
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glam rock hamhock posted:That video made me pull the trigger and buy Polybus and it is really crazy. I love jeff mintner's games. I played the living poo poo out of TxK on my vita
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Acethomas posted:Show in Bakersfield goes on sale at 10 for the I can't seem to wake up 2017 tour. https://www.axs.com/events/339151/nine-inch-nails-tickets Got my two tickets, one benefit of living in this godforsaken town.
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Acethomas posted:Show in Bakersfield goes on sale at 10 for the I can't seem to wake up 2017 tour. https://www.axs.com/events/339151/nine-inch-nails-tickets That's an amazingly bad name for a tour. All this political stuff is ringing hollow with me since he basically checked out in 2008.
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Can we discuss the political content here? Less than is obviously a call-out.
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repeating posted:Can we discuss the political content here? Less than is obviously a call-out. I think it's ambiguous enough that it could be a Trump callout, or not.
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At least an indictment of the current climate.
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Oh of course it's a Trump call-out, he just kept it vague enough that it can be reused in 10 years if necessary. See also: "Suddenly very appropriate T-shirt" Oh, did anyone stick around for the rest of the Zane Lowe interview last week? Because apparently, he discussed plans for an album after the 3 EPs which would actually be a combination of all of them, but possibly with different versions of the songs. https://www.alternativenation.net/nine-inch-nails-reveal-plan-next-album-what-could-delay-it/ Trent Reznor posted:That’s kind of the plan right now. I’m interested in the narrative, and the ways we can present that but feel provocative. Give songs their due, but set them in a place that gives them another bit of perception.
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Sir Lemming posted:Because apparently, he discussed plans for an album after the 3 EPs which would actually be a combination of all of them, but possibly with different versions of the songs. This reminds me of Teargarden in Kaleidescope (or whatever it was called), which was Billy Corgan's grand plan for some sort of 44+ track album released in bits and pieces, and then after Oceania came out, that was that, and he moved on to something else. Except I believe Trent WILL actually do what he says he will, and also he's not a shithead. And I say this as a huge Pumpkins fan. Why do you make it so hard for me to love you, Billy? 
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:This reminds me of Teargarden in Kaleidescope (or whatever it was called), which was Billy Corgan's grand plan for some sort of 44+ track album released in bits and pieces, and then after Oceania came out, that was that, and he moved on to something else. Except I believe Trent WILL actually do what he says he will, and also he's not a shithead. And I say this as a huge Pumpkins fan. Ha, I was thinking about that the other day, and wondering if it ever came to fruition. IDG(much of)AF about Pumpkins but I do like grand ridiculous album plans. To me, Trent's plan seems actually like standard old-school NIN fare: if you consider the 3 EPs an album, then what he's talking about would basically be the usual follow-up remix album, wouldn't it?
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Diet Poison posted:Ha, I was thinking about that the other day, and wondering if it ever came to fruition. IDG(much of)AF about Pumpkins but I do like grand ridiculous album plans. Hm, maybe. I love Further Down the Spiral, so I'm all good with that.
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I was thinking the same thing. If it's remixed and resequenced in an interesting way, I'm on board.
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TOOT BOOT posted:I think it's ambiguous enough that it could be a Trump callout, or not. Let's see if when he sings Capital G live he changes it to D.
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 Back cover for Add Violence. Trent keeps saying there are clues hidden in the artwork and "EST TERMINATE EVENT - 2022" is a pretty loving huge Year Zero reference.
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Percy Teatwillow posted:
Mentions Presence at the top too. Maybe the TV show will finally come out, now Trent's an Oscar winner he can probably pull some more strings.
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Trump seems way too easy not to be the basis of a year zero 2.0 Trent's never exactly been super nuanced when it comes to lyrics. This is way too obvious to pass up. (I'm still down)
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Also, wouldn't it be Capital T? Edit: nope, I'm stupid, it was a first name thing. Welp.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Also, wouldn't it be Capital T? I thought it was actually "Greed", although I'm sure the fact that it could also stand for "George" wasn't lost on him.
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Less Than seems like TR lashing out at the people that voted for Trump. That's probably why it's ringing so hollow to me. As if, Ms. 'We Came, We Saw, He Died. Hehehe' wouldn't have had missile trails across the sky shortly after getting sworn in or that it's somehow lower/middle america's fault that they were presented with a terrible set of choices. It's also crazy hypocritical coming from Mr. '1%, working at Apple, 4 kids, flipping mansions, hobnobbing in hollywood' Reznor. Where was this loving rage in 2008-2016? (all that said, it isn't a bad song) (also, combining eps into a single album is basically what he did for htda and that sucked so i'm not looking forward to the lp unless it's drastically reworked)
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To a fault, Trent is a very successful gen x'er so it isn't that wierd that he leans "left" but it lacks any nuance that resonates with a current generation. The song is cool in a "I like NIN so I like this" way but imagine if this were the mans first single. That said I'll take what I can get cuz I grew up in the 90s and anyone else who did I HIGHLY RECOMMEND WATCHING The Defiant Ones on HBO. It's about the rise of Jimmy Iovine, the birth of Interscope, and covers everything from Pac to NIN to Manson (and very thoroughly) Dr. Dre. Reznor is throughout it and the score is entirely ambient NIN.
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Call Me Charlie posted:Less Than seems like TR lashing out at the people that voted for Trump.    I wonder if Uncle Al (or is he Grandpa Al nowadays) still has a good album in him. If that "only makes a good album under a Republican president" thing has any truth to it he couldn't ask for better conditions. Comedy option - they could reunite 1000 Homo DJs and make another single/EP. Can you imagine!?
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Call Me Charlie posted:Less Than seems like TR lashing out at the people that voted for Trump. Although I don't doubt TR has plenty of hypocritical political opinions, I think the partial vagueness of even his most political lyrics is his attempt to get outside himself a little bit and see a bigger picture. I'm sure he would have no problem with raging against Trump more directly, but feels it's more interesting and ultimately enduring to explore the human condition in general. That's not to say he won't someday perform the song in front of a giant picture of Trump, of course. But that doesn't restrict the song from ever being about someone else. And if it makes you feel any better, the kind of people you described are by no means the ONLY people who voted for him. They are the majority of them, but there was undeniably a small-yet-vocal group who absolutely viewed Trump with an almost Messianic fervor, legitimately believing this guy was going to remove all corruption from Washington. And I suppose that happens every political cycle to a certain extent. You're free to imagine TR is only singing to them, if you want.
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Call Me Charlie posted:That's probably why it's ringing so hollow to me. As if, Ms. 'We Came, We Saw, He Died. Hehehe' wouldn't have had missile trails across the sky shortly after getting sworn in or that it's somehow lower/middle america's fault that they were presented with a terrible set of choices. quote:(also, combining eps into a single album is basically what he did for htda and that sucked so i'm not looking forward to the lp unless it's drastically reworked)
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Trent is 52 guys Man, I remember him and many others playing at Bowie's 50th birthday concert. That seemed like forever ago, wow.
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Another new song, "This Isn't The Place" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g8nAqDu3gI Reminds me of one of the slower, more brooding Niggy Tardust tracks. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Sir Lemming posted:Another new song, "This Isn't The Place" Another Year Zero reference with the Cedocore box at the bottom. I like the song. Couldn't stand HM so I'm glad he's releasing stuff I like again.
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