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Praseodymi posted:There's an excellent quote from The Wealth of Nations that Mark Blyth uses a bunch. Smith absolutely recognised the role of the state in protecting established wealth. Yeah jeez "we won't need government when class divides are gone" is the endgame of communism
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i'm hesitant to give any definition for a word that a majority of this thread uses to justify hatred of people they don't agree with lol, look at this white knight. protecting all the youtubers from being called racists.
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I have transcended ideology and become the uberliberal. I hold no opinions or beliefs, only a deep epistemological skepticism that only applies to one side of any given debate, for reasons I refuse to explain or examine. Thank you for showing me the way, forums user Pittsburgh Lambic.
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Chasterson posted:lol, look at this white knight. cue lil' Milo video telling him everyone is a little racist.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i'm hesitant to give any definition for a word that a majority of this thread uses to justify hatred of people they don't agree with gently caress off coward
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fallenturtle posted:cue lil' Milo video telling him everyone is a little racist.
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Zikan posted:in other alt-right news Stefan Molyneux continues to own self what? i still dont understand what this loving means.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what? i still dont understand what this loving means. Women needed to pony up the pussy to get a man to support them in the old days. Now they can suck off the state for money and just string along guys without giving up the vag. ugh, that hurt to type.
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Zikan posted:in other alt-right news Stefan Molyneux continues to own self  What kind of person wants a relationship based entirely on financial dependency and desperation? An awful one.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Women needed to pony up the pussy to get a man to support them in the old days. Now they can suck off the state for money and just string along guys without giving up the vag. I took it as "In the good old days, women didn't get to say No." Not sure that's really any worse than your interpretation. Also, aren't these guys constantly saying "If I ever do get a girl, she'll be used up and just want me for my cash (LOL, like they have any) while making me pay for Chad's kids"? Why would they want women to be dependent on them for money if they think that's all a woman is after anyway? Again, it's just a way for losers who can't get laid to put the blame on anyone but themselves. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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It's been awhile since I read up on it, but as I recall the prejudice + power formulation was constructed originally for what I might call academic advocacy purposes, to fold harm arguments into the definition and leverage it for broader political use. This...turned out poorly, both because it creates problems for intersectional interpretation, because it's easy to abuse the expression, and because, ultimately, it's a pretty reductive and dumb definition that confuses effect with content. It's popular in some advocate corners because it's a catchy phrase that provides the impression of insight (or a rhetorical knife-twist), and popular as a means of attacking anti-racist arguments in other corners because it's so obviously reductive and exclusive. ...On further thought, there's probably a parallel to the cultural appropriation arguments here somewhere. Zikan posted:in other alt-right news Stefan Molyneux continues to own self I see where that's going and I'm disgusted that I do.
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Zikan posted:in other alt-right news Stefan Molyneux continues to own self Dapper_Swindler posted:what? i still dont understand what this loving means. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVVWSXIR0k&t=145s maybe this is international friend zone solidarity week vvvvv SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I don't know what he's on 
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Steve thinks Rome was a welfare state so I don't know what he's on about even in his own dream logic
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Discendo Vox posted:It's been awhile since I read up on it, but as I recall the prejudice + power formulation was constructed originally for what I might call academic advocacy purposes, to fold harm arguments into the definition and leverage it for broader political use. This...turned out poorly, both because it creates problems for intersectional interpretation, because it's easy to abuse the expression, and because, ultimately, it's a pretty reductive and dumb definition that confuses effect with content. Who writes rationalwiki? Divabot and friends? Re: prejudice plus power, I'm linking to this with extreme caution: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power Discendo Vox posted:I see where that's going and I'm disgusted that I do. WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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I imagine Lambic is banned from is local supermarkets for endlessly arguing with the staff after seeing "new and improved" on various products and demanding exhaustive proof of the claim.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Who writes rationalwiki? Divabot and friends? Interesting, I knew the wiki article was out there, but hadn't read it. The Hoyt, Jr., commentary, and the sources it cites, were the main sources I'd used when previously looking at the subject. WrenP-Complete posted:This is offensive to human dignity. (The Molyneux quote, not Vox.) His current pinned tweet is https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/886790856916815873 :headdesk: Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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That diagram also represents how I feel looking at the diagram, as if there's a large rod jammed through my skull.
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Jesus, the replies are worse than the graph.
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Discendo Vox posted:His current pinned tweet is Yeah, I've dealt with a buddy who after years away I've found somehow became a Molyneux acolyte. Discussed IQ with him (shocker, he thinks its hyper-important, I think its scientific racist garbage) and he started with this IQ decreasing thing. Totally blown away when more than one person mentioned the Flynn Effect (i.e. the upward trend in the developed world) as something that was real and as uncontroversial as gravity. Don't know if anyone is going to reach him (he is programmed so he argues without any regard for the end results, which makes for interesting conclusions) but I have to think that lining his thinking up against the body of scientific research is something that might improve him.
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even if iq meant anything a two-three point drop since the 50s is negligible and you can't just extrapolate that trend into eternity. one of the top responses mentions vaccines lol.
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It just says "IQ level" on that axis. Is it the world average? Is it the Canadian median? Is it Steven Molyneux's specifically? Let's follow the link and find out!The Daily Mail posted:Dumb and dumber? Evidence suggests the IQs of people in the UK, Denmark and Australia have declined in the last decade. This article is from 2014 posted:An IQ test used to determine whether Danish men are fit to serve in the military has revealed scores have fallen by 1.5 points since 1998. Oh. "World" means three countries chosen seemingly arbitrarily, including a 1.5 point drop over 16 years in one of them, and Molyneux doesn't live in any of them. Why does he care about this again? A newspaper that literally supported Hitler posted:Now some experts believe we are starting to see the end of the Flynn effect in developed countries – and that IQ scores are not just levelling out, but declining. Well that seems like a well-backed-up argument that has nothing to do with eugenics. What else you got?
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Jul 17, 2017 20:55
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i'm hesitant to give any definition for a word that a majority of this thread uses to justify hatred of people they don't agree with Your internal philosophy is so hosed up you can't even define racism. Assuming you're not being disingenuous.
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quote:They found that visual reaction times averaged 194 milliseconds in the late 19th Century, but in 2004, they had increased to 275 milliseconds. Where are these studies on reaction time in the late 19th century? I assume they used electromechanical prompts and stopwatch measures, how accurate were they? What age groups are they taken from? Older people have worse reaction times, and there's more older people now, so could that explain it? What does reaction time have to do with general intelligence?
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someone who can do one of those timed multiplication texts faster than einstein is definitely smarter than him.
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If I lived in the late 19th century the easy availability of opiates and cheap column liquor would have probably given me a reaction time of 'huh?' Or more likely I'd have died at 18 months or something.
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Zikan posted:in other alt-right news Stefan Molyneux continues to own self He literally wants to be the villain forcing the young protagonist of an historical romance novel into marriage.
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Guavanaut posted:So many questions. There's even more to this that is just 100% taken on faith. Like G (general intelligence) is a measurable phenomena with only scalar values. Meaning, being smart at one thing makes you smart at other things, and this can be ranked directly on a number line. That's not something that you can just claim without any real proof, and what I've understood says that G being this isn't the slam dunk it was a decade or two in the past. Basically, their weird science of IQ and racist trappings that have been built around them might not even be valid at the base level. Of course, their response is always that things were better a few decades in the past, when we had people still working hard at coming up with a more socially acceptable phrenology to show the supposed inferiority of non-white people.
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Zikan posted:in other alt-right news Stefan Molyneux continues to own self https://twitter.com/gamblor5555/status/887015899491954689 
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Guavanaut posted:So many questions. Oh, the article answers that one. "It is claimed that reaction time mirrors mental processing speed - so it reflects intelligence." If you put a NASCAR driver and a chess grand master next to each other, and tried to guess which one was more intelligent, safe money is going to be on the NASCAR driver every time. He's just that much faster at reacting. e: And since we're just generally making GBS threads on Molyneux, I'm going to recommend Shaun's video on his Force Awakens critique. Come to try to figure out whether Moly actually watched the movie or not, stay for the unhinged shouting about the main character's uterus! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iqN68PejEc Goon Danton fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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rkajdi posted:Basically, their weird science of IQ and racist trappings that have been built around them might not even be valid at the base level. Of course, their response is always that things were better a few decades in the past, when we had people still working hard at coming up with a more socially acceptable phrenology to show the supposed inferiority of non-white people. Or are they so rational that they've realized that they can sit on their rear end making poorly produced poo poo and rake in more money than they probably would as a chemistry graduate or something for far less effort? Goon Danton posted:Oh, the article answers that one. "It is claimed that reaction time mirrors mental processing speed - so it reflects intelligence." If you put a NASCAR driver and a chess grand master next to each other, and tried to guess which one was more intelligent, safe money is going to be on the NASCAR driver every time. He's just that much faster at reacting.
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Guavanaut posted:Everyone is. It's a consequence of developing in a highly radicalized society. The trick is to recognize that as a bad thing and to seek to reduce both personal and systemic biases rather than use it as an excuse for garbage humans being racist. Oh I agree with him. I don't believe there is anyone who has grown up in our society who has a mind clear of racial, gender, and cultural biases. But if you have a thought like that you identify it, think to yourself "that's hosed up, don't think like that", don't act on it, keep it to yourself, and move on. fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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It's funny to see the same people who attack the idea of college (and really education in general) brag about how high their IQ's supposedly are.
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Kjoery posted:maybe hes an undoomed fan yikes 
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Guavanaut posted:So many questions. Guy used the study from Francis Galton. Galton, WHO WAS THE NEPHEW OF DARWIN WHICH GIVES HIM EXTRA CREDIBILITY!!!!, reasoned that intelligence is the ability to process information at a fast pace. Which led to the reaction time = measure of intelligence. Of course you could argue that we're a lot smarter than we were back then and we realize that intelligence is more than just that. Or the fact that science in those days wasn't as advanced... But you might as well be talking to a wall.
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:yikes How can you be so poo poo that a woman has literally nothing to offer you as a friend? Like has no shared life experiences or interesting takes on things? And how can you be so specifically poo poo that  are constantly getting offended around you but none of the guys are?Archer666 posted:Guy used the study from Francis Galton. Galton, WHO WAS THE NEPHEW OF DARWIN WHICH GIVES HIM EXTRA CREDIBILITY!!!!, reasoned that intelligence is the ability to process information at a fast pace. Which led to the reaction time = measure of intelligence.
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Mr Interweb posted:It's funny to see the same people who attack the idea of college (and really education in general) brag about how high their IQ's supposedly are. It's because they all think they're autodidacts.
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