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hifi posted:laptops with old tyme hard drives have an accelerometer in them to park the drive's head if it detects it's falling i wouldnt be surprised if mine has something like that, ive got extremely lovely hdd
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those fall sensors usually require a windows driver too, and it's always the biggest pain in the rear end to get working in an image for some reason
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Jul 17, 2017 16:22
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cinci zoo sniper posted:what's that exploding bit and the accelerometer about, again? when an accelerometer detects a device in freefall it automatically shuts down the hdd preventing it from spinning while it hits the floor
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Jul 17, 2017 16:35
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The_Franz posted:do the windows update drivers still not include opengl or vulkan support like on win7 and 8? no idea m8
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Jul 17, 2017 16:46
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syscall girl posted:when an accelerometer detects a device in freefall it automatically shuts down the hdd preventing it from spinning while it hits the floor let the platters hit the floor
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Jul 17, 2017 16:51
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Dodoman posted:let the platters hit the floor
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Jul 17, 2017 17:07
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The_Franz posted:do the windows update drivers still not include opengl or vulkan support like on win7 and 8? no but you should still never use windows update to get gfx card drivers because who the gently caress knows what you're getting i.e. if you have an nvidia card and windows updates your driver, congratulations now you have the geforce experience installed and running on startup because we live in a hell dimension where install packages aren't meant to be run unattended and the default options are the inverse of what a sane person would actually want
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on the other hand running signed drivers from windows update means that someone's at least looked at it and there won't be any catastrophic is...Wrath of the Bitch King posted:June security patches hosed poo poo up so badly that they've released/are releasing two out-of-band patches to fix it, lol. ... ohh
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COACHS SPORT BAR posted:no but you should still never use windows update to get gfx card drivers because who the gently caress knows what you're getting this is specifically what does not happen with windows update, microsoft forces driver makers to make a version with no additional software added for the pupose which is to some extent also why you don't get vulkan or physx or anything else which is not a windows driver, and why you will almost invariably get a rather old driver (since the trouble is not taken for every minor version) e: i mean, unless something has vastly changed *very* recently, but i don't believe so
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Jul 17, 2017 18:57
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:those fall sensors usually require a windows driver too, and it's always the biggest pain in the rear end to get working in an image for some reason I never would have imagined that "if fall then stop" required a driver and waiting for the OS the majesty of modern computer
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Jul 17, 2017 19:07
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laptops still come with spinny drives? im so sorry
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Jul 17, 2017 19:47
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Lightbulb Out posted:laptops still come with spinny drives? im so sorry yeah, people still use them on desktops too. what a shame.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:50
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Dylan16807 posted:I never would have imagined that "if fall then stop" required a driver and waiting for the OS the accelerometer is a separate part from the hard disk so something has to connect tab A to slot B
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Jul 17, 2017 20:04
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Lightbulb Out posted:laptops still come with spinny drives? im so sorry it's going to be super cool in a few years when everyone who adopted ssds for home use can no longer use their computers
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Jul 17, 2017 20:12
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Stymie posted:it's going to be super cool in a few years when everyone who adopted ssds for home use can no longer use their computers this statement doesn't make no sense
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Jul 17, 2017 20:14
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akadajet posted:this statement doesn't make no sense i'll explain: ssds have a limited write capacity and eventually become unusable for anything other than read activities, given that they are intended for enterprise use in servers where they hold a static image that can be served up multiple times rapidly but requires little to no write activity
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Jul 17, 2017 20:18
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a few years, aka a decade
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Jul 17, 2017 20:19
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lol like that'll happen before the laptop is trash or trashed
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Jul 17, 2017 20:19
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it's already happening to people who bought ssds a few years ago gosh it's almost as if all of the shills who said the write capacity issues would never be encountered were lying to drive consumer ssd sales
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Jul 17, 2017 20:20
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Lightbulb Out posted:laptops still come with spinny drives? im so sorry i have a 5400 spinner on a 2014 laptop
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Stymie posted:i'll explain: ssds have a limited write capacity and eventually become unusable for anything other than read activities, given that they are intended for enterprise use in servers where they hold a static image that can be served up multiple times rapidly but requires little to no write activity give me an example of anyone actually hitting this read/write limit
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Jul 17, 2017 20:22
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some kind of future dystopia where storage manufacturers are all gone and small children can only play what's currently installed on my computer, deus ex, modded diablo 2, or ffx on a buggy ps2 emulator is funny to think about though.
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Jul 17, 2017 20:22
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akadajet posted:give me an example of anyone actually hitting this read/write limit sure hold on a sec while i exert any effort at all to do your work for you
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Jul 17, 2017 20:24
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because rotational drives dont fail. are you really this loving stupid stymie lol (yes)
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Jul 17, 2017 20:28
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Lightbulb Out posted:laptops still come with spinny drives? im so sorry they're useful if you like to actually store things on your laptop
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Jul 17, 2017 20:28
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the biggest problems so far have been the early bugs. the samsung one and hte intel one, and ocz being just bad overall
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Jul 17, 2017 20:28
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pram posted:because rotational drives dont fail. are you really this loving stupid stymie lol (yes) not if you actually take care of your devices they don't it's kind of weird how frequently spinny drives fail for people who never bother to clean their computers to ensure they ventilate properly i'm sure it's just coincidence and the solution is to buy hardware that have pre-defined lifespans by the manufacturer because at least then you'll know it's coming
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Jul 17, 2017 20:31
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this is a fantastically mundane stymie derail, why don't you guys bite on some funnier statement instead?
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Jul 17, 2017 20:36
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yeah, dont forget to change the oil in your hard drives
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/ "Two standout conclusions from the study. First, that MLC drives are as reliable as the more costly SLC "enteprise" drives. This mirrors hard drive experience, where consumer SATA drives have been found to be as reliable as expensive SAS and Fibre Channel drives." "The paper's second major conclusion, that age, not use, correlates with increasing error rates, means that over-provisioning for fear of flash wearout is not needed. None of the drives in the study came anywhere near their write limits, even the 3,000 writes specified for the MLC drives. But it isn't all good news. SSD UBER rates are higher than disk rates, which means that backing up SSDs is even more important than it is with disks. The SSD is less likely to fail during its normal life, but more likely to lose data." tldr Stymied again only an idiot would choose a hdd with 5% of the performance because of this sounds like a checksumming file system is a good idea though and mirroring for your critical datas
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when the most exciting prospect of the debate is mtbf tables you know you are having a bad night
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don't quote stymie, especially when it's an obvious troll
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Jul 17, 2017 20:38
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stymie's position on ssds is my favorite part of stymie
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Jul 17, 2017 20:46
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r u ready to WALK posted:http://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/ oh cool, so you don't have to worry about the drives wearing out earlier than normal hdds because of hitting the write limit, you have to worry about the drives dying earlier because of lovely tech, with the added bonus of losing 100% of what's stored on the drive when it does fail i'm glad we got that cleared up
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Jul 17, 2017 20:48
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that's our stymie! 
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Jul 17, 2017 20:54
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Stymie posted:sure hold on a sec while i exert any effort at all to do your work for you yeah like backing up your silly claims lol
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Jul 17, 2017 21:17
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A Pinball Wizard posted:that's our stymie!
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Jul 17, 2017 21:18
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akadajet posted:yeah like backing up your silly claims lol this isn't d&d my dude, i don't gotta back up poo poo, i just have to be correct you ought to back up frequently, however, because your ssd is a ticking time bomb of data loss
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Jul 17, 2017 21:31
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A Pinball Wizard posted:that's our stymie!
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pram posted:because rotational drives dont fail. are you really this loving stupid stymie lol (yes) for some masochistic reason i want fishmech to come in here and debate stymie on SSDs
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