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Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008

Well I'm not saying the Council aren't space racist, but two wrongs don't make a right.

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TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS

hard counter posted:

:turianass: councillor, some quarian robotics scientists accidentally made some illegal AIs and there was a revolution

:liara: ban all quarians

:turianass: but very few quarians are actually robotics scientists, yet most quarians have had to abandon their planet because of something they didn't do and literally billions of others have even died during the revolution, and even the scientists only did this in error, surely a more measured response-

:liara: send no aid to quarians, ban all quarians and every time a quarian comes aboard the citadel use C-SEC to interrogate them to uncover their intentions, if this indiscriminate reduction in status causes racial bigotry just look the other way

Don't forget:
:liara: Huh, ancient precursor technology. Horde that poo poo and use it to establish Asari superiority over all other races in the galaxy.

I mean, lets face it, when one of your squadmates is a walking example of racial persecution for something that happened, what, hundreds of years ago, and another is a walking example of the fact that the Council races will use genetic engineering to turn your entire race into cannon fodder, then use more genetic engineering to put you back into your place, a healthy amount of 'lets make sure we're not next, guys' is probably the prudent and measured response.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Android Blues posted:

Well I'm not saying the Council aren't space racist, but two wrongs don't make a right.

That elusive fellow has some good points, I thought.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

NikkolasKing posted:

That elusive fellow has some good points, I thought.

It was a real disappointment that The Illusive Man wasn't a stage magician.

"And now, Shepherd, prepare to be dazzled as I saw this Turian in half!"

"...Ok, that's actually pretty cool. Are you going to put him back, or...?"

"No."

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

TheCenturion posted:

Don't forget:
:liara: Huh, ancient precursor technology. Horde that poo poo and use it to establish Asari superiority over all other races in the galaxy.

This one is pretty realistic though.

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

i find that fruits go well with gaming not for health reasons or dumb stuff like that but because you can eat them while you play and they dont get your hands all dusty or greasy or whatever. they need a minute or so to prepare but if youre a real gamer that shouldnt be a problem. i like oranges and strawberries

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

whoops sorry i didnt see the carrots post

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





TheCenturion posted:

I mean, lets face it, when one of your squadmates is a walking example of racial persecution for something that happened, what, hundreds of years ago, and another is a walking example of the fact that the Council races will use genetic engineering to turn your entire race into cannon fodder, then use more genetic engineering to put you back into your place, a healthy amount of 'lets make sure we're not next, guys' is probably the prudent and measured response.

that's why i think the the third game partially retroactively justifies a lot of human-centric renegade choices across the trilogy, two wrongs don't make a right of course, but generally galactic culture seems to have arranged itself under the premise that if every species just looks after itself and makes efforts to establish a place for themselves without upsetting anyone else (illegally) then water will find its own level and everyone will have somehow made themselves into an equal partner in the galaxy ... aliens that can't rise to the occasion will have to content themselves with the lesser roles they are actually capable of performing in society; there are def colonies that seem like liberal metropolitan utopias but it's also fair to say that certain major governments just look out strictly for their own interests that are processed in very species-centric terms and the citadel seems like it encourages that kind of thinking since it does a lot regulation as if there were a hierarchy of species, it's very explicit in the dreadnought treaty and who they actually franchise through the council - there's also a long galactic history of being quasi-assholes to client species

is that a wrong? is letting the galaxy naturally organize itself under these terms bad? should we apply human morality to aliens? does humanity just accept that this is how the galaxy works and roll with it since everyone else accepts it? these are questions that andromeda could have addressed in a galaxy where there might be equal representation/participation of turians/quarians/elcor/etc since the old hierarchy might not be appropriate anymore, but it didn't

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS
It's basic game theory; if anybody might screw you over, your best play is to screw first, screw often.

Also, somebody needs to make Mass Effect: Diplomacy. Just a straight reskin.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



TheCenturion posted:

It's basic game theory; if anybody might screw you over, your best play is to screw first, screw often.

Also, somebody needs to make Mass Effect: Diplomacy. Just a straight reskin.

Id be down with that

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

Burgers to big for your mouf are bad

im cute
Sep 21, 2009

orange juche posted:

Id be down with that



and a diet coke lol

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

Hey some people actually just like diet coke

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



No they are good, but you may need a friend to help.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Android Blues posted:

Well I'm not saying the Council aren't space racist, but two wrongs don't make a right.

I cannot keep up with these shifting goalposts.

hard counter posted:

:turianass: councillor, some quarian robotics scientists accidentally made some illegal AIs and there was a revolution

:liara: ban all quarians

:turianass: but very few quarians are actually robotics scientists, yet most quarians have had to abandon their planet because of something they didn't do and literally billions of others have even died during the revolution, and even the scientists only did this in error, surely a more measured response-

:liara: send no aid to quarians, ban all quarians and every time a quarian comes aboard the citadel use C-SEC to interrogate them to uncover their intentions, if this indiscriminate reduction in status causes racial bigotry just look the other way

Anyway, I just had a really good cheesburger. While I chewed, I mulled over the bit of ME lore where the quarians found a planet they could settle on and the Council was like 'lol you didn't fill out the forms so we're giving it to the Elcor'.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS
Drell: Say, our planet is hosed. Can we have some space drellmatarian relief?
Hanar: these ones will save a few of you. If you agree to be our SPHESS ASSASSINS!!!!!
Drell: what are we going to say? No?

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!




By your power combined, we might actually have a decent burg.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Norns posted:

Flamebroil a burger or myself?

yup

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

They should have gone with the space global warming ending and the correct choice was to destroy the galactical elite along with the capital stock of the galaxy.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Arglebargle III posted:

They should have gone with the space global warming ending and the correct choice was to destroy the galactical elite along with the capital stock of the galaxy.

my primitive have you tried synthesis???

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Synthesis is a bourgeois ending that merely postpones the self - destruction of consumer capitalism.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy
Nah, synthesis is True Socialism.

And that's why people who can remember the Cold War hate it.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

ODing on sugar makes it much harder to absorb fatty fats so it's a good idea to order a diet coke with a Diabeetus menu :eng101:
That "burger" tho...

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
in non-food related news, Casey Hudson is back and Aaryn Flynn is out at BioWare

http://blog.bioware.com/2017/07/18/coming-home/

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Is he the good one?

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

fruit on the bottom posted:

Is he the good one?

He is largely responsible for Mass Effect being a thing but is also at least half responsible for ME3's ending

so mostly good!

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD

Pattonesque posted:

He is largely responsible for Mass Effect being a thing but is also at least half responsible for ME3's ending

so mostly good!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i73-lpVV-Jo

Ekusukariba
Oct 11, 2012

Pattonesque posted:

He is largely responsible for Mass Effect being a thing but is also at least half responsible for ME3's ending

so mostly good!

I mean at least he's the reason there was an ending, since he locked Mac Walters in a room and wouldn't let him out till he finally wrote an ending (pretty sure this was late in production, hence the need to lock him in) but on the otherside he didn't let any of the good writers give input towards the ending

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Ekusukariba posted:

I mean at least he's the reason there was an ending, since he locked Mac Walters in a room and wouldn't let him out till he finally wrote an ending (pretty sure this was late in production, hence the need to lock him in) but on the otherside he didn't let any of the good writers give input towards the ending

If he locked all the writers in the room to come up with an ending, we'd still be waiting for ME3 to come out.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Hudson was the managing director of ME3, he played a hand in the ending because the writing team didn't have a direction for it and they were on a 22-month cycle to produce a game.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





hudson's okay, it seems like was the reason they cut bi-romances from me2 was because they were just going to be lazy palette swaps of one another and hudson wanted a product with some real effort in it - in 2011 he was quoted as saying there'd be real focus there in me3 and in an interview back in 2012 patrick weekes mentioned that he went through a couple drafts when developing traynor, for example, because he originally wrote her backstory, personality and dialogue completely wrapped around the idea that she was a lesbian and hudson made him go through enough rewrites that she became an actual character, a bright young passionate grad with the odd quirk, who also just happened to be a lesbian

wish he had brought that kind of rigor to the endings

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009
Casey Hudson is an excellent project manager and a ruthless editor of content that waters down a game, the kind of poo poo that makes up 90% of Andromeda, and knows when to cut losses when some game system is just not working or isn't fun. I don't blame him much at all for some of the actual writing decisions in Mass Effect.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
In conclusion, Casey Hudson is a land of contrasts

but seriously he's p. good man

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


But what is Casey Hudson's choice of lunch though

Also wonder what he'll be on now that ME is iced to heck.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006
why are you guys talking about mass effect in the food thread ?

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Maybe he was brought in as one last ditch effort to resurrect the franchise :v:

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

widespread posted:

But what is Casey Hudson's choice of lunch though

Also wonder what he'll be on now that ME is iced to heck.

He's now the GM of Bioware so he'll run the directors of Dragon Age, Anthem, Old Republic, and the two guys left at Bioware Montreal who recently quadrupled the item manifest in Andromeda multiplayer with chaff.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Moola posted:

why are you guys talking about mass effect in the food thread ?

Someone ate a Mass Effect disc.

(Still better than playing Andromeda.)

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
Dragon Age inquisition as a rogue like would be interesting.

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exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


More roguelikes, that's exactly what the world needs right now.

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