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rkajdi posted:Isn't him being in a state where he's still in the senate but can't press the yes button actually helping keep the current system working? I'm not saying the dude isn't a shithead, but his broken brain and huge ego means he won't leave his seat and also can't vote yes (or for cloture on other stuff) in the meantime. Agreed, doesn't mean all these things cant be true. If you wanted to hurt and embarrass a sitting member of Congress into maybe not being a shithead this might be one of those moments. He still will/might/could vote yes. Most in the same position would be killed by whats ailing him but his awesome government provided healthcare is keeping him alive so he can take away healthcare from millions. Senators and Reps need to start paying for their lovely votes, personally. Shame should be heaped on these men for what they want to do. 
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The Phlegmatist posted:I have no idea how it happened, but it seems like the VA is staffed with a lot of malicious actors. I've heard stories from veterans about how they'll shred your paperwork and pretend they never received it, so you always need to send them photocopies rather than the originals. And they'll constantly try to make you sign waivers saying that you never worked with asbestos just in case you get mesothelioma.
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https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/887069681646841856 if a medical issue is the thing that sinks this second attempt at trumpcare I may die laughing
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Jul 17, 2017 23:05
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Also, Scalise is super sick and may not make it out of the hospital, depending on where he's got an infection. If it's in a major blood vessel that can have a 70+% chance of death.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:12
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Zikan posted:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/887069681646841856 Either McCain pulls through and has s change of heart after this realizing humans need medical care, dies and there is a referendum on healthcare in AZ, or he lives and votes to kill poor people. I'd rather #3 not happen .
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Jul 17, 2017 23:33
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BlueBlazer posted:Either McCain pulls through and has s change of heart after this realizing humans need medical care, dies and there is a referendum on healthcare in AZ, or he lives and votes to kill poor people. I'd rather #3 not happen . Isn't #2 more like "dies and the governor appoints a yes man"?
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Azhais posted:Isn't #2 more like "dies and the governor appoints a yes man"? yea... your right... my rage boner overcame my knowledge of the political process. Soooooo... we hope he becomes a vegetable? Which would be even more lol to see the Republicans in congress argue for them to pull the plug for a yes man.
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Reik posted:If it was a system everyone was on though, it would be much harder to get the support. Republicans don't dare try and cut funding to Medicare. Medicaid is only fair game because it's for "the poors". I get the sense the Republicans would attack single-payer healthcare with as much intensity as they have the ACA and attempt to privatize/ruin it as soon as they could. Because God forbid government actually work better than a private business. BarbarianElephant posted:That could be a huge problem for any single-payer healthcare system in the USA. It would be very vulnerable to being starved every 8/16 years by the Republicans. I understand this is a problem in the UK in the regards to the NHS. Where the Tories underfund and wreck the system every time hold the majority until Labor can reright the ship. Also the repeal is dead again as Senators Jerry Moran (Kansas) and Mike Lee (Utah) have come out as no votes. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/887111947606511616
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BlueBlazer posted:Either McCain pulls through and has s change of heart after this realizing humans need medical care, dies and there is a referendum on healthcare in AZ, or he lives and votes to kill poor people. I'd rather #3 not happen . we're talking about someone who slipped in a "lol gently caress native americans" clause in a random unrelated bill just to make a quick buck and try to avoid backlash mccain hasnt a single ounce of integrity or empathy lol
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Jul 18, 2017 02:28
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The Tories can't entirely starve the system, because most of their voters rely on the NHS. Give them enough time, though... And no-one seems terribly interested in voting them out right now.
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can I post this yet is it too soon am I jinxing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js
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Republicans have until September 30th to pass some type of plan via reconciliation. That's the end of the fiscal year and a new budget needs to be passed. There's also tax reform they want to pass to hand their donors more money, the debt ceiling needs to be raised to prevent default, and a budget to prevent a government shutdown.
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The Phlegmatist posted:I have no idea how it happened, but it seems like the VA is staffed with a lot of malicious actors. I've heard stories from veterans about how they'll shred your paperwork and pretend they never received it, so you always need to send them photocopies rather than the originals. And they'll constantly try to make you sign waivers saying that you never worked with asbestos just in case you get mesothelioma. Here is another thing to think about and was posed in my public policy class once. The culture of the VA is a set by the veterans themselves and one thing they insist about the VA is that veterans run it and make most of the decisions. Which means unless the ideas come for a veteran, the VA is unlikely to change.
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https://twitter.com/ASimendinger/status/887142730547245056
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That seems like the stupidest thing you could possibly do.
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Jul 18, 2017 03:56
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If at first you don't succeed, maybe kinda sorta try again. And if you still fail, go for broke.
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Uh can they even pass a repeal bill using reconciliation? There's no way it's deficit nuetral over time. Let alone what it would do to healthcare as a whole. Out of everything that's a desperate unthoughtout plan
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Jul 18, 2017 04:04
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Looks like McConnell is ragequitting the BCRA
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Uh can they even pass a repeal bill using reconciliation? There's no way it's deficit nuetral over time. Let alone what it would do to healthcare as a whole. Out of everything that's a desperate unthoughtout plan I was pretty sure it shouldn't pass reconciliation either, but they did already send a repeal bill to Obama's desk, so I guess it must.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I was pretty sure it shouldn't pass reconciliation either, but they did already send a repeal bill to Obama's desk, so I guess it must. They didn't quite send a full repeal. HR 3762, the one Obama actually had to veto, was an extensive but only partial repeal. Tom Price, at the time, said only that it "goes a long way toward lifting the burden of Obamacare." Presumably they'd do a similar repeal-as-much-as-possible bill again.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Uh can they even pass a repeal bill using reconciliation? There's no way it's deficit nuetral over time. Let alone what it would do to healthcare as a whole. Out of everything that's a desperate unthoughtout plan Reconciliation bills can increase the deficit, they just have to sunset if they do. I am not sure if this could be passed through reconciliation though.
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So the plan is to pick up Rand Paul's vote and.. what, hope the senators who were voting no because of the Medicaid reductions suddenly all have strokes? Why would any senator who was off the bandwagon over Medicaid cuts suddenly be on board for this?
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Cabbit posted:So the plan is to pick up Rand Paul's vote and.. what, hope the senators who were voting no because of the Medicaid reductions suddenly all have strokes? Why would any senator who was off the bandwagon over Medicaid cuts suddenly be on board for this? I'm thinking that the turtle just wants to move on at this point, and will hold a repeal vote with no chance of passing just so he can go "welp we tried"
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Cabbit posted:So the plan is to pick up Rand Paul's vote and.. what, hope the senators who were voting no because of the Medicaid reductions suddenly all have strokes? Why would any senator who was off the bandwagon over Medicaid cuts suddenly be on board for this? Because the Republican caucus always caves in the middle. Still, I don't think McConnell is really considering repeal-and-delay as a legitimate avenue, just a vote they can show to the base come 2018. But who knows, after the House bill died and then came back even worse, I have zero faith in the Republican moderates holding back the tide.
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Antti posted:Because the Republican caucus always caves in the middle. I could see repeal-and-figure-it-out-later being done. "Figure it out later" is a political bedrock principle that can really bring folks together.
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El Mero Mero posted:I could see repeal-and-figure-it-out-later being done. "Figure it out later" is a political bedrock principle that can really bring folks together. There's definitely precedent. Remember sequester...
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There's also stuff like budgets and the Medicare doc-fix (I forget the details but basically some arcane provision of Medicare) that have gone this route of Congress constantly passing a placeholder measure to keep it running, with the risk that if they drop the ball the whole house of cards will collapse. So we might see repeal-and-delay until 2018 and then another round of repeal-and-delay in 2018. Basically kick the can down the road, then if Democrats pass Medicare for everyone they can pivot to fighting against that. Just eternal opposition instead of passing any actual reform because then you can run in elections on that issue in perpetuity.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:That seems like the stupidest thing you could possibly do. republicanparty.txt also democracticparty.txt
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Doesn't repealing Obamacare with a two-year delay and extending it forever have some pretty serious problems. Insurers have to price their 2019 plans in August or September of 2018 and then they're locked in, if they can't even be sure the subsidies are going to pay out in 2019 because there's a repeal on the books unless congress acts (lol), they'd have to take into account the risk of all but the sickest dropping coverage the instant subsidies vanish. Premiums would go through the roof well in advance of the actual end date of the legislation.
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I'm a bit confused here, does "take up the house bill" mean the taking up the ACHA and scribbling "Obamacare is repealed in two years" in the margins or what?
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Jagged Jim posted:I'm a bit confused here, does "take up the house bill" mean the taking up the ACHA and scribbling "Obamacare is repealed in two years" in the margins or what? Yeah. Procedurally, a reconciliation bill has to originate in the House. The Senate can throw away everything that's in it. But its vote must technically be on a bill that first passed the House, even if the text of the bill isn't what passed the House.
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VitalSigns posted:Doesn't repealing Obamacare with a two-year delay and extending it forever have some pretty serious problems. I hadn't even thought of that. It might be the "force Obamacare into meltdown" gambit.
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I'm confused by the thought process here...if "repeal and replace" didn't get enough support to even go for a full vote, how the hell will "just burn it all down" stand a chance?
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Antti posted:I hadn't even thought of that. It might be the "force Obamacare into meltdown" gambit. This is a dumb plan if they are doing it on purpose; people will blame whatever is happening to them on whoever is in power when it happens to them. While trump and the republican can count on most of their base no matter what, this would be a tremendous blow to that stability. It absolutely would peel off some of their support, and they simply can't afford that.
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Antti posted:I hadn't even thought of that. It might be the "force Obamacare into meltdown" gambit. That gambit is just ending the cost sharing subsidies. Actual repeal makes it hard to blame the chaos on Obamacare 
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jivjov posted:I'm confused by the thought process here...if "repeal and replace" didn't get enough support to even go for a full vote, how the hell will "just burn it all down" stand a chance? It gets the crazies on board.
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Let's say that McConnell makes good on his threat to actually negotiate with Democrats to 'fix' the health insurance market. Is there even a plausible bill that could garner 60 votes in the Senate? I'd imagine it would have to have at least 10 Democratic votes, as people like Paul, Cruz, and Lee I cannot see voting for a bill that would be amenable to 10 Democrats in any way. I mean when it boils down to it when I think of 'fixing' Obamacare I think of providing more generous subsidies and enforcing the individual mandate more strictly. I find it difficult to believe that there would be enough Republicans willing to stomach voting for such a bill. JesusSinfulHands fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Let's say that McConnell makes good on his threat to actually negotiate with Democrats to 'fix' the health insurance market. Is there even a plausible bill that could garner 60 votes in the Senate? I'd imagine it would have to have at least 10 Democratic votes, as people like Paul, Cruz, and Lee I cannot see voting for a bill that would be amenable to 10 Democrats in any way. i'm having a hard time imagining a bill that Republicans could agree to that Democrats could also agree to. Maybe a Medicare for All bill but we let Republicans take credit.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Let's say that McConnell makes good on his threat to actually negotiate with Democrats to 'fix' the health insurance market. Is there even a plausible bill that could garner 60 votes in the Senate? I'd imagine it would have to have at least 10 Democratic votes, as people like Paul, Cruz, and Lee I cannot see voting for a bill that would be amenable to 10 Democrats in any way. Grassley and some other senators floated ending the medical device tax and the employer mandate in exchange for higher subsidies and a stiffer penalty (assuming Hillary was president)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:i'm having a hard time imagining a bill that Republicans could agree to that Democrats could also agree to. They're not going to abandon the health care lobby and move to single-payer unless there's a gun against their head. Hillary's plan made Obamacare slightly more palatable and the GOP should just put their name on that: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brie...one-in-america/ quote:Hillary Clinton’s Commitment: Universal, Quality, Affordable Health Care for Everyone in America
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