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WampaLord posted:Yes, this is a good post. Wait, explain to me how Sanders getting fewer votes than Clinton means that the anti-Hillary base outnumbers the pro-Hillary base?
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Ytlaya posted:There are many times that I've heard someone talk about how rural (implied poor) whites should be sterilized or subject to some sort of voting test. I've tried to point out how hosed up this is in the past, and they dropped the point in order to avoid further conflict, but in a way that makes it clear they didn't actually change their mind. This reminds me; I need to rewatch "Judgement At Nuremburg" again.
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Feldegast42 posted:I think there is enough will right now (fragmented will, but its there) to co-op the Democratic party. Hell, it almost happened twice already in the past year (Sanders coming close to winning the nomination / the party chairman election that Obama meddled in). If the progressives organize and get their guys into office we can take over the party from the bottom up. Citizens United is a big roadblock, but Trump proved you can win elections without (as much) gobs of money and Sanders did well for himself without taking corporate donations. If people work to overthrow the party leadership and then ride the wave against Trump with an actual platform we can take the house by 2018 and the Senate / Presidency by 2020. Bernie meanwhile got a whopping $220 in fundraising donations from his voters alone! Imagine if he got bigger!
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Trabisnikof posted:Wait, explain to me how Sanders getting fewer votes than Clinton means that the anti-Hillary base outnumbers the pro-Hillary base? The same way that the Labour party "lost" in the UK. He had a massive disadvantage and yet got super close anyway. That shows there is interest for these kind of leftist policies, no matter how much idiots like you and JC will go on about how "but he lost, though!" It would be easier to move the party left to get these voters than it will be to convert Republicans. That's kind of the whole thing we learned from 2016.
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WampaLord posted:The same way that the Labour party "lost" in the UK. He had a massive disadvantage and yet got super close anyway. That shows there is interest for these kind of leftist policies, no matter how much idiots like you and JC will go on about how "but he lost, though!"
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There is no reason not to fight, but in all honesty, the DNC and lobbyists are not going to accept a fair primary at this point that threatens their power-structure and they have a ton of ways of making it as difficult as possible for an outsider to get anywhere. Let's admit, the DNC still had the super-delegates in their back pocket in 2016. It is far more important to think outside the context of a primary and 2020, and simply focus on building a more organized and mobilized left-wing movement in the US. If anything the fight should be to try to bridge gaps between FightFor15 groups, BLM, Sanders legacy organizations among others (easier said than done but it needs to happen). I can see Sanders not wanting to run through, he will be 77-78, and I can see wanting to be able to any some type of life after politics. (Also, Sanders only has gotten more popular since he was defeated, partly because people had a chance to know his policies.) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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The Trump thread is the future. No plans to fix anything, just rubbernecking at whatever stupid poo poo the dumb clown is doing and the growing sense of dread at the realization that for some reason everything that is happening feels like a bunch of rich gangsters just pulled off a coup. For some reason. Our demonic aristocracy is ~400 families of unimaginable wealth and power literally trying to murder a million Americans for tax cuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u79hDi6XBwQ These are the people that run the democratic party. They're not going to simply "let" someone antagonistic to their interests use the democratic party as a political vehicle At this point I think the balance of power can only be rectified through the working poor banding together to support a literal mafia that has leverage of more than just money. I think its time to bring the family back into politics. Sneakster fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:but people are still generally happy with the status quo, even if they raise a rabble here and there. most of the left isn't literally starving yet EDIT: Holy poo poo: https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/887019075322302466 The violence inherent to the system is being routed towards people in power? Oh dear, I hope this doesn't hurt property values. Seriously though, the idea of things having reached a point that violence is becoming normalized is terrifying and that the democrats refuse to address this is enraging and depressing. I don't want to live in a society this broken and I don't romanticize the reality of violence as a basis of reform, but I can't delude myself into seeing anything being offered by party leadership as giving any feasible alternative when we're slipping further away from the notion of quality of life of a first world country. E2: An obscure independent socialist with no corporate sponsors went the distance in a national primary against a Clinton, who then went on to lose in the general against a notorious conman from reality TV who publicly stated he sleeps with a copy of Mein Kampf in his dresser. The reality TV candidate was mostly voted in by the upper middle class, who the middle class then blamed on the poor, while the GOP attacked open elections. Within a few months of assuming the office, the openly nazi NBC owned character from the Bachelor turned out to be a puppet of the Russian Mafia who immediately destroyed the state department in the most successful campaign of sabotage in history. He was then investigated in a watergate-dwarfing criminal conspiracy potentially bordering on treason. The GOP started physically assaulting reporters and plotted legislation that would kill hundreds of thousands of Americans leading to the poor rising up and attacking congressmen in what may become open class war. The democrats sat in the corner and called everyone racist. Wow. What a time. Sneakster fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Trabisnikof posted:Wait, explain to me how Sanders getting fewer votes than Clinton means that the anti-Hillary base outnumbers the pro-Hillary base? Hillary's base within the Democratic Party is bigger. With the general electorate, not so much. Independents hate her because she is a pure avatar of the two party system. They like Bernie because he is, like them, an independent who sees how hosed up beyond belief the two party system is.
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You say there's no more young people in congress but that's not true, we have a new, bright Dem congressman in Jon Ossof who's a Pragmatic Progressive who Gets Things Done. Well, I havent checked the news on that race lately but I assume he won it because the Dems spent 90% of their resources on it... Oh Ohhhhhhhhh
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Nanomashoes posted:I assume he won it because the Dems spent 90% of their resources on it... I keep saying it. The southern democrats are dead, the south is literally run by white nationalist mafia power structure, and political party affiliation is practically 1-1 with race in these states. The democrats are not going to dismantle that with an appeal to civility. Bare minimum they have to actually advocate for social programs that could benefit the under class rather than just continue Republican policy while making the lawyers, cops, judges, payday loan shop owners, high way developers, state bureaucrats, and most of the "good people", managerial/professional class and business owners uncomfortable with denting a proto-fascist power structure. These are places based in tradition, violent racist paranoia with fear of reprisal, and the dirtiest cops and backroom deals obscurity can allow. The democrats lost these places, some of the most poverty stricken parts of the country, over embracing civil rights, trying to get them back by offering nothing but support for civil rights is not going to work. They'll have to actually give the underclass something worth risking the wrath of boss Hogg. The rule of law in these states extends as far as white nationalists allow, they wasted no time proving the necessity of the VRA the moment it was repealed. Relying on Trumps wacky retarded bullshit is not going to make any inroads. Christ, they actually ran this trash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rMVNC5l4IM They need a Huey Long or an LBJ, not some spineless child with nothing to offer but bland nothingness that's a brick through a campaign office window away from evaporating.
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tekz posted:Watching a major political institution die in real time is cool  They have learned nothing, nothing.
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tekz posted:Watching a major political institution die in real time is cool Really got to get those suburban Republicans!
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tekz posted:Watching a major political institution die in real time is cool I thought people calling Bush a fascist were being silly back in the day, but school is leading towards an opportunity to maybe get citizenship in a first world country. I think I'm gonna take advantage of that and just keep my US citizenship for tax dodge/shelter purposes. Trump can't restrict emmigration, right? E: Mister Facetious posted:
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tekz posted:Watching a major political institution die in real time is cool That last sentence is staggering in its technical correctness.
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Sephyr posted:Crap, are there still even Blue Dogs left? I thought they'd been eaten alive by Tea Partiers back in 2010. Even worse they're growing quote:In the 2016 election, the Democrats picked up six House seats. Three of the incoming freshmen ran as Blue Dogs: Representatives Tom O’Halleran of Arizona, Stephanie Murphy of Florida and Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey. The DCCC is working with the Blue Dogs to replicate that success on a wider scale next year, said DCCC spokesman Tyler Law.
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Trabisnikof posted:Even worse they're growing HAHAHAHAHA I love how they're listening to cues from the public when it comes to going more conservative cause more blue dogs got elected but when it comes to single payer/medicare for all the fact that most of the country supports it (a bunch of republicans too, I think) holds no sway
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Trabisnikof posted:Wait, explain to me how Sanders getting fewer votes than Clinton means that the anti-Hillary base outnumbers the pro-Hillary base? Martin O'Malley got more votes in the Dem primary than Donald Trump, meaning the MOM base is bigger than the incumbent president's.
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Anyone remember the "Recovery Summer" of 2010, right before the Democrats got completely trashed? -------------------------------------------- Back to the popular vote and more important national approval polls...both of them don't matter. All Trump needs is 269 (he would absolutely win a House vote), and for that he just needs either FL/WI or MI/Penn. quote:Trump’s Approval Stands at 50 Percent in the Counties That Fueled His Win http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/trump-s-approval-stands-50-percent-counties-fueled-his-win-n783151 Trump is deep under water in national polling, but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't able to get just enough votes together in a few critically countries for the electoral votes he needs. If anything a concentration on national approval is completely self-destructive, the important issue is how people specifically in those rust belt states/Florida think about him and in all honesty thats really the only thing that matters (even other traditional battleground states are relatively secondary at this point). While there was a drop support in both "flip" and "surge" countries, it doesn't mean he is out of contention even with the current shitstorm. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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