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https://twitter.com/mindthet/status/880114618684891136mindthet posted:Genders: two https://twitter.com/serious_content/status/880115178544799752 serious_content posted:peak was Milo fans splicing the differences between different grades of pedophile https://twitter.com/marty_freudman/status/880118954290692096 marty_freudman posted:Showing my intimate knowledge of ages of consent worldwide surely proved I was not a pedophilia apologist
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Fututor Magnus posted:hey, if it works for scott. i find it hilarious that scott knows every petty detail of neoreactionary thought and can bring it up at a moment's notice, usually to correct some mean sjw who cares about nothing but mischaracterizing reactos, but has literally no conception of what anyone to the left of the democratic party line thinks (other than what neoreactionaries think about them, of course). I don't think this is entirely true - Scott reads people like Nathan Robinson and Freddie DeBoer regularly - but he does definitely interpret them in a confused way, because he lacks a lot of the background knowledge (the inferential distance is high, to use LW language.) It doesn't help that he seems to have gotten his main ideas on how Marxism works from Peter Singer's extremely weak gloss. But Marxist thought is getting more common in general, and increasingly being read by establishment center-left types if only to be refuted rather than simply dismissed, so I think in general that may be less of a problem as time goes on.
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Fututor Magnus posted:hey, if it works for scott. i find it hilarious that scott knows every petty detail of neoreactionary thought and can bring it up at a moment's notice, usually to correct some mean sjw who cares about nothing but mischaracterizing reactos, but has literally no conception of what anyone to the left of the democratic party line thinks (other than what neoreactionaries think about them, of course). Anything they actually give as an argument is disingenuous because signalling, so he makes up a version of their position he thinks he would hold if he were deducing their beliefs from first principles, and then argues that. This is charity. Somehow.
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Oligopsony posted:I don't think this is entirely true - Scott reads people like Nathan Robinson and Freddie DeBoer regularly - but he does definitely interpret them in a confused way, because he lacks a lot of the background knowledge (the inferential distance is high, to use LW language.) It doesn't help that he seems to have gotten his main ideas on how Marxism works from Peter Singer's extremely weak gloss. But Marxist thought is getting more common in general, and increasingly being read by establishment center-left types if only to be refuted rather than simply dismissed, so I think in general that may be less of a problem as time goes on. of course he reads them because his general milieu (including neoreactionaries) reads deboer, and it's unremarkable that that hasn't helped scott one loving bit in understanding things any better. it's less that he "lacks a lot of the background knowledge", or well, he does, but the reason he and his ilk interpret deboer so shittily is because of why they read him. they read and follow him because he criticizes a lot of the social justice and identity politics garbage in the left, and the general programme and tactics of the mainstream left in america. and he realized that a lot of his followers were lovely reactionaries and conservatives, like razib khan, which is how eventually scott and the rationalists caught onto him.
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"I built my brand on attacking the oppressed and now my fanbase is full of terrible people, how did this happen?!?!"
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Pope Guilty posted:"I built my brand on attacking the oppressed and now my fanbase is full of terrible people, how did this happen?!?!" "but gosh I keep finding myself agreeing with these people I talk with all the time HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED"
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Cavelcade posted:So this probably isn't the right place for this article about racist British comic strips about the Irish (from the 1800s to today!) but I don't know where is and Jesus Christ.
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Rangpur posted:It's a bit six degrees of separation, but 'the Irish had it just as bad' is a trope much beloved by DE types who deign to admit racism exists at all.
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Oligopsony posted:I don't think this is entirely true - Scott reads people like Nathan Robinson and Freddie DeBoer regularly - but he does definitely interpret them in a confused way, because he lacks a lot of the background knowledge (the inferential distance is high, to use LW language.) It doesn't help that he seems to have gotten his main ideas on how Marxism works from Peter Singer's extremely weak gloss. But Marxist thought is getting more common in general, and increasingly being read by establishment center-left types if only to be refuted rather than simply dismissed, so I think in general that may be less of a problem as time goes on. Who are these people? I can't even find a Wikipedia page about them.
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Josef bugman posted:Who are these people? I can't even find a Wikipedia page about them. Freddie DeBoer is a guy who blogs and writes articles sometimes. He's left-wing but spends a lot of time criticizing things he dislikes on the left, which is probably why people like Razib Khan and Scott Alexander respond well to him. No idea about Robinson
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Freddie DeBoer is a guy who blogs and writes articles sometimes. Thanks!
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Robinson is the editor of Current Affairs.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Literally a Sideshow Bob quote also funny because got and asoiaf is pretty clear about how absolute monarchy is a loving terrible system. the show less so but that's because it's poo poo.
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How can anyone watch GoT and think "I want to live in a place like that"? Jesus loving Christ. I mean maybe it's a little less obvious for the male characters, but they still get pretty regularly tortured, murdered, etc., even if they don't get raped all the goddamn time like the female characters.
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pookel posted:How can anyone watch GoT and think "I want to live in a place like that"? Jesus loving Christ. I mean maybe it's a little less obvious for the male characters, but they still get pretty regularly tortured, murdered, etc., even if they don't get raped all the goddamn time like the female characters. The right thinks every "strong leader" is a ned stark, but the left thinks they're mostly Ramsey or Joffery.
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pookel posted:How can anyone watch GoT and think "I want to live in a place like that"? Jesus loving Christ. I mean maybe it's a little less obvious for the male characters, but they still get pretty regularly tortured, murdered, etc., even if they don't get raped all the goddamn time like the female characters. I assume the same way people play Fallout New Vegas and come to the conclusion that actually Caesar is the good guy
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pookel posted:How can anyone watch GoT and think "I want to live in a place like that"? Jesus loving Christ. I mean maybe it's a little less obvious for the male characters, but they still get pretty regularly tortured, murdered, etc., even if they don't get raped all the goddamn time like the female characters. They think that they would somehow be the ones thriving in a society like that. They wouldn't, but that's what they think.
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ikanreed posted:The right thinks every "strong leader" is a ned stark, but the left thinks they're mostly Ramsey or Joffery. ETA: If I *had* to live in that world, I guess maybe I could handle Dorn? Everywhere else is terrible, though.
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GoT is an excellent piece of anarchist propaganda, because it demonstrates that hierarchy is always bad regardless of how well meaning the person at the top is
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ate all the Oreos posted:I assume the same way people play Fallout New Vegas and come to the conclusion that actually Caesar is the good guy I knew someone that liked the caeser quests and then tried to defend Duke Nukem Forever and I stopped talking to them
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ate all the Oreos posted:I assume the same way people play Fallout New Vegas and come to the conclusion that actually Caesar is the good guy Of course, Mr House also offers stability, protection, and wealth, without crucifying people, so there goes that argument.
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darthbob88 posted:Of course, Mr House also offers stability, protection, and wealth, without crucifying people, so there goes that argument. or enslaving you or raping you because you're a woman or forcing you to march up against dudes with guns while wearing football pads and a lovely spear made from scrap metal because you're just a lowly recruit caesar did not have any good points because anything good he happened to said was just justification for his own horrible ideals so he didn't feel like the monster he was
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If I had to force a single political slant from GoT it would probably be a conservative "political order is very fragile" one, but really the book series is too smart*, and the TV series too dumb, to have that kind of singular thesis. (Douthat is still plausibly right about a portion of the audience, though. I mean, he's obviously projecting - remember his goofy meditations on "Gladiator?" - but there are a lot of mini-Douthats out there to project accurately onto.) *If only by virtue of being thousands of pages long and at being at least somewhat thoughtful about it.
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The idea that dictatorship is stable or safe for anybody at all is a fantasy.
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Pope Guilty posted:The idea that dictatorship is stable or safe for anybody at all is a fantasy. Hell the best position to be in in that case would be the dictator themselves and even then you're constantly being eyed up for any sign of weakness by all your underlings and targeted for assassination by all your enemies.
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Please don't dou that, Ross
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Slime posted:or enslaving you or raping you because you're a woman or forcing you to march up against dudes with guns while wearing football pads and a lovely spear made from scrap metal because you're just a lowly recruit TBF, if a point being used to justify something horrible and save the speaker's image delegitimizes it, then there's no such thing as a good point.
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C-SPAM is reading the Kill All Normies book if anyone has Views on that.
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Pope Guilty posted:The idea that dictatorship is stable or safe for anybody at all is a fantasy. A monarch would protect the freedom of the market!
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Please don't dou that, Ross
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MizPiz posted:TBF, if a point being used to justify something horrible and save the speaker's image delegitimizes it, then there's no such thing as a good point. i bet you believe Mussolini made the trains run on time
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Say No To Life posted:In other news, one of my favourite bloggers is active again: Louie over on 'Everything is Pointless'. He also has a new podcast show up and running. For some reason, I've having trouble embedding the addresses on the blog-list, but he can be found at The new generation of nihilists is still worse, though. https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2015/04/06/bleaker-than-bleak-by-paul-j-ennis/
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danger-carpet posted:Louie Savva was an idiot and a scumbag, although this wasn't fully apparent unless you read the comment threads on his posts, which he has since deleted. Wrong, Paul Ennis is fine and good.
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Stop trying to make this thread be about random grad students who are like, eight degrees of separation away from anyone mildly alt-right.
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pookel posted:How can anyone watch GoT and think "I want to live in a place like that"? Jesus loving Christ. I mean maybe it's a little less obvious for the male characters, but they still get pretty regularly tortured, murdered, etc., even if they don't get raped all the goddamn time like the female characters.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Wrong, Paul Ennis is fine and good.
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