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empty whippet box posted:So your plan to attract leftists who have dutifully voted (D) for over a decade, and are tired of the party continuing to go further right, is to insult them and pretend their concerns are nonsense? Great strategy, after all Hillary won by three million votes doing the same thing in 2016 so how could this possibly go wrong? If they can't point to the slightest scrap of proof for this supposed slide rightward and instead just keep throwing around the word Centrist in the way Fox would Socialist, Terrorist or Radical? Yes! Show me what part of the Democratic platform of 2016 was more right wing than the Democratic platform of 2008. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Forgall posted:As long as people like you are in control of Democratic party it will keep losing no matter how anyone in this thread votes. I'm not in control of the Democratic Party and have no need to lie about who is and isn't a worthless shitlord because I'm not running for office but you go right on threatening to support republicans if literally everyone who votes democratic isn't nice to you.
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if I ran for office there wouldn't be one "deplorables" or "clinging to their guns and religion" comment it would likely happen every other day, which is one of the many reasons I am not a politician
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evilweasel posted:if I ran for office there wouldn't be one "deplorables" or "clinging to their guns and religion" comment it would likely happen every other day, which is one of the many reasons I am not a politician I'd say "that didn't stop trump", but you're probably too principled to commit treason, and don't have a propaganda engine on your side.
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So wait, now McConnel just wants to yank out the ACA and wait two years to craft a replacement? What are the odds of that getting through?
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Jonas Albrecht posted:So wait, now McConnel just wants to yank out the ACA and wait two years to craft a replacement? What are the odds of that getting through? Slimmer than the odds of the replacement bill that failed miserably.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:So wait, now McConnel just wants to yank out the ACA and wait two years to craft a replacement? What are the odds of that getting through?
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Guys, I think the GOP is bad.
Jonas Albrecht fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Shady Amish Terror posted:I don't know how much I have to contribute to the topic, but it's sort of fascinating the vitriol that intrapolitical squabbles bring out here. It's like radicalization in miniature. For the democrats, it seems to fall into two camps of 'vote the less evil person during the general elections' and 'vote for the more progressive person in the primaries'. These positions aren't actually at odds. These positions aren't actually at odds. But then somehow this seems to breed a corollary of 'don't vote for centrists (even in the general if they won the primary)', and 'don't vote for progressives (even in the primary)'. It doesn't seem to matter which posters take which tack, the brush is spread wide. And then this big dumb argument gets relitigated every few pages. very very few people here have said the bold bit and those that have are wrong and dumb
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Guy, I think the GOP is bad. Bold claim.
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evilweasel posted:if I ran for office there wouldn't be one "deplorables" or "clinging to their guns and religion" comment it would likely happen every other day, which is one of the many reasons I am not a politician At the very least, the Dems should run a few suicide candidates in non-competitive R districts to throw poo poo at the wall, and see what sticks.
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Fulchrum posted:15 goddamn seconds later. I like how backing wildly popular legislation that would help almost every single American isn't even considered as an option for winning because a few ultrarich donors oppose it. "But how will we get into power if Americans want single payer and we don't want to pass it "
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VitalSigns posted:I like how backing wildly popular legislation that would help almost every single American isn't even considered as an option for winning because a few ultrarich donors oppose it. first, single payer is a concept, not a piece of legislation. pieces of legislation get scored, pieces of legislation have unpopular sections like "everyone will now have to pay this much more in taxes to pay for this" and "we're going to nationalize 20% of our economy, hope it works out, if you lose your job don't worry about it its fine" second, 33% isn't wildly popular - http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/339247-poll-support-grows-for-single-payer-healthcare
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empty whippet box posted:Here's the problem: I have voted for people with (D) by their name all my life even though not one of them other than sanders actually preached what I believed. I've been a dutiful democrat this whole time and they just keep moving further right. So do you actually vote in primaries? And not just presidential ones? Because that's the only way you're going to make any difference whatsoever, no matter how small, in whether you get a lovely Democrat or a non-lovely Democrat onto the ticket.
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https://twitter.com/JesseInOH/statu...from-surgery%2F This is what McCain has to show for all his loyal support of right-wing policies over the years, just because of that one time he told that racist old woman to use her inside voice.
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Did I suddenly wander into the Democrats are a Waste thread? C'mon, tweet, you orange gently caress, tweet.
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Agents are GO! posted:Did I suddenly wander into the Democrats are a Waste thread? Send him a bran muffin.
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Mustached Demon posted:Send him a bran muffin. If I could send The King In Orange something, it likely would not be a bran muffin.
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Agents are GO! posted:If I could send The King In Orange something, it likely would not be a bran muffin. I don't think an actual turd would end up reaching him.
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VitalSigns posted:I like how backing wildly popular legislation that would help almost every single American isn't even considered as an option for winning because a few ultrarich donors oppose it. WHAT did I say? "Dems actually hate all leftist policy and just serve their donors, gently caress them" is so hard wired into leftists brains, running on it would only hurt them.
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Fulchrum posted:If they can't point to the slightest scrap of proof for this supposed slide rightward and instead just keep throwing around the word Centrist in the way Fox would Socialist, Terrorist or Radical? Yes! It's best to swing back twenty years, rather than 8. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29611 Democratic Party, 1996 posted:Introduction https://www.democrats.org/party-platform Democratic Party, 2016 posted:Preamble Of course, I'm firmly of the opinion that the Dems realized with Obama that it's best to campaign on progressiveness and govern on your actual ideals rather than show your hand and lose millennial voters. e: For funsies let's hop back another 20 and see what happened http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29606 Democratic Party, 1976 posted:Preamble Grapplejack fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:I don't think an actual turd would end up reaching him. If I could I'd send him a bucket of HF with "KFC!!" Sharpied over the label.
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Boy, the Democratic party sure have changed since 1828.
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The SCOTUS stay on the ban is falling apart bit by bit. Hopefully good news? https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/887254526591369216
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Reading over that it's actually pretty interesting to see how the 2016 plank places less emphasis on "America" and way more emphasis on our place within the world at large.Avirosb posted:Boy, the Democratic party sure have changed since 1828. 20 years is enough of a hop that people who were juniors or just getting started have become party leaders. It's a much more effective to look at shifts a party goes through generationally rather than per election.
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Mustached Demon posted:If I could I'd send him a bucket of HF with "KFC!!" Sharpied over the label. please i'd send him a lovingly handcrafted note reminding him that his exploits have made the surname "trump" a laughingstock to the entire world and all but the absolute godawfully stupidest 97% of americans and will remain so for generations, long after everybody on this earth have shuffled off this mortal coil
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i like cutting deep, basically
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Craig K posted:please Fake News!!!! No really I'm not serious at all. HFs just hilariously toxic and I want a magical fluorinated bullet to end the madness.
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Most of us are of the age that we just so happened to grow up in the era of Democrats swinging towards the center. They did it because it worked and it started under Bill Clinton in 1992. It is not written in stone. I don't expect the people who have been in power for 25 years thanks to Clinton centrism to just be like yeah ok, let's go hard left guys. Pre 1992 Democrats were much more liberal but also caricatures of ineffectiveness. There's a reason they did it. Remember when common wisdom was that only Democrats with southern accents could actually win the presidency? loving poo poo man, Watergate happened, Carter got elected, and after ONE term the public was like gently caress it Ronnies got a handsome smile. GOP 4 Lyfe. So give it some time. I still think there's a wave of Sanders inspired candidates coming in the near and long term. Will not surprise me to see Dem candidates get primaried from the left the same way Republicans have. I've seen it already at the local level. I think Bernie will be the Goldwater of the left and that's not an insult. 20 years from now we'll be reading about how so and so started his/her political career knocking on doors for Sanders.
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Pre 1992 the Democrats had control of the House and Senate almost uninterrupted from the 30s though?
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kislyak for all of his espionage gets to be a senator and live a life of wealth and power until his inevitable massive coronary https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/887263030903533569
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paternity suitor posted:I think Bernie will be the Goldwater of the left and that's not an insult. 20 years from now we'll be reading about how so and so started his/her political career knocking on doors for Sanders. Goldwater would nowadays be a massive RINO, considering he was opposed to the religious right, was pro-abortion and became a gay rights advocate late in life because of his grandson Ty Ross. Never thought I would think that Barry fuckin' Goldwater would be drat better than the current GOP crop.
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Pre 1992 the Democrats had control of the House and Senate almost uninterrupted from the 30s though? Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary, and company saw the Democratic party of their youth fall apart and become unelectable. For some reason, they can't comprehend that the rules have changed again, and are still acting like it's the mid-90s.
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Lightning Lord posted:Goldwater would nowadays be a massive RINO, considering he was opposed to the religious right, was pro-abortion and became a gay rights advocate late in life because of his grandson Ty Ross. Nah, Goldwater would probably just be another Rand Paul.
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It would be really nice to see the democratic party take the initiative on something... I hear encouraging stuff out of state and local politics, more effort to bring in young people, more interest in locall organizational positions. I'm not seeing a lot out of the DNC, I'm hoping they're still heavily restaffing under Perez and Ellison. I haven't heard much of or from the dccc.
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Randbrick posted:It would be really nice to see the democratic party take the initiative on something... I hear encouraging stuff out of state and local politics, more effort to bring in young people, more interest in locall organizational positions. https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/sta...-bumper-sticker
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Obama and holder are still on track to head up their redistricting task force, too. My understanding is they're using a two-pronged approach, wielding the star power of Obama and other big names to help swing key elections on the state level, and litigating on the legal side to bring an end to gerrymandering. You'll see a lot more out of them as the summer and fall progress, because the first big challenge for them is the Virginia state level elections this fall.
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silicone thrills posted:Anyone think the Mar A Lago logs will be fruitful? I feel like they, at the very least, will be entertaining. Escorts and Russian Mobsters I'm guessing.
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Breitbart part 2 When the civil war starts I'm all for putting bounties on all these traitors heads. - WANT to Make America Great: DISBAND DC and politicians. THEY are and will forever BE the problem. They DON'T REPRESENT: they LINE THEIR WITH POCKETS WITH $$$, power and control and WANT BIG BIG GOVT.... Doesn't matter if you are a R or a D: SAME PROBLEM. I DESPISE and DETEST every breathing one of them, LIVING like kings and queens OFF OUR TAXES and MUCH GREATER and BETTER than we do or can BECAUSE OF THEM...You can name 4-5 that don't deserve this, but not many more.... - I know ThREE PEOPLE on medicaid, one drove a Ferrari, one never paid taxes and one grew up with masnions and benzes!!! I KID U NOT!!!!! -Note: share:to lib scumbgz, its ok ur fcnn golden boy obama added 43% to welfare rolls, dropped billions in cash to Iran, built mosques at 100 mil tax $$, destroyed habius corpus, killed the only stable country in Afrikas leader Kadaffi to stop his currency competeting with the euro and dollar, allowed Clinton to use arab spring as an excuse to do it and destabilize africa and flood the world with starving refugees, caused 30 special forces to GET KILLED not allowing them to fight the enemy, ACLU said hes destroying civil liberties, admitted his policies helped top 1% get richer, used a MONSANTO exec to advise FDA, let cops get executed with Holder kissing blm azzes, tried to kill the middle class by regulations and taxes ( they provide over 52% of all jobs) , ran a corrupt Doj, used the IRS to punish his enemies, let masses of illegal gang members into our nation, gave ge and cisco massive tax breaks , saw cities burn with riots ( but it was ok since they then qualify for billions in federL funds that they divy up behind the scenes) decimated our military, and tripled our debt.....thats all ok with - Another libbie living in La-la Land. Or are you one of the worthless welfare leeches who got insurance on everyone else's dime? Most people aren't pathetic pieces of garbage that depend on the government to pay for everything for them, and I think they'll welcome the repeal, getting insurance that is actually useful again, and not having to pay for stuff they'll never use, like maternity benefits for men.
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awesmoe posted:first, single payer is a concept, not a piece of legislation. pieces of legislation get scored, pieces of legislation have unpopular sections like "everyone will now have to pay this much more in taxes to pay for this" and "we're going to nationalize 20% of our economy, hope it works out, if you lose your job don't worry about it its fine" Approval shoots up over 60% when you call it Medicare-for-all , you probably already know that tho
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