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CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

EnergizerFellow posted:

You weren't kidding. Here's this nice juicy little gem from the author of Seth Stephens-Davidowitz:


Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/09/everybody-lies-how-google-reveals-darkest-secrets-seth-stephens-davidowitz

The relevant part of all of that is that, according to the author, the trends say that there was *not* a spike in white nationalism (ie membership in places like Storm front and racist searches) right before or after Trump's election. Rather, it happened immediate after Obama's election and stayed relatively consistent through until Trump was elected, where there was a comparitively small jump.

This implies that the spike in visible white nationalism is not due to a sudden radicalization of whites but instead, as we suspected, a shift of people being more comfortable voicing opinions that they already had for a long time.

Never take science at face value, especially not pop science, but it's really interesting how those kinds of things can emerge.

E. Apparently that article is the whole book? Nice

CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jul 18, 2017

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Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Flip Yr Wig posted:

But hey, we may yet get the house.

HA!

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

Nobody knows what it means because it's a made up thing.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

Basically.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

Same as it is with Credit Cards... you know all those options of getting a card from a company in Idaho or the other company in Idaho.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

Selling insurance across state lines is just a talking point for morons. There is no federal law preventing it from happening now. Just state regulation.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

Basically, but every company just instantly relocates to wherever has the least stringent regulations (probably Delaware or something) and all insurance become poo poo.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

It means literally nothing, benefit packages are built with local or national network providers in mind depending on the group. It makes no sense for an insurer operating in eastern Missouri to sell their benefits to someone in Chicago with its own tangle of hospital chains, pharmacies, and other providers who may or may not play ball with eastern Missouri rates. All it would do is add expense.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Javes posted:

Selling insurance across state lines is such a dumb thing that's held up as the one weird trick solution that will fix everything by conservatives. Not to mention it requires 60 votes, right?

"No really, its easy. Just buy it from this company that you can't even find listed in the phone books of this area 3000 miles away from you on the other-side of the country. You'll love the junk bond, especially because buying it means you'll never have access to any other deal ever again!'

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

I was under the impression that it basically lets Insurers choose a state whose laws they'd like to be regulated by, opening everyone up to declare that they're headquartered in Texas or some similarly deregulated shithole and thereby don't need to offer anything to anyone in the country but cheap worthless plans or good plans that cost a king's ransom.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

I believe that people who are for selling insurance across state lines are convinced that insurance companies will either become more competitive, or consolidate and become more competitive.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004
People get upset when other states have cheaper health insurance. The problem is the vast majority of that difference in cost is that the hospitals and doctors in those states are cheaper, and you can't price the insurance of someone in one state based on the providers in the other state. "Selling across state lines" has absolutely no impact on this because it's not something you can change.

Also, there is a TON of competition for health insurance. Just because there are counties with 1 health insurer on the individual marketplace doesn't mean that insurer isn't competing with other major insurers for group and medicare/medicaid business.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

WHOOPS posted:

I'm curious if this would even work. Like, part of the reason the GOP could whip consistent support around "repeal Obamacare" was because a large part of their voter base didn't connect it to their own health insurance. That's out of the bag now - I'd like to think a plan to primary a Senator on the basis of repealing Obamacare is only going to work with the 17% that supported it.

it feels a lot more like a few rich assholes trying to rule the country via intimidation and exploiting citizens united. problem is gerrymandering still doesn't alleviate you from the people that still need to loving vote for your lovely candidate to win.

holy gently caress I hope they empty their coffers and only have horrible losses to show for it

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

WHOOPS posted:

I'm curious if this would even work. Like, part of the reason the GOP could whip consistent support around "repeal Obamacare" was because a large part of their voter base didn't connect it to their own health insurance. That's out of the bag now - I'd like to think a plan to primary a Senator on the basis of repealing Obamacare is only going to work with the 17% that supported it.

Primary voters tend to be more extreme in their ideology than general election voters, so appealing to that 17% might just be a winning strategy for a primary.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Tempest_56 posted:

Top level? It's looting. Who cares if the entire system implodes in ten years? They'll be dead/retired in Aruba/pulling six figures from a think-tank to do nothing but sit around. Most of the career politicians who care about things like agendas and plans were eaten alive in 2010-2012.

Bottom level? They have no idea what any of those words actually mean. It's cargo cult stuff - small government = good. Period. They're convinced that the government can operate and do all the good things it does (fund the military, provide the billions of near-invisible ancillary services, fund the military, provide Medicare) for 1/10th of what it does now. All you have to do is eliminate the waste, and then their tax bill - their personal taxes - will be zero without giving anything up. And this has to be true, because they've been getting told since the 1970s that the government is wasteful and frivolous with spending. And when the slashed spending doesn't drop the tax bill AND reduces the services they get, well. Time to blame the other party, because tribal politics.

All this because someone once said "$30,000 toilet seat"

Throwing Turtles
May 3, 2015

Your kid has cancer and you can't afford treatment.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Smol posted:

What does selling insurance across state lines even mean? That you can buy insurance regulated by state X standards even though you live in Y?

It's a talking point designed to click with free market morons. It relies on the listener not knowing enough about how healthcare works.

We have several states that already allow it. Nobody does it, for the reasons other posters gave.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Ah but have you all considered... tort reform? :smaug:

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Mister Adequate posted:

Ah but have you all considered... tort reform? :smaug:

You know it's funny, they don't really talk about tort reform anymore... do they....

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/887420896801107968

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Crow Jane posted:

A million years ago I was briefly gently caress buddies with a dude that is now on the city council. He seems like he turned out pretty okay, but it's pretty jarring seeing him look all proper

Hell of a opener for this page, and I'm out of dog pictures, so have my friend's dog, Stannis:



Ryan Dorsey or Zeke Cohen?

Also I went to Ekiben last night, because you mentioned it and I hadn't had it in a week or so.

As for goon politics relations:

I've met and my dads family knows Steney Hoyer pretty well.

My GF used to work on the hill and knows most of the republican house members. She also voted for McMullian because he used to buy her breakfast.

Edit: I really don't care to know I just want to bag on zeke cohen for being a piece of poo poo. Not that he's done anything wrong per se. But he hilariously inflated his background in his campaign stuff and it really rubbed me the wrong way.

freeasinbeer fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jul 18, 2017

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

mcmagic posted:

You know it's funny, they don't really talk about tort reform anymore... do they....

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/887420896801107968

So this is a "please pay my lawyers" rally right

Squack McQuack
Nov 20, 2013

by Modern Video Games

Azhais posted:

So Trump's invincible?

Indestructible...

ploots
Mar 19, 2010

Punkbob posted:

Ryan Dorsey or Zeke Cohen?

Also I went to Ekiben last night, because you mentioned it and I hadn't had it in a week or so.

As for goon politics relations:

I've met and my dads family knows Steney Hoyer pretty well.

My GF used to work on the hill and knows most of the republican house members. She also voted for McMullian because he used to buy her breakfast.

Please say it was mcmuffins

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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My dad was friends with Joe Lieberman.

He's also an utter piece of poo poo. Actually they both are.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

mcmagic posted:

You know it's funny, they don't really talk about tort reform anymore... do they....

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/887420896801107968

I long for the day Trump does a rally and the only people who show up are protesters.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Covok posted:

I long for the day Trump does a rally and the only people who show up are protesters.

That day won't come.

Throwing Turtles
May 3, 2015

Covok posted:

I long for the day Trump does a rally and the only people who show up are protesters.

I don't want the protesters to have signs or anything. Just look like average Trump supporters sitting stone faced and silent while he talks. Then after 10 minutes or so they quietly get up and leave.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Throwing Turtles posted:

I don't want the protesters to have signs or anything. Just look like average Trump supporters sitting stone faced and silent while he talks. Then after 10 minutes or so they quietly get up and leave.

:fap: :fap: :fap:

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

mcmagic posted:

My dad was friends with Joe Lieberman.

He's also an utter piece of poo poo. Actually they both are.

Apples, trees, etc

eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Throwing Turtles posted:

I don't want the protesters to have signs or anything. Just look like average Trump supporters sitting stone faced and silent while he talks. Then after 10 minutes or so they quietly get up and leave.

God drat.

This could be a category on pornhub.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004
My dad was the national campaign director for Perot in 92. I got go to to one of Mr. Perot's birthday parties.

Reik fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jul 18, 2017

marshmonkey
Dec 5, 2003

I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.

:v:
Switchblade Switcharoo
https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/887423320345497600
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/887420733906989056

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

mcmagic posted:

You know it's funny, they don't really talk about tort reform anymore... do they....

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/887420896801107968

Good thing he's doing it next week, you wouldn't want to visit Youngstown during 'made in America' week. It's a town that was wrecked even worse than Detroit when the steel and rubber industry left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown,_Ohio#Economy They lost 40k jobs in one day in the 70's--yikes.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


Oh cool. Secret meetings between heads of state. That sounds great.

marshmonkey
Dec 5, 2003

I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.

:v:
Switchblade Switcharoo
"Bremmer said in an interview with Bloomberg's Charlie Rose that the rapport that Trump established with Putin during the summit is "clearly his best personal relationship" with a G-20 leader."

trickybiscuits
Jan 13, 2008

yospos
Interesting article from the New Yorker: How Trump Is Transforming Rural America. It seems like a lot of the research was done before July but I don't imagine people's opinions have changed htat much since then.

quote:

We were at a coffee shop, and Patterson wore his goth look: silver jewelry, painted nails. “I’ve never been this emotionally invested in a political leader in my life,” he said. “The more they hate him, the more I want him to succeed. Because what they hate about him is what they hate about me.”

what

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

Most transparent president ever!!

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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empty whippet box posted:

Apples, trees, etc

lovely.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Rush was just Freaking Out, good day to hatelisten

Details? Link? Can you post it in the RWM thread?

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