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Injuryprone posted:Which deck is this? I like Skaabs and emerge. Here you go - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-u-r-emergea#paper
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uPen posted:Just ban everything then nobody can complain about broken decks. Welcome to current standard which is in a pretty cool place right now.
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Entropic posted:The UR Skaab / Emerge deck is at least tier 2 in standard right now and I think the only > $5 cards in it are the Spirebluff Canals, Wandering Fumaroles and Kozilek's Returns. Speaking of K Return, can anyone explain to me this discrepancy between MTGO and Paper with this card? https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Oath+of+the+Gatewatch/Kozileks+Return#online Usually paper is more expensive but with heavily played cards on MTGO sometimes they jump ahead of paper. This one I can't figure out for the life of me, 5 in paper and over 20 online? Thought-Knot Seer and a few other cards have similarly spiked on MTGO.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:42
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My guess is because that draft format loving sucked
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GonSmithe posted:My guess is because that draft format loving sucked It's part this, and I think partly how appealing the card is to a spike. There are far fewer casual players online to prop up prices of non-competitive cards, which means those competitive cards get more expensive. I'm not sure how accurate that theory is, but it's always the spikiest cards that this happens to (Sphinx's Rev and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy were both more expensive online than paper for most of their standard presence as well, not sure how they stand now).
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The Shortest Path posted:I'm okay with most of this but what the actual gently caress are those unbans? 20 life and aggro decks being a thing?
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GonSmithe posted:My guess is because that draft format loving sucked Doesn't appear to be set related, as Spell Queller and Selfless Spirit are also behaving similarly, while other rares and mythics in the same sets aren't or follow normal trends. Being slightly higher online is fine, prices also decline slower in paper. Spell Queller being 14 online and only 5 in paper? Seems weird as hell, I wonder if there is some market manipulation or something.
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Jul 19, 2017 00:08
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Entropic posted:
Your hyperbolic nihilism is so refreshingly new on the internet. Anyways, they promote Modern and that isn't selling many packs for Wizards. If they're trying to develop a involvement treadmill, having an entrance that isn't gated behind repeatedly getting your teeth kicked in at $15 a pop isn't a bad idea. WotC jumped on EDH as a casual engagement method, while ignoring that it has such a huge spectrum of power levels. Plus the price floor isn't really low and the ceiling is insane. SilverBlack, or whatever you'd want to call it, would at least leave a tightly banded power range for cheap. Newer players would still lose but be more able to learn because they would have easier access to all tools that defeat them. I'm not suggesting it become a protour thing, but as a format for newer players or kids who ostensibly cannot and should not spend $150 for a deck to be viable it gives a good foundation. At least the format is a hit among my friend's kids. It's fun hearing the stories shift from kids begging their folks to buy whatever rare beat them to how they're pulling off cool things with the boxes of cards I drop off.
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Archenteron posted:20 life and aggro decks being a thing? By the Bruse Tarl ban, they don't like aggro decks either!
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Jul 19, 2017 00:15
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maybe the trick is to just end standard and replace it with frontier
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gif Probst posted:maybe the trick is to just end standard and replace it with frontier 4-color JVP vs. collected company vs. brutal red aggro is cool in its own way but maybe not the best thing to sell to the newbies.
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Jul 19, 2017 00:21
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They'd also have to reprint a load of stuff cos lol if you held on to JVP while it was $90+
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gif Probst posted:maybe the trick is to just end standard and replace it with frontier With what?
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bringing back event decks that are Actually Decent And Playable would also probably help newer casual players. the mono-black event deck i got when i got back into mtg during born of the gods did well and i was able to go 4-1 knocked out at top 8 with it, which was more than i was expecting.
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uninverted posted:4-color JVP vs. collected company vs. brutal red aggro is cool in its own way but maybe not the best thing to sell to the newbies.
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gif Probst posted:maybe the trick is to just end standard and replace it with frontier Don't even joke about this.
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AceClown posted:They'd also have to reprint a load of stuff cos lol if you held on to JVP while it was $90+ Hey. I've found uses for the 6 of them since they rotated. Mainly commander decks and my janky As Foretold brews. 
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Jul 19, 2017 01:05
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:By the Bruse Tarl ban, they don't like aggro decks either! So again, I don't really know anything about paper duel commander but how could Bruse Tarl be bannable?
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suicidesteve posted:So again, I don't really know anything about paper duel commander but how could Bruse Tarl be bannable? Hyper efficient aggro and anti-aggro commander. With partner to boot. What other Boros commander would you realistically run over him?
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Marketing New Brain posted:Speaking of K Return, can anyone explain to me this discrepancy between MTGO and Paper with this card? https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Oath+of+the+Gatewatch/Kozileks+Return#online Paper tends to have a lot of 1$-5$ rares while in MTGO where everyone dumps their draft cards to bots so the market is way more liquid you have almost all the cards in the set being virtually worthless (i.e. worth like 0.001 tickets) with the few rares from each set that people actually want for constructed holding all of the value, especially if they're mythic.
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AceClown posted:lol if you held on to JVP while it was $90+  . Oh well, I'll probably just put them in my cube eventually.
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AceClown posted:They'd also have to reprint a load of stuff cos lol if you held on to JVP while it was $90+ I traded my one JVP for two Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, I regret nothing.
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Jul 19, 2017 01:35
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please do not buy anything over $25 from star city
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:please do not buy anything over $25 from star city Conspiracy theories on the 'net are that they're trying to drive up prices a la what they did (and failed to maintain) with JTMS and City of Traitors but succeeded with other cards. Supposedly their buylist prices are up as well. Wouldn't surprise me if we see an announcement in the near future that they're adding more legacy back into their event schedule
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Dehtraen posted:Conspiracy theories on the 'net are that they're trying to drive up prices a la what they did (and failed to maintain) with JTMS and City of Traitors but succeeded with other cards. Supposedly their buylist prices are up as well. Wouldn't surprise me if we see an announcement in the near future that they're adding more legacy back into their event schedule There's also speculation they're buying heavily into reserve list cards with the idea that the new Masters set will drop price on other cards and prop up demand on duals. Makes some sense. I'd kill for more legacy events though
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All this talk of $700 ZEN Standard and duals buyouts reminds me: wasn't it SCG's bold plan of buying out ZEN fetches while they were still in print that created those $500 manabases, destroying Standard attendance to a point where it never recovered? I remember hearing a story that SCG buyers were going to all the dealer tables at a major GP and buying out all the fetches, and raising their buylist prices online, and suddenly the average fetchland went from $12 to $30. Standard attendance probably would have recovered by now if WotC didn't print five cards they needed to ban, but nobody wanted to play in $700 Standard.
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Jul 19, 2017 03:46
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Entropic posted:Paper tends to have a lot of 1$-5$ rares while in MTGO where everyone dumps their draft cards to bots so the market is way more liquid you have almost all the cards in the set being virtually worthless (i.e. worth like 0.001 tickets) with the few rares from each set that people actually want for constructed holding all of the value, especially if they're mythic. Why just these few cards, and why the sudden spike? Again if it was a consistent trend with all the cards or specific mythics, or the entire set was more expensive online, but it isn't a few tickets more than their paper counterpart across the board, its a few cards that have an insane disparity.
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Jul 19, 2017 03:48
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Print an Eternal Masters set that has mythic versions of the Power Nine and costs $200 a pack
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Unironically print snow duals in commander products and roll out an endless supply of them.
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Marketing New Brain posted:Doesn't appear to be set related, as Spell Queller and Selfless Spirit are also behaving similarly, while other rares and mythics in the same sets aren't or follow normal trends. Being slightly higher online is fine, prices also decline slower in paper. Spell Queller being 14 online and only 5 in paper? Seems weird as hell, I wonder if there is some market manipulation or something. Both of those cards (plus Kozilek's Return) were also in the second set of their block. Playable rares/mythics in otherwise bad sets get inflated online due to redemption and demand, and if they're only drafted for three months there isn't a high enough supply to drive the prices down. After 6+ months Selfless Spirit and Spell Queller are playable again, so now people are buying them back, which increases demand, but a large amount of the supply online got taken out through redemption, and there's no way people are opening enough packs/chests to fill the demand. Incidentally it seems you literally cannot draft BFZ/OGW or SOI/EMN anymore? Lol MTGO is such a trainwreck. Apparently there's a KLD/AER 6-2-2-2 swiss queue, and then only AMK/HOU for all other events.
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Why are these decks moving away from Fiery Temper; it feels so good to Madness it.
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triple sulk posted:Print an Eternal Masters set that has mythic versions of the Power Nine and costs $200 a pack Or something like that. Enjoy opening thousands of dollars of boxes per lotus, etc. Can't wait. The whine tornado will be glorious. Hellsau posted:Lol MTGO is such a trainwreck. But like, not really, since I feel like that list would just be immensely depressing.
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DangerDongs posted:Why are these decks moving away from Fiery Temper; it feels so good to Madness it. I'm keeping the fiery temper in my build. Champion of wits is so loving good FYI uuunnnggghhh
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A number of players on the Scottish Competitive play facebook group had been complaining about the number of stores doing sealed instead of Modern for this season's PPTQ's. A newer store were boasting that their first PPTQ was also Scotland's largest to date, with around 54 players. This Sunday's Modern PPTQ at a different store had a cap of 48, but has now found an external venue to allow additional players, as they had additional demand. Modern's a good format, and people like it. Give me Modern Showdown packs please Wizards.
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mehall posted:
You know in your heart that if Wizards did this they'd do it in a completely retarded way like have them contain a random rare from the pool of all possible modern legal rares.
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Entropic posted:You know in your heart that if Wizards did this they'd do it in a completely retarded way like have them contain a random rare from the pool of all possible modern legal rares. TBH, that'd be fun, and Chaos drafts with Modern Showdown packs would be amazing.
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Modern is probably better off for the comparative lack of wotc interference. If they paid it as much attention as they did standard they'd no doubt manage to gently caress it up.
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Wurzag posted:Modern is probably better off for the comparative lack of wotc interference. If they paid it as much attention as they did standard they'd no doubt manage to gently caress it up. So true... never has Wizards withdrawing support been so good.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's okay, come to Duel Commander, where the metagame was shaken up because today they banned four tier 1 lists at once! They should change online commander to 20 life at least because 100-card aggro decks are a lot of fun
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