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RedSpider posted:I'm not Tezzor. That's just what Tezzor would say. Proof that you are indeed Tezzor.
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RedSpider posted:I'm not Tezzor. I believe you.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:01
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Bongo Bill posted:I prefer it to what it replaces, at least. The issue we've been dancing around here is that Episode 6 has always sucked badly - so much so that Jedi Rocks making things worse is an improvement over mediocrity.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:15
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The prequels being poo poo have kinda improved Return of the Jedi for me. Like, it ain't great, but it ain't AotC levels of lovely
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Jul 19, 2017 05:17
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Is it controversial to say Revenge of the Sith is actually pretty alright?
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Jul 19, 2017 05:18
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Covok posted:Is it controversial to say Revenge of the Sith is actually pretty alright? Amusingly, Matthew Stover's novelization completely removes the Battle of Kashyyyk and...nothing really changes in the grand scheme of things
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Jul 19, 2017 05:21
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Covok posted:Is it controversial to say Revenge of the Sith is actually pretty alright? It's a false statement of course but after Episode 1 and 2 it looks golden by comparison. Watching a character you loathe burn up in flames is so satisfying.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:23
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue we've been dancing around here is that Episode 6 has always sucked badly - so much so that Jedi Rocks making things worse is an improvement over mediocrity. It's almost like Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars
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Jul 19, 2017 05:29
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UmOk posted:It's almost like Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars You joke, but I do legitimately wonder how many fans have gotten so far up the EUnus that they forgot what the movies even were and would possibly find they didn't like any of them on a rewatch.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:31
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If we're talking about good and bad, then yeah, I think Return of the Jedi is the weakest one overall. It has some of the strongest scenes, but the throne room sequence can't carry the whole thing by itself, and so much else in it just doesn't cohere. Attack of the Clones suffers pervasively from how the genres and styles it's an homage to typically depend on dialog that's cleverer than what George Lucas writes. Those are the only two I can give any definitive "ranking" to in good conscience, as the others lack pervasive flaws clearly identifiable as such, and I don't think I'm willing to judge their strengths against each other. They're all very idiosyncratic - A New Hope most of all, but it was also so successful that people born after it often don't see the weirdness.
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Vinylshadow posted:I agree with you The actual plot events that happen on Kashyyk are minor (have something to distract Yoda from Anakin's problems, sneak Chewie in as a minor character); the main thing you lose are the visual references to the Battle of Normandy, and the  shot of a Wookiee commando swinging onto a tank and blowing it up.
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UmOk posted:I. Don't. Care. You saw the penis is what matters. Also Death Star Vagina. 
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Jul 19, 2017 05:58
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The Original Trilogy is actually Rogue One, A New Hope, and The Empire Strikes Back.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:59
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RedSpider posted:The Original Trilogy is actually Rogue One, A New Hope, and The Empire Strikes Back.
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Jul 19, 2017 06:56
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Covok posted:Is it controversial to say Revenge of the Sith is actually pretty alright? I like it, it's not perfect it's a huge improvement over Attack of the Clones. Plus the effects are noticeably better than the last two prequels.
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In my opinion, Revenge is when that sort of CGI became 'mature'. Lord Of The Rings finishing up a few years earlier probably has a lot to do with it.
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Jul 19, 2017 11:00
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RedSpider posted:So how are they going to explain a 25 year old Han Solo played by Aiden Ehrenreich becoming a 25 year old Han Solo played by Harrison Ford in A New Hope? Has Disney sent the market research through corporate for explaining this yet? It's a younger Han. The new movie will be set in his high school and mostly be about the big football game. Also guess who Han happened to go to high school with! Chewie, Lando, Jabba, Boba Fett and Principal Yoda
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Jul 19, 2017 11:15
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If we are just talking strictly about the quality of the effects I'd put rots and aotc tied at the top with tpm a bit behind. The OT is way way way worse. They are all pretty bad in terms of effects. In my opinion. I'm talking about the blue rays for all movies here.
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Return of the Jedi's space battle is a masterpiece of practical effects work. It's hard to even fathom how all of that was put together back then.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:43
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Vinylshadow posted:Amusingly, Matthew Stover's novelization completely removes the Battle of Kashyyyk and...nothing really changes in the grand scheme of things RotS has quite a few scenes devoted just to showing the myriad and varied Galactic Republic worlds that have become battlegrounds, and Kashyyyk more largely serves that purpose than the plot.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:02
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RedSpider posted:Oh honey, George Lucas wasn't that smart. Lucas directed THX-1138, my child, and American Graffitti. To discredit a man because of some childish adherence that he's "not that smart" when he's already established himself with two amazing films loaded with subtext is pretty weak. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 15:14
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RedSpider posted:Certainly someone smarter than Lucas, at least. Have you seen the BTS footage with that man? He's not very bright. Lucas is fairly bright. He's just weird and not very eloquent, and people want to interpret everything he says and does in bad faith.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:29
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Lucas made a ray gun movie I didn't like, and for that I hate him with my life.
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Beeez posted:He's just weird and not very eloquent Sounds like a Star Wars fan to me.
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I stumbled across an older video where a fan opened it by bitching about the Disney buy-out and the loss of expanded universe. I was just basically looking for some stuff for an RPG I'm running. That video was from 2014. How much of that is still around? How many people are still bitching about Legends being cut? How many people still probably say they don't watch episode 7 or similar silly points of pride?
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Covok posted:I stumbled across an older video where a fan opened it by bitching about the Disney buy-out and the loss of expanded universe. I was just basically looking for some stuff for an RPG I'm running. While there certainly are a whole bunch of anti-Disney Star Wars fans out there, they probably aren't going to be covering recent releases and stuff, so you'll have to be looking for them to find them.
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Oh they're out there still. Though this is from a year ago.quote:The Alliance to Restore the Expanded Universe. Bring Back Legends. Give Us Legends. New Republic Historical Office. No matter what you want to call them, there is a movement of a small group of Star Wars fans committed to the original Expanded Universe…and they want it back. They could have just said, "Don't be a dick." and be done with it.
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What do they "want back" exactly? Those stories still exist don't they? If they're pining away for the continued adventures of Corran Horn then I think they've got a long time to wait...
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There were a handful of ongoing Legends plots that got curtailed by the Canon reset. Conclusions to those stories are the most common demand I've see. And honestly, I can sympathize with that one. It's the crazy stuff like the demands for Disney's new films and whatnot to adhere to decades of old EU; or for Disney to just say "never mind!" and stop their releases that are insanity.
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Holy loving poo poo. What a bunch of idiots. There is no way in hell Disney's going to split their brand. If they did that, then they would lose sales per book. Legends books would only be bought by people who know about Legends and vice versa. It'd be too convoluted and overtime sales would go down regardless. There is no way they would ever ever bring back Legends. Selling old books is one thing as people understand that everything before the buyout marked Legends is in canon, but it only works because everyone knows every book going forward is canon. Basebf555 posted:What do they "want back" exactly? Those stories still exist don't they? If they're pining away for the continued adventures of Corran Horn then I think they've got a long time to wait... What they "want back" is the same history that they grew up with. They want back all of the lore they spent memorizing to be relevant to the new books. Essentially they just want to be right again. If I had to Hazard a guess, they feel that with all of that stuff made non-canon that it invalidates all of their efforts to memorize it. They don't like that feeling. As such they want it made Canon again so that feeling goes away. They also likely disagree with certain of New Canon like lightsaber crystals only ever being khyber crystals now or something.
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jivjov posted:It's the crazy stuff like the demands for Disney's new films and whatnot to adhere to decades of old EU; or for Disney to just say "never mind!" and stop their releases that are insanity. How many people do you think want the "never mind" because Disney has been using a lot of female protagonists, non-white protagonist and some homosexual protagonists? Yes I'm going there.
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jivjov posted:There were a handful of ongoing Legends plots that got curtailed by the Canon reset. Conclusions to those stories are the most common demand I've see. And honestly, I can sympathize with that one. I was in line at Star Wars Celebration to meet Timothy Zahn, and some guy walked up to a my friend and I saying, "You guys look like you appreciate Star Wars Legends! Well, let me tell you about an initiate we spearheading to make Star Wars Legends fan movies! Let's all enjoy the REAL EU!" And then he handed us his card. Which I promptly threw away, because gently caress that guy. But I wish I could remember the name of their group now, because it could be good for a laugh.
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thrawn527 posted:I was in line at Star Wars Celebration to meet Timothy Zahn, and some guy walked up to a my friend and I saying, "You guys look like you appreciate Star Wars Legends! Well, let me tell you about an initiate we spearheading to make Star Wars Legends fan movies! Let's all enjoy the REAL EU!" And then he handed us his card. Which I promptly threw away, because gently caress that guy. But I wish I could remember the name of their group now, because it could be good for a laugh. Holy poo poo that sounds like a political movement. Like that's how you go about recruiting for political movement. In tone and execution, it seems similar to going " you guys look like you care a lot about guns how about you join the NRA?" The fact that it's being applied to the Star Wars fandom is hilarious.
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Covok posted:Holy poo poo that sounds like a political movement. Like that's how you go about recruiting for political movement. In tone and execution, it seems similar to going " you guys look like you care a lot about guns how about you join the NRA?" The fact that it's being applied to the Star Wars fandom is hilarious. Yeah, it really threw us off. I couldn't believe it when it ended up being for some bullshit fan films.
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Covok posted:How many people do you think want the "never mind" because Disney has been using a lot of female protagonists, non-white protagonist and some homosexual protagonists? Yes I'm going there. Oh there sure are a bunch of those. There's this whole movement about how "young boys are being trained that men are inferior because Rey gets force powers" and other similar things from other media properties.
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jivjov posted:There were a handful of ongoing Legends plots that got curtailed by the Canon reset. Conclusions to those stories are the most common demand I've see. And honestly, I can sympathize with that one. Yea, I can see that. I stopped reading EU stuff like 15+ years ago so it didn't occur to me that it was still ongoing at the time of the sale to Disney and that stories were in progress and left unfinished. Still a dumb thing to care about, but at least I can see the logic in it.
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The discontinuation of the EU doesn't mean that every unfinished storyline was going to be finished -- narrative product lines are discontinued all the time. The necromantic success of "browncoats" raising Firefly's brittle corpse for Serenity may have planted the seeds for irrational optimism.
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The EU dorks should just do like the SWCCG Players Committee and try to group-write some followups to whatever the last novel series was. See how that turns out
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