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We should help Palermo, but i disagree with the rest. We're in a prime position to do what the Ummayads never did and take southern Gaul. VVV Oh, woops, misread. I stay on Palermo's side though. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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I meant Provence. Palermo frankly should be back on The List now, along with Sardinia. Those debts are long due to be paid back. As for Gaul, gently caress no, we finally have a nice, defensible mountain border and have restored Al-Andalus, we don't need to traipse around Frankish fields and involve ourselves in new fronts. Let's focus on restoring old holdings, the colonies, and conquest of the Western Med.
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I really do not understand this fascination with making forever enemies with Morocco when we already have France to contend with. Proposing the Go Home England, You're Drunk Act. Conquer and/or destroy England in North America. I mean really. Englishmen? In the New World? Really? Let's just put a stop to this nonsense before it gets out of hand. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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paragon1 posted:I really do not understand this fascination with making forever enemies with Morocco when we already have France to contend with. Morocco is squatting on way too much of the Caribbean along with the other side of Gibraltar, and hates us anyway. Carving them up makes us more powerful and less threatened.
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Honestly I kind of want New England to do okay for itself. Literal monarchy in exile 13 colonies is hilarious/adorable. 
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Captain Oblivious posted:Honestly I kind of want New England to do okay for itself. Literal monarchy in exile 13 colonies is hilarious/adorable. Same, it reminds me of Kaiserreich in a way.
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Gaul is not a new front, it's the same northern push we have been doing for ages. Besides, we have the excuse of "protecting" our newest dhimmi group. We will always have the Pyrenees, it can be a nice fallback line instead of our primary defenses. Meanwhile, Morocco is a competitor, hosed with our colonization, and must be crushed.
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lol just lol if you dont want to bring the light of the prophet to the entire continent
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paragon1 posted:I really do not understand this fascination with making forever enemies with Morocco when we already have France to contend with. Morocco is making money we could be making! Even worse, with their dominance in the Caribbean and Sevillan trade nodes they're literally taking our money!
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I'm really digging how the Red Turbans just took over Korea.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I'm really digging how the Red Turbans just took over Korea. Still disappointed what a wet fart "aggressive" Japan turned out to be. Crazycryodude posted:
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Captain Oblivious posted:Honestly I kind of want New England to do okay for itself. Literal monarchy in exile 13 colonies is hilarious/adorable. Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Same, it reminds me of Kaiserreich in a way.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Honestly I kind of want New England to do okay for itself. Literal monarchy in exile 13 colonies is hilarious/adorable. AzeriLP... Kinda did this. It was a very odd series of events in Vicky 2
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Policies right now:Frionnel posted:Colonial Loyalty and Security Act Frionnel, The Bold Kobold, catlord, Soup du Jour, RZApublican, Wyvernil, Aeromancia. Rodyle posted:The Southern Design Rodyle, Lord Cyrahzax. paragon1 posted:Proposing the Go Home England, You're Drunk Act: Conquer and/or destroy England in North America. paragon1.  Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, propose the Knowledge is Half the Battle Act Ralepozozaxe, AJ_Impy, Vinny Possum. Slaan posted:I, Slaan al-Andalusi propose the New World, New Souls Act Slaan. Crazycryodude posted:Proposing that we extend Made in Al-Andalus into the new session, it's maximum production time. Crazycryodude, Dance Officer, Mikl, Ikasuhito.  Zakrelo posted:I propose the Final Leap Act Zakrelo.
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I'm supporting Ralepozozaxe's proposal. Edit: Wait no I'm not, read below. Erwin the German fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Rodyle posted:
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Rodyle posted:
This sounds like a nice proposal!
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Slaan posted:I, Slaan al-Andalusi propose the New World, New Souls Act Backing this. We seem to be focusing on our colonies at the moment, and I'm not sure what benefit all the Navarra stuff brings, honestly.
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Slaan posted:https://lpix.org/2791686/Ulama2.png Actually, this seems more fun right now, for the reasons stated above. Let's convert some heathens. Erwin the German fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Dance Officer posted:Morocco is making money we could be making! Even worse, with their dominance in the Caribbean and Sevillan trade nodes they're literally taking our money! Last I heard, we held the majority there Did something change? Lord Cyrahzax posted:Morocco is squatting on way too much of the Caribbean along with the other side of Gibraltar, and hates us anyway. Carving them up makes us more powerful and less threatened. Facts not in evidence. So far it has just lead to us getting turbofucked in a two front war. Because, get this, France is an existential threat to Al-Andalus that requires all our energy and focus to fight.
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paragon1 posted:Last I heard, we held the majority there Even if we hold the majority in that node, fact is we could be making even more if they left. It's undeniable that their caribbean colony is a serious blow to our coffers. We must take it. paragon1 posted:Because, get this, France is an existential threat to Al-Andalus that requires all our energy and focus to fight. Not at the moment, it isn't. Also, it's been a while since i've played EU4, so someone remind me here: Would France bite the -2 stab from truce breaking if they joined Morocco against us?
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Depends on how much they hate us, how much they like Morocco, and whether or not they think they can take us iirc. It should say in the war declaration screen whether or not France would join. E: Oh do you mean would they receive a stab hit like a human player would? Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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You don't get stab hit for defensive CTAs.
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Frionnel posted:Also, it's been a while since i've played EU4, so someone remind me here: Would France bite the -2 stab from truce breaking if they joined Morocco against us? They don't take a stab hit if they get called into a defensive war.
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Ah, thanks guys, that makes sense.
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We are definitely in need of focusing on our colonies- we're getting beaten out at every corner!
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Rodyle posted:As an aside, though not a formal proposal, I think in further conflicts with France we should refrain from taking their land directly. That's what we'd suggested last time. Drive up revolt risk and grind manpower to 0 through long occupation, split off French nations. Instead we got the Pyrenees and independent Corsica for some reason. So, get ready for another war with France as soon as the truce is over. We barely bloodied their nose, they'll be coming back.
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Frionnel posted:Even if we hold the majority in that node, fact is we could be making even more if they left. It's undeniable that their caribbean colony is a serious blow to our coffers. We must take it. First of all, HERESY. Second, this assumes that taking and holding those colonies costs less than what we would gain from them. A big assumption considering that it would involve fighting two major powers and their allies.
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Slaan posted:https://lpix.org/2791686/Ulama2.png Sorry to say, but we can't build mosques in our colonies, as they are under the control of the colonial nation, we also can't convert them for the same reason, and colonies we make ourselves already start as our religion. The last part is doable, but the Taifa are already going to propose that.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Sorry to say, but we can't build mosques in our colonies, as they are under the control of the colonial nation, we also can't convert them for the same reason, and colonies we make ourselves already start as our religion. The last part is doable, but the Taifa are already going to propose that. Goooonna swerve back to Knowledge is Half the Battle Act, then. I'm getting whiplash.
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Yessod posted:That's what we'd suggested last time. Drive up revolt risk and grind manpower to 0 through long occupation, split off French nations. Instead we got the Pyrenees and independent Corsica for some reason. So, get ready for another war with France as soon as the truce is over. We barely bloodied their nose, they'll be coming back. I did do that, I had France mostly occupied for five or six years, and tons of rebels popped. The problem was most of them were either Aragonese separatists (land we wanted to take) or Noble rebels, and that's about it.
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paragon1 posted:First of all, HERESY. You'll find that Al-Andalus is very tolerant of all faiths, as of the last update  You assume that we have to fight two major powers. A lot of things could happen in the future. For example, the alliance could be severed, or France could be caught in a bad war again and refuse to bail the Moroccans. When that happens, we would be missing a huge opportunity by not attacking. Rodyle's proposal specifically covers this. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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I should probably have included taking Sardinia when that truce expires in the proposal. Oh well, Sultan's prerogative. Yessod posted:That's what we'd suggested last time. Drive up revolt risk and grind manpower to 0 through long occupation, split off French nations. Instead we got the Pyrenees and independent Corsica for some reason. So, get ready for another war with France as soon as the truce is over. We barely bloodied their nose, they'll be coming back. I just don't want us expanding North because France is boring and trite. It still behooves us to weaken them though. To my mind, I want us to eventually directly rule Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Sardinia+Corsica, Sicily, and Naples. E: in the case of North Africa this means mostly the coastal regions, we don't need big chunks of Sahara Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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That's interesting, because i find that a bit too blobby. I was thinking more Southern France + The other side of Gibraltar and that's it.
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I mean we're not here to NOT blob, we just have to blob in novel ways.
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paragon1 posted:Last I heard, we held the majority there We probably do but that's besides the point. Trade income is calculated as Trade Value * Trade Power Share in the trade node we collect in. We want to have as close to 100% of the trade power in Sevilla as we can realistically get. The situation in the Caribbean is a bit different, though. Morocco owns at least one of the two CoT's in there, and a good deal of the real estate, so they're probably a rival to us there. This doesn't matter so much in a way. Both Morocco and Al Andalus will send trade value to Sevilla. Their CN also gives Morocco more trade power in Sevilla though, and that's decidedly against our(my) interests of increasing profits.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Sorry to say, but we can't build mosques in our colonies, as they are under the control of the colonial nation,
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paragon1 posted:Facts not in evidence. So far it has just lead to us getting turbofucked in a two front war. Because, get this, France is an existential threat to Al-Andalus that requires all our energy and focus to fight. I'd say that the prospects of a two-front war depend on whether the navy is stronger than those of France and Morocco combined. If it is, you could just park it in the straits of Gibraltar while you beat up France and then go for Morocco.
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Hashim posted:I did do that, I had France mostly occupied for five or six years, and tons of rebels popped. The problem was most of them were either Aragonese separatists (land we wanted to take) or Noble rebels, and that's about it. Ah, got it. Bad luck on rebel draws then (or changes since I last played).
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