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It seems the Daleks haven't taken the news of the 13th Doctor's identity well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znGBU5oODz8
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:"There has never been a male companion." Show literally started with three companions including a male one. To be fair he hasn't watched the show in literally half a century, that's a long time to remember the character line up. He did catch about 30 secs of one of those Simm!Master specials (with all the chicken eating) once and walked out in disgust, which isnt a reaction I can really fault. I'd like to have him watch some NuWho; it's not often you can expose a true classic Who purist to the new stuff. It'd have to be a sedate episode though, as he hates anything noisy or fast paced or with too much CGI. I thought the Matt Smith ganger 2 partner might be a good one. Or Blink. He'd like Capaldi but I haven't seen many of those.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:00
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Bolingbroke posted:To be fair he hasn't watched the show in literally half a century, that's a long time to remember the character line up. He did catch about 30 secs of one of those Simm!Master specials (with all the chicken eating) once and walked out in disgust, which isnt a reaction I can really fault. Have him watch 'Dalek" with Eccleston and go from there based on his reaction.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:21
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I kind of feel that James Bond is a special case when it comes to gender/race casting. He should be a white male because he's a posh Tory oval office who murders people for the ruling elite.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:25
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:"There has never been a male companion." Show literally started with three companions including a male one. There were times when it was only a male companion.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:29
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marktheando posted:I kind of feel that James Bond is a special case when it comes to gender/race casting. He should be a white male because he's a posh Tory oval office who murders people for the ruling elite. *scribbles notes* Make James Bond more racist and wearing a Margaret Thatcher tie with his five thousand pound suit, got it. Notice for immediate release: The next James Bond movie will will be focused around stopping evil doers trying to disrupt a completely legitimate arms deal with the good and just Saudis.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:29
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If nothing else, a female James Bond would cement the "it's a code name" thing for real.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:29
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Bolingbroke posted:To be fair he hasn't watched the show in literally half a century, that's a long time to remember the character line up. He did catch about 30 secs of one of those Simm!Master specials (with all the chicken eating) once and walked out in disgust, which isnt a reaction I can really fault. If he hates CGI, then "Midnight" and "Blink" don't have any, and would probably be his bag. "Heaven Sent" is always recommended, and is neither fast paced nor loud, ditto "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances". "Under the Lake/Before the Flood" (although not one of the most popular episodes) might be good for him. e: this thread moves fast? Since when? Murderion fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 13:34
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jivjov posted:If nothing else, a female James Bond would cement the "it's a code name" thing for real. Skyfall put that to rest unfortunately (Spectre too, to an extent.). Just another reason to forget that film ever happened.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:42
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James Bond is a womanizing chauvinist, typically speaking, but hell, there is no reason a theoretical Jane Bond couldn't also be a womanizing chauvinist. There are going to be a lot of exciting little revelations next year when they start filming - who the new companion is, what Thirteen's outfit will look like, probably a new TARDIS interior, who's writing for the show...
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Jul 19, 2017 13:44
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I'm more excited for the new interior than 13's costume. We've had that console room for five years now.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:50
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Bicyclops posted:James Bond is a womanizing chauvinist, typically speaking, but hell, there is no reason a theoretical Jane Bond couldn't also be a womanizing chauvinist. 95% chance the new Doctor's outfit will be a smart suit, long coat and either boots or sneakers. Though I hope the first episode puts her in a bright neon pink dress with sequins and glitter just because it will upset certain people.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:51
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Bicyclops posted:There are going to be a lot of exciting little revelations next year when they start filming - who the new companion is, what Thirteen's outfit will look like, probably a new TARDIS interior, who's writing for the show... Sort of Amelia Earhart / Amy Johnson type Golden Age aviatrix look might be fun; you know, fur-lined leather windcheater, jodhpurs and leather boots, white silk scarf. If she does stick with something similar to what she had on in the teaser clip, that would be fine too. It needs something extra to personalise it but it would be a good starting point. I'm sure they'll come up with something good; they always do. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 13:54
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After The War posted:Maera Sior asked me to post this: I am 100% certain we will see a Lady Holmes within about 20 years, either as a full gender-swap version or a series with Holmes' daughter. We're halfway there with Elementary having a female Watson. It'd be a show that could really work well in the late 1800s/early 1900s setting too with Lady Holmes having to deal with chauvinist crap all the time, using the fact that men don't expect a woman to be clever or a detective against them, etc. I also would get a nice chuckle if after all we know about Holmes elaborate disguises in the books and in various film and T.V. depictions she literally changes nothing about her appearance except wearing a maid uniform and gets full covert spy access to a target.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:06
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DancingShade posted:
Don't be ridiculous. They'd never introduce the Doctor in some kind of neon-colored sequin outfi-  Oh. Carry on.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:09
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Bicyclops posted:Don't be ridiculous. They'd never introduce the Doctor in some kind of neon-colored sequin outfi- That outfit really emphasizes Tom's bizarre skeletal structure. Should have been his final costume IMO
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Jul 19, 2017 14:13
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NowonSA posted:I am 100% certain we will see a Lady Holmes within about 20 years, either as a full gender-swap version or a series with Holmes' daughter. We're halfway there with Elementary having a female Watson. How soon we forget Shirley Holmes. (I only know about Shirley Holmes because of HBomberguy's Sherlock video)
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Jul 19, 2017 14:15
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NowonSA posted:I am 100% certain we will see a Lady Holmes within about 20 years, either as a full gender-swap version or a series with Holmes' daughter. We're halfway there with Elementary having a female Watson. I think there's been stories about Holmes's "non-canon" (as in not created by Doyle) daughter Violet as a detective; I have read about such a thing, at least. One property that I don't think has had a gender-swapped version which I think would be interesting is the Phantom of the Opera.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:18
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Big Mean Jerk posted:That outfit really emphasizes Tom's bizarre skeletal structure. Should have been his final costume IMO Him trying to do the sad Charlie Brown walk back to into the TARDIS after they shake their heads, but obviously breaking, with a smile pulling at the edges of his mouth, was when I was convinced he was going to be a good Doctor.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:22
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Holmes is public domain so it's easy to have all sorts of crazy adaptions.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:31
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sort of Amelia Earhart / Amy Johnson type Golden Age aviatrix look might be fun; you know, fur-lined leather windcheater, jodhpurs and leather boots, white silk scarf. gently caress, I like the sound of this so much. I could see it wearing thin as a primary outfit on the level of Eleven's bow tie and suit, but it would make for a great 'central' look that they derive a few other similar ones from. Like how Twelve didn't really have a single signature outfit, but he definitely had a look that they played around within.
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Jul 19, 2017 14:39
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Is it worth listening to The War Doctor audios in order? I've got a bit of extra money and want to buy one. If it doesn't matter, which is the best one?
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Jul 19, 2017 14:56
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Holmes is public domain so it's easy to have all sorts of crazy adaptions. Yep, public domain plus being a well known character leads to lots of possibilities. I'm not surprised to hear there have already been some stabs at a female take on the character, but I'm just expecting some movie or T.V. studio to do a bigger budget attempt. I mean hell, we've already had Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century, at that point anything's on the table.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:09
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NowonSA posted:I am 100% certain we will see a Lady Holmes within about 20 years, either as a full gender-swap version or a series with Holmes' daughter. We're halfway there with Elementary having a female Watson. As well as Watson, Elementary also had a female version of the other big Holmes character, of course.  There's a really easy way to do a female Sherlock Holmes, namely that it was a kind of Remington Steele scenario in which Holmes was always a woman but encouraged Watson to fabricate his accounts a little and portray her as a man so she would be taken seriously in Edwardian society.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:16
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Haven't we already seen a female Holmes? Not sure how anyone can top the ancient green lesbian lizard version though.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:40
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So many detectives are essentially just adaptations of Holmes anyway. Like, Hercule Poirot is definitely a Sherlock Holmes adaptation.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:47
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Bicyclops posted:Like, Hercule Poirot is definitely a Sherlock Holmes adaptation. Maybe in the shallowest possible ways. As characters they are very different. I can't imagine Poirot getting involved in any substance abuse, for instance. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 15:50
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Bicyclops posted:Don't be ridiculous. They'd never introduce the Doctor in some kind of neon-colored sequin outfi- Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown the Doctor is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor...I am the Doctor."
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Jul 19, 2017 15:51
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Bicyclops posted:So many detectives are essentially just adaptations of Holmes anyway. Like, Hercule Poirot is definitely a Sherlock Holmes adaptation. Sure. Poirot = Belgian Holmes Nero Wolfe = American Holmes Lord Peter Wimsey = Posho Holmes Sexton Blake = Action Holmes Max Carrados = Blind Holmes Mike Hammer = HUAC Holmes etc.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:52
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Wheat Loaf posted:As well as Watson, Elementary also had a female version of the other big Holmes character, of course. Yeah, that thought occurred to me as well. There are certainly worse ways to approach it than that, female in reality but male in Watson's stories. A solid feather in the disguise and deception cap too if the public thinks you're the opposite gender. I don't know if you necessarily go full Naoto from persona 4 and have her dress and present as male, but I'd think it would have to be a valid choice for some situations. Anyway, I'm talking too much Holmes when I should be talking Who. Super glad to be getting a female doctor, it should be a nice shot in the arm for the show.
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edit: Nvm, I misread someone's post.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:57
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sure. Then wouldn't miss marple be female holmes?
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howe_sam posted:Then wouldn't miss marple be female holmes? I haven't actually read any Miss Marple stories. 
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Bicyclops posted:So many detectives are essentially just adaptations of Holmes anyway. Like, Hercule Poirot is definitely a Sherlock Holmes adaptation. I'm a golden age of detective fiction nerd and he's absolutely not. Holmes was all about adaptive reasoning and scientific methodology, although it went very strange at times as Conan Doyle's belief in the supernatural would seep through into the stories, especially after The Final Problem, because he really really didn't want to be writing any more Holmes stories but the publishers were willing to pay him such an astronomical amount that he caved in. Poirot was invented to explore the then brand new subject of psychology using the latest method of the times.  As a side note it always utterly amazes me that Moriarty and Adler feature so prominently in pretty much anything Sherlock Holmes, because there is pretty much gently caress all written about them by Conan Doyle. Trust me, 90% of what you think you know about the pair of them comes from fan fiction going right back to the 1890s. (Edited because Autocorrect did a thing) learnincurve fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 16:06
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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't actually read any Miss Marple stories. You might want to hurry up. If the BBC replaces her with a man, it somehow erases all the original female stories.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:11
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learnincurve posted:I'm a golden age of detective fiction nerd and he's absolutely not. I do think that it's fair to say that Hastings was probably inspired by Watson, but he's not even in the actual stories nearly as much as he's in the TV adaptation. (Not that I'm complaining, Hastings was great in the TV show.)
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Jul 19, 2017 16:12
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howe_sam posted:Then wouldn't miss marple be female holmes? And Jessica Fletcher is female Holmes BUT IN THE
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Jul 19, 2017 16:13
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Re: earlier post, Capaldi stories which aren't that fast-paced or flashy and someone who tapped out at The War Games might be able to get into: Listen (could be considered to have no pace at all since there is no monster or danger in the episode) The Caretaker (first half is a "dating two people at once" style sitcom, which might be a selling point or a deal breaker) Last Christmas (technically a sequel episode to Dark Water/Death In Heaven, which are excellent but DIH probably has too much noise and CGI to be on this list) Under The Lake/Before The Flood (I hated these but old school fans seem to like them) Heaven Sent (best episode of the series, technically part 2 of 3 but fairly comfortably standalone) The Pilot (designed as a jumping-on point for new viewers, slow start and character focused, monster doesn't even show up until halfway through) Extremis (technically part 1 of 3, skip the other 2 parts and just assume the Doctor wins) World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls (big CGI finale but almost all buildup and quiet moments before that)
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Please please stop comparing all Detectives to Holmes just because they are British, it burns Holmes was a prototype, and in fact he wasn't actually very well written, his stories compare to a lot of others even at the time were bad, so bad in fact the golden age detective writers actually sat down in 1929 and wrote a big list of rules. Ronald Knox posted:The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know. He didn't even start the public's obsession with murder mysteries. (Go read the maul and the pear tree by P.D. James) or the first detective fiction (go read The Notting Hill Mystery by Charles Felix then Wilkie Collins’ The Moonstone)
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learnincurve posted:Holmes was all about addictive reasoning and scientific methodology, although it went very strange at times as Conan Doyle's belief in the supernatural would seep through into the stories, especially after The Final Problem, because he really really didn't want to be writing any more Holmes stories but the publishers were willing to pay him such an astronomical amount that he caved in. I think there's only one really supernatural Holmes story (Adventure of the Creeping Man). Professor Challenger is where Doyle put all his newfound belief in spiritualism. Gaz-L posted:And Jessica Fletcher is female Holmes BUT IN THE Ah, now Murder, She Wrote I do know about, because it's one of my dad's favourite programmes. learnincurve posted:He didn't even start the public's obsession with murder mysteries. (Go read the maul and the pear tree by P.D. James) or the first detective fiction (go read The Notting Hill Mystery by Charles Felix then Wilkie Collins’ The Moonstone) Sure, Holmes himself has some basis in C. Auguste Dupin.
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