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The counter to spawn is, sadly, the same thing that counters my poor Carabosse. Wards, a shitload of health gain, and non-targetted wipes. (Haven)
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The semi-aggro Carabosse deck I stole from Reddit or Gamepress and have been playing does use Mask and it has actually stolen me a couple wins, including one against Spawn. Here's that deck, since I realized just now I never linked it when we were talking about Carabosse before: Unrelated, but I just got done with a super frustrating session where I was going for 7 ranked wins for a daily, got 6 easily, then lost like 10+ in a row bouncing between Burn Rune, that Carabosse deck, and Seraph. The mulligans and topdecks just completely left me for that stretch.
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Have you been getting any mileage out of Vampire's kiss? I've been finding that it sort of sucks poo poo now with all the buffs floating around and a lot of minions having 3 health
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Jimmy Hats posted:The counter to spawn is, sadly, the same thing that counters my poor Carabosse. Wards, a shitload of health gain, and non-targetted wipes. (Haven)
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Jul 12, 2017 03:20
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I'd imagine that the vampires kisses are still great against 2 drops in general.
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Jimmy Hats posted:Have you been getting any mileage out of Vampire's kiss? I've been finding that it sort of sucks poo poo now with all the buffs floating around and a lot of minions having 3 health Like Yukari said, they can still be pretty good early on, and they're not completely dead later since 2 health healed can be pretty significant. There are also times on turn 4 going second where something like Lyrial + Kiss has helped me retake a board in much the same way Lyrial + Tove would. Whether you keep them early on is gonna depend a lot on the opponent (Tove, Haven not having early stuff in general). I could see them being cut but I'm not sure there's really a great alternative out there that covers both the damage and the healing Kiss provides.
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No Wave posted:That doesn't actually counter spawn. Myth busted. if i draw well with seraph it feels very solid vs spawn. the issue is it bricks more easily and you can end up without the early game you need and get blown out. one match vs blood last night i didnt draw seraph until i had 8 cards left and i was in control the entire time
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Jimmy Hats posted:The counter to spawn is, sadly, the same thing that counters my poor Carabosse. Wards, a shitload of health gain, and non-targetted wipes. (Haven) Lol, spawn shits on your lousy wards. Haha, wards. And pffft to health gain! There are 3 things that kinda, sorta "counter" spawn 1) Extreme pressure 2) Removal (Themis, Mutagenic, Necro-stuff, Bahamut's fat rear end) 3) A faster spawn <-- I guess this is the actual counter, haha. trucutru fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Jul 12, 2017 05:21
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khawy is also pretty good
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Awesome! posted:khawy is also pretty good He's included in necro-stuff. I play that match-up quite often (on both sides) and shadow has indeed a good chance of winning. Going first is the most important thing, of course. I would say it is 55/45 in favor of blood.
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I mean, this expansion has so many loving fun decks, but neutral blood is so much better than anything else that it's just silly. And if cygames are idiots and they nerf only the blood cards then haven will stomp on everybody else like cockroaches, since the Tove plus Cat/Spawn bullshit is the only thing keeping that deck in check. Fairyapocalypse, once you have somehow established a Ephemera beachhead it's hilarious. Hey, let's play!... Make yourself useful... You can get this one!... I will shine! Hey, let's play!... Make yourself useful... You can get this one!... I will shine! Hey, let's play!... Make yourself useful... You can get this one!... I will shine! Hey, let's play!... Make yourself useful... You can get this one!... I will shine! And so on. Shadow didn't get much love but the newer versions of Neph are great fun. I just took on a guy who got all three spawns off (and once managed to hit my face with one) before I had filled the board with Mordecais (Usher of Styx is a great way to replenish your Khawy or Mordecai stock, you have too many shadows anyways). And there is all sorts of nice synergies with the new cards but they are all just too slow right now. Elana is also great fun, and so is control blood, some of the funkier versions of earthrite rune, and neutral roach. Even sword got silly ephemera decks (Funny how a neutral is a better ninja than every ninja in the class). Shame you cannot really play 80% of them on ranked.
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http://sv.bagoum.com/cards/BladedHedgehog Check out the audio, you can hear it chewing on the sword.
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Carrot/Hamsa Windmill is the most hilarious Dragon deck I've ever played. I don't have any Uriels, so I've been using Dragon Emissary to search it out where only it and Draconic Fervor are my cards above 5 mana in the deck. It's not a great deck but boy is it hilarious.
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Hyper Inferno posted:Carrot/Hamsa Windmill is the most hilarious Dragon deck I've ever played. I don't have any Uriels, so I've been using Dragon Emissary to search it out where only it and Draconic Fervor are my cards above 5 mana in the deck. It's not a great deck but boy is it hilarious. I've been doing this but without the Carrots, instead opting for goofy bullshit with Through the Looking Glass, Ace Dragoon, and Dramatic Dragonblader which actually does good work against people who play lots of tiny little annoying fairy dudes or no dudes at all for your Hamsas to feed off of. It's bad but it's funny. Edit: Two packs today (the free WD one and a WD one with crystals) gave me my second Alice and second Queen of the Dread Sea. Nice luck. Shadow Ninja 64 fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Ranked update for this dead gay thread on this dead gay forum: Everybody, and I mean everybody is playing either neutral blood or a "counter". So you just play cat blood and beat both spawn and all its counters for free. So yeah, the game is completely hosed and heaven knows cygames are being big fat idiots for sticking to their balance patch date. I also just opened a reward pack that had what should be a legendary (Tove) and a what should be a bronze (Fairy dragon) but, for whatever reason, the game was all excited about the shittier card. Such are the mysteries of shadowverse.
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Fairy dragon rules
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ill let you know if i ever end up regretting it. so far the only legendary ive dusted and then re-crafted was 1 prince of darkness. i kind of regret dusting 2 gawains awhile ago but only slightly. i think they died for my sibyls and i am ok with that trade.
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Jimmy Hats posted:Fairy dragon rules Fairy dragon text reads: Play a shitload of dumb fairies (instead of neutrals) in order to get rewarded by a sub-optimal follower that does nothing for the kind of deck that plays a shitload of fairies. If fairies get good again (their meme decks are top-tier fun) then fairy dragon will probably become decent. But right now the meta is dominated by followers with 2-3 defense, so fairies do poo poo unless you setup something to boost them, which gets you killed due to lost tempo. What is the dragon supposed to accomplish anyways? It is a vanilla ward with conditional stats that only shines in the late game in a class with a fat follower with ward that gives you an evo point and heals you in the late game. Lots of fairies have to die so that you can drop some fat wards when you can just drop fat wards without the requirement, or fat wards that bounce your stuff back. In other news, playing any non-optimized non-cookie-cutter deck in low masters (like 1000-2000 points) is complete suicide nowadays. Matches often get decided in turn 2 against both blood and haven. It's been a while since I've seen a turn 6 spawn, it's just too slow. I'm pretty sure that we can do better! blood vs forest matches get decided on turn 1 if blood goes first and drops a gobbo. (unless they are also running the neutral package, then you have to wait for turn 2 to see if they have twin archers or not) trucutru fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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they are actually nerfing legendaries?! https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/887244868245798913 i really wish i didnt immediately dust my extra snow white when i opened the animated one now wouldnt surprise me if they change alice and or feria to only be +1/+0 Awesome! fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Spawn will get obliterated I think, it's waaaaaaay too good
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Spawn is a strong card, but Baphomet is the problem. It's the same issue as old Goblin Mage in that you can easily build a deck to draw one specific card, plus it has a cost reduction effect, and those are very tough to balance. The only reason why it wasn't a problem before was that there wasn't a viable lategame threat to tutor for.
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Spawn would still be a great card if they changed his "Whenever this follower attacks" to a Clash instead. Being able to do 16 damage if you don't have a ward or board clear s ridiculous
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Awesome! posted:they are actually nerfing legendaries?! Nah, snow white gets nerfed next month. This month the target will be blood and the neutral package, so Haven is gonna rule with an iron fist after they are done.
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i feel like haven has enough non neutral blood counters that it wont be a huge deal. people will just start playing more dshift again and things will balance out.
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Awesome! posted:i feel like haven has enough non neutral blood counters that it wont be a huge deal. people will just start playing more dshift again and things will balance out. Hopefully. But if neutrals get nerfed then I don't see how can you have enough pressure to beat storm haven's bullshit in turns 5-6 with SW covering their asses in the early game. That poo poo is nuts.
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it is true that teatime into garuda is pretty sick
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I like Birdkeeping Disciple. Flappity Flappity!
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Should I head into Aegis Havencraft or Storm Havencraft? I have some of both. Storm seems good cause Aegis just keeps taking so drat long to win.
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Jimmy Hats posted:I like Birdkeeping Disciple. Flappity Flappity! I like just how many of the angels hate their jobs. It's pretty flavorful.
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Valicious posted:Should I head into Aegis Havencraft or Storm Havencraft? I have some of both. Storm seems good cause Aegis just keeps taking so drat long to win. Storm is cheaper to build (lions are not mandatory) so start with that. If you don't like it switch to the other.
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Is it possible to chuck spawns into a phantom cat blood list and still do alright with it, and still retain the bullshit T6 finisher as well?
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You'll want 3-ofs of: Lyrial Feria BKB Sabreur Goblin Leader Alice Tove Grimnir The issue is that, for the other 16 cards, cat wants littler guys and spawn wants cards like emerelda and Alucard that support spawn. It'll probably still do fine but cat's advantage against spawn isn't so much cat, it's the more consistent early game that running more small guys gives you. You could do 3x cat, 3x bapho, 2x spawn and 7 little guys but you'll lose the alucard combo and will on the margin get outboarded by someone running 5 more/better little guys than you. I don't know how essential Alucard is against Haven etc. It'll probably do ok.
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i just threw 1 spawn in my cat deck
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Cat with spawn is precisely that: a cat deck with a spawn alternate win condition (it is not a spawn deck with added cats). So you go aggro with 3 regular goblins in there, angels of the word for value/tempo trades, and so on. Then you replace some of your heavy cards with a couple of spawns. With so many neutrals lately people are using Hector in their lists, and the Gruff guy is also pretty good. You want to rush face and win with sheer aggression with spawn as a backup plan. Of course, sometimes you can go for a clean bapho on five and get a discount spawn. Here is an example list, https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck/866/jcg-open-2nd-season-vol61-2nd-place-tomatan-neutral-bloodcraft notice the lack of grimnirs in this one (lots of people have them) because this specific deck is going face hard. This deck will often do a tove + carrot or Sabreur/Hector play on turn five instead of dropping a baphomet like a spawn deck. Personally, I have 2 razory claws in my deck (still trying to find the correct number of >4 pp cards) and they have worked wonders.
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This new Forest prebuilt looks like poo poo: https://shadowverse.com/articles/detail.php?id=column-054
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