Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Enoch is an "alt-right leader" in the same sense that Matt Christman is actually Stalin.

Enoch isn't even considered the "talent" of The Daily Shoah, and he plays second fiddle to Dickspence.

zegermans posted:

I don't agree with McInnis being alt-lite, Proud Boys are some of the few actively organized extremely fat and pasty brownshirts out there

Montasque posted:

What? Enoch is the founder of THE RIGHT STUFF and is considered one of the three leaders of the alt-right along with Spencer and Daily Stormer creator Andrew Anglin.

As far as his wife's Jewishness - Enoch himself admitted she was Jewish. From Richard Spencer to David Duke they all accepted it since American racists never had much of a problem with White men mixing.

Here's some sources:
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/16/cat-fight-on-the-alt-right-neo-nazi-podcaster-mike-enoch-quits-after-doxxers-reveal-his-wife-is-jewish/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/neo-nazi-blog-struggles-founder-wife-identified-jewish-article-1.2948308
http://forward.com/news/361659/neo-nazi-podcaster-mike-enoch-is-back-despite-jewish-wife/

Montasque posted:

McInnis is weird one. His "10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT JEWS" was a joke where the punch line was "Jews should be more proud of how awesome they are and should kill more Arabs." He's married to a native American woman, but he's also the founder of the Proud Boys - a no fap racist street gang named after a song from Aladdin: The Broadway Musical.

The Proud Boys are starting to shed their goofy irony gimmick and are becoming a straight up Nazi Skinhead gang. They even wear Fred Perry's for Christ sakes. Since McInnis actually wants to work I'm sure he'll disavow his Proud Boys once they murder someone.

zegermans posted:

Do you think Glenn Beck would be an alt-right god right now if hadn't hitched his horse so horribly incorrectly?

He seemed like a prototype figure when it came to poo poo like accusing Grover Norquist of being a terrorist because his wife is Muslim

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Enoch's wife has Jewish ancestry, but that's not the same thing as being] Jewish. She's half Jewish from her father's side, and doesn't even identify as Jewish.

Captain_Maclaine posted:

They also at least in part believe wiping your own rear end is homoerotic, and so abstain from that too.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Enoch's wife has Jewish ancestry, but that's not the same thing as being] Jewish. She's half Jewish from her father's side, and doesn't even identify as Jewish. Enoch said that "my wife is who they say she is," but that doesn't mean he was admitting to her being Jewish and saying it is so only cedes credit to Nazi race science. She went on the show to read Neonazi fanfiction. She's a revolting CHUD just like the rest of them.

My point is that considering Enoch a leader of the alt-right is a bad joke, that only gets repeated because alt-righters are so thoroughly depoliticized they think of a podcast man as a thought leader.

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Peinovich then claimed he had disassociated himself from TRS after it became overtly pro-Nazi: “I cut off ties when they went the direction they are going now, and that was 4 years ago. Honestly I have not thought much about them. As you can see from all public writings I am libertarian. My wife is Jewish. Do you really believe that I am this person?”

The TRS creator then asked Salon to help him deny that he was Enoch: “If you give any fucks at all then you could print that this is all bullshit. We are now being harassed not only by communists but by actual neo nazis.”

When asked if he would be willing to conduct a telephone interview, Peinovich replied, “Let me talk to my wife.” He never answered back.

Montasque posted:

I don't know her exact ancestry, I just know whats reported, and what Enoch told the press when he was trying to cover up the fact he was Enoch:


Basically Peinovich's argument was "I CANT BE ENOCH, MY WIFE IS A JEW!!!"

zegermans posted:

uh huh uh huh let me fill this out real quick

zegermans posted:

Do you think Glenn Beck would be an alt-right god right now if hadn't hitched his horse so horribly incorrectly?

He seemed like a prototype figure when it came to poo poo like accusing Grover Norquist of being a terrorist because his wife is Muslim

Jose posted:

its amazing how quickly milo has rebounded from being a pedo. I guess everyone else in the alt-right is too

zegermans posted:

Do you think Glenn Beck would be an alt-right god right now if hadn't hitched his horse so horribly incorrectly?

He seemed like a prototype figure when it came to poo poo like accusing Grover Norquist of being a terrorist because his wife is Muslim

HorseRenoir posted:

He didn't though? The Mercers are dumping millions into his coke habit but his big pivot into the mainstream right failed, he lost his fancy book deal, and no one is reading or talking about his antics anymore. Milo is completely irrelevant and old hat, which is a death knell for someone who's entire business model revolves around being controversial for attention

StashAugustine posted:

it's okay for men to have sex with lower races but women must only sleep with white men

Deified Data posted:

Never try to "By Your Logic" these people. You can't be a hypocrite if you just don't give a gently caress.

Scent of Worf posted:

A leftist youtube channel (Bat'ko the Manarchist) got terminated by youtube because of /pol/ mass false flagging and another leftist channel (Shaun) had one of its videos deleted and is also in danger of being terminated

the video they mass flagged? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFeDtbXdCw&t=193s

they got extremely triggered because a leftist destroyed one of lauren southern's arguments (white genocide)

Scent of Worf posted:

A leftist youtube channel (Bat'ko the Manarchist) got terminated by youtube because of /pol/ mass false flagging and another leftist channel (Shaun) had one of its videos deleted and is also in danger of being terminated

the video they mass flagged? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFeDtbXdCw&t=193s

they got extremely triggered because a leftist destroyed one of lauren southern's arguments (white genocide)

Al! posted:

idk i've seen some posts in cspam recently where ppl were saying that the reason the alt right exists is because the left doesn't spend enough time pedantically explaining things to them

Deified Data posted:

The right loves nothing more than to be taken seriously like that - doesn't even matter what the outreach looks like, they just want important ideas like kek, cultural marxism, and to have a place at the big kids' table. The most important thing anyone can do is deny them that. They only posture at wanting to appear dangerously untouchable - they desperately crave validation.

Inescapable Duck posted:

Are we going to see Silicon Valley's inevitable collapse into the Alt-Right by the end of the decade?

Deified Data posted:

Strawman aside the last quote on the left is 100% valid.

Coolness Averted posted:

facebook too, I've had lame kekistani poo poo suggested to me 2-3 times and I've reported 2 of them for hate-speech/racism but because FB is algorithmic or hiring wage slaves in India who have probably never seen a Nazi flag, the codewords or talk about (((hollywood elites))) isn't something they catch. I don't care about the pepes having their lovely spaces, I just don't want zuck cramming it down my throat

Deified Data posted:

Strawman aside the last quote on the left is 100% valid.

Deified Data posted:

Strawman aside the last quote on the left is 100% valid.

Al! posted:

idk i've seen some posts in cspam recently where ppl were saying that the reason the alt right exists is because the left doesn't spend enough time pedantically explaining things to them

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Glenn Beck is a bit too Mormon to be fully committed to a racist reactionary right. He was more the id of a typical middle aged white man's paranoia, whereas the alt-right is a "youth" movement.

Al! posted:

Azathoth posted:

The problem is that the Left engages them only to stroke their own egos and brag in their own bubble about how brave they are for confronting the chud head on, not to actually try to persuade them. Actually having a conversation, trying to empathize with them, and finding out what makes them tick, would be far more effective if the aim was to actually change their mind.

If you want to really change someone's mind, you actually have to form a connection with them and use that information to tailor a response, not bust out a pedantic or paternalistic speech about why they're wrong.

Al! posted:

personally i don't think ~a fair and good faith conversation~ is going to do anything because the entire rest of the edifice of american capitalism is built to foster the culture wars and inner-class fighting, and after your nicey nicey liberal convo they're going to go back to hang out with their buddies who will make fun of how crazy stupid and gay you are.

i think that in order to change their minds they should be provided free healthcare, housing, utilities, food, fair access to good jobs where they live and a guaranteed minimum income, and also they should be physically beaten with a fist or blunt object.

Al! posted:

personally i don't think ~a fair and good faith conversation~ is going to do anything because the entire rest of the edifice of american capitalism is built to foster the culture wars and inner-class fighting, and after your nicey nicey liberal convo they're going to go back to hang out with their buddies who will make fun of how crazy stupid and gay you are.

i think that in order to change their minds they should be provided free healthcare, housing, utilities, food, fair access to good jobs where they live and a guaranteed minimum income, and also they should be physically beaten with a fist or blunt object.

Race Realists posted:

ive always wondered:

what exactly is it about porn that attracts reactionaries?

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In pornographic literature, films, and gadgetry throughout the world, especially in the United States, England, France, Japan, Scandinavia, Holland, and Germany, the SS has become a reference of sexual adventurism. Much of the imagery of far-out sex has been placed under the sign of Nazism. More or less Nazi costumes with boots, leather, chains, Iron Crosses on gleaming torsos, swastikas, have become, along with meat hooks and heavy motorcycles, the secret and most lucrative paraphernalia of eroticism. In the sex shops, the baths, the leather bars, the brothels, people are dragging out their gear. But why? Why has Nazi Germany, which was a sexually repressive society, become erotic? How could a regime which persecuted homosexuals become a gay turn-on?

A clue lies in the predilections of the fascist leaders for highly sexual metaphors. (Like Nietzsche and Wagner, Hitler regarded leadership as sexual mastery of the “feminine” masses, as rape. The expression of the crowds in Triumph of the Will is one of ecstasy. The leader makes the crowd come.) Left-wing movements have tended to be unisex, and asexual in their imagery. Extreme right-wing movements, however puritanical and repressive the realities they usher in, have an erotic surface. Certainly Nazism is “sexier” than communism. (Which is not something to the Nazis’ credit, but rather shows something of the nature and limits of the sexual imagination.)

Of course most people who are turned on by SS uniforms are not signifying approval of what the Nazis did, if indeed they have more than the sketchiest idea of what that might be. Nevertheless, there are powerful and growing currents of sexual feeling, those that generally go by the name of sadomasochism, which make playing at Nazism seem erotic. These sadomasochistic fantasies and practices are to be found among heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, although it is among homosexuals that the eroticizing of Nazism is most visible.

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"Fascism is theater,” as Genet said.4 And sadomasochistic sexuality is more theatrical than any other. When sexuality depends so much on its being “staged,” sex (like politics) becomes choreography. Regulars of sadomasochistic sex are expert costumers and choreographers; they are performers in the professional sense. And in a drama that is all the more exciting because it is forbidden to ordinary people. “What is purely realistic, slice of life,” Leni Riefenstahl said, “what is average, quotidian, doesn’t interest me.” Crossing over from sadomasochistic fantasies, which are common enough, into action itself carries with it the thrill of transgression, blasphemy, entry into the kind of defiling experience that “nice” and “civilized” people can never have.

Sadomasochism, of course, does not just mean people hurting their sexual partners, which has always occurred—and generally means men beating up women. The perennial drunken Russian peasant thrashing his wife is just doing something he feels like doing (because he is unhappy, oppressed, stupefied; and because women are handy victims). But the Englishman in a brothel being whipped is recreating his own experience. He is paying a whore to act out a piece of theater with him, to re-enact or re-evoke the past—experiences of his schooldays or nursery which now hold for him a huge reserve of sexual energy. Today it may be the Nazi past that people invoke, in the theatricalization of sexuality, because it is that past (imaginary, for most) from which they hope a reserve of sexual energy can now be tapped. What the French call “the English vice” could, however, be said to be something of an artful affirmation of individuality: the playlet referred, after all, to the subject’s own personal case history. The fad for Nazi regalia may indicate something quite different: a response to an oppressive freedom of choice in sex (and, possibly, in other matters), to an unbearable degree of individuality.

The rituals of sadomasochism being more and more practiced, the art that is more and more devoted to rendering its themes, are perhaps only a logical extension of an affluent society’s tendency to turn every part of people’s lives into a taste, a choice. In all societies up to now, sex has mostly been an activity (something to do, without thinking about it). But once sex becomes defined as a taste, it is perhaps already on its way to becoming a self-conscious form of theater, which is what sadomasochism—a form of gratification that is both violent and indirect, very mental—is all about.