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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't actually read any Miss Marple stories. The TV shows are better, reading the books in order is very depressing. You watch her get frailer and less able to look after herself with time as she deals with all of her friends dying around her, the last few books are horrible.
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learnincurve posted:I'm a golden age of detective fiction nerd and he's absolutely not. Fair enough. And yeah, Moriarty is in one darn short story (and mentioned briefly in Hound of the Baskervilles) and I think that's it for the original work, IIRC. Plus, everything they say about him is told rather than shown - Holmes basically just says "This man is a supervillain who has been behind many major crimes and I've been tracking him forever!" and then they have a brief standoff. That's it.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:35
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It is very clear that the draw of Holmes is in the character rather than in the stories told around him. This is why you get Holmes but as a Doctor and such. He is the prototype of the prickly genius archetype.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:36
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Bicyclops posted:And yeah, Moriarty is in one darn short story (and mentioned briefly in Hound of the Baskervilles) and I think that's it for the original work, IIRC. It was "The Final Problem" and The Valley of Fear that had Moriarty and his presence in the latter is, as you say, pretty incidental.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:38
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learnincurve posted:The TV shows are better, reading the books in order is very depressing. You watch her get frailer and less able to look after herself with time as she deals with all of her friends dying around her, the last few books are horrible. Oh, great. I just started with the first one recently. Went through all of Poirot and figured it was time. I can't wait to vicariously experience Dame Agatha's depression in real time again.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:39
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On Detective tv I am exactly one episode into the Miss Fischer mysteries show on Netflix. It's a about a twenties Flapper who solves crimes in Australia, and it is pretty good so far.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:40
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learnincurve posted:As a side note it always utterly amazes me that Moriarty and Adler feature so prominently in pretty much anything Sherlock Holmes, because there is pretty much gently caress all written about them by Conan Doyle. Trust me, 90% of what you think you know about the pair of them comes from fan fiction going right back to the 1890s. Have you ever read Professor Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles or Angels of Music by Kim Newman?
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Bicyclops posted:Oh, great. I just started with the first one recently. Went through all of Poirot and figured it was time. I can't wait to vicariously experience Dame Agatha's depression in real time again. Don't read the last tommy and tuppence whatever you do. Christie had dementia when she wrote it and had no concept of what time was, it's absolute nightmare fuel. Hey I could spare people a lot of pain here couldn't I. Campion mysteries turn to absolute poo poo at book 18, the mind readers. Lord Peter Wimsey Series: run screaming from book 11, The Nine Tailors, trust me trust me trust me. Last two books in the series, In the Teeth of the Evidence and Striding folly are a big old lump of massive let down.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:50
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learnincurve posted:a big list of rules. Only one secret passage per story? Pah, John Dickson Carr laughs at your so-called rules
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think there's only one really supernatural Holmes story (Adventure of the Creeping Man). Professor Challenger is where Doyle put all his newfound belief in spiritualism. I remember downloading a lot of Conan Doyle when I was on a public domain kick after getting a Kindle, and starting off The Poison Cloud. "Alright, so Earth is passing through a toxic cloud in the luminous aether, lol but I'll give it a pass because it's early sci-fi schlock. It's making everyone irrationally pissed off, cool, it's affecting lower lying areas first somehow, so everyone at sea level is screwed. All good so far. Oh, it's killing all the non-white people first because they have less developed brains nope nope gently caress this  "
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Jul 19, 2017 17:04
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learnincurve posted:Campion mysteries turn to absolute poo poo at book 18, the mind readers. In fairness, that was the last one Allingham wrote by herself before she died, then the last couple after it were by her husband.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Only one secret passage per story? Pah, John Dickson Carr laughs at your so-called rules I can only think of To Wake the Dead as having even ONE secret passage in a JDC story, are there any I'm missing? (I know you're not being entirely serious, but secret passages are basically unforgiveable in a fair play detective story, and dammit, John Dickson Carr was better than that. Mostly)
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learnincurve posted:Holmes was a prototype, and in fact he wasn't actually very well written, his stories compare to a lot of others even at the time were bad, so bad in fact the golden age detective writers actually sat down in 1929 and wrote a big list of rules. This list rules, and should be followed by more movies/TV shows today. Except that secret passage way thing. Because Clue had 2, and Clue rules.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Have you ever read Professor Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles or Angels of Music by Kim Newman? Naw sorry, my reading list is far too long to add on stuff from series I'm not really into, it's just a different genre to the stuff I read which is mostly E.C. Bentley (1913) onwards. If anyone wants a jump in point then James Anderson nailed elements from golden age and P.G. Wodehouse with his semi-satirical burford family series https://www.goodreads.com/series/68720-burford-family
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Only one secret passage per story? Pah, John Dickson Carr laughs at your so-called rules I mean, Poirot alone would like to have some words about the narrator concealing things and the detective committing the crime.
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sinepost posted:I can only think of To Wake the Dead as having even ONE secret passage in a JDC story, are there any I'm missing? Yeah, I was making a not entirely accurate joke about the master of Stories That Are Kind of Fair I Guess? But Not Really Meanwhile, I heartily recommend X Jones of Scotland Yard by Harry Stephen Keeler. A man is found dead in the middle of a lawn, and police suspect a midget who disguises himself as a baby while strangling people from helicopter! The solution? He has a genetic condition that supposedly he got by being descended from Napoleon that makes him go mad and then die suddenly in a way that looks exactly like he's been strangled It's really masterful stuff
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http://home.williampoundstone.net/Keeler/Home.html For potential fans of Keeler (that's literally everyone)
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MrL_JaKiri posted:http://home.williampoundstone.net/Keeler/Home.html That looks amazing. The world is full of so many weird and wonderful writers. 
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DancingShade posted:bright neon pink dress with sequins and glitter JNT account spotted.
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thrawn527 posted:This list rules, and should be followed by more movies/TV shows today. What is your problem with Chinese people?
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marktheando posted:What is your problem with Chinese people? Okay, to be fair, I forgot about that one when I posted. But the way they meant in this rule, I mentally read it as, "Don't do yellow peril stories like the second episode of Sherlock."
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thrawn527 posted:Okay, to be fair, I forgot about that one when I posted. But the way they meant in this rule, I mentally read it as, "Don't do yellow peril stories like the second episode of Sherlock." Haha seems uh, a little unlikely for 1929. I just assumed the writers were bitter about the popularity of Charlie Chan.
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Man, I wandered in here to take a break from work/the Trump thread and suddenly remembered, as I saw the thread, that Jodie Whittaker is the Doctor.  Then I remember how far away her series is and why I forgot in the first place 
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marktheando posted:Haha seems uh, a little unlikely for 1929. There were some horrifically racist Holmes stories involving chinamen that simply went too far, even for the people of 1929.
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learnincurve posted:There were some horrifically racist Holmes stories involving chinamen that simply went too far, even for the people of 1929. We're still talking about the second episode of Sherlock right?
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That or Talons
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marktheando posted:Haha seems uh, a little unlikely for 1929. I didn't say I was right. But that's where my mind went.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That or Talons Mind you, Talons did at least have one of the horrific racist Chinese caricature villains drily say "Of course, we all look the same to you".
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marktheando posted:We're still talking about the second episode of Sherlock right? I never watched it, I'm assuming sign of the four. Did they faithfully recreate the sinister Chinese manservant, the savage Muslims, and the evil pigmy cannibal? Edit: ah there we go, that's the reason most people think the fan fiction is the canon version, gently caress people like Steven Fry and Moffat for whitewashing this bullshit. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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The Doctor Who RPG and a bunch of sourcebooks and stuff for It are in the new Humble book bundle. I don't really play these kinds of things (my brother and I tried out the DBZ game for a little bit in high school I think but it was just the two of us and neither of us really had much idea what we were doing so it went about as well as you'd expect) but I really enjoy flicking through game books based on properties I like (the aforementioned DBZ, I bought a bunch of the old Paladium Robotech books off eBay a few years back when I was in a real Macross/Robotech phase) so I'm pretty interested just on that front.
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Yeah that bundle is absolutely worth it for the Doctor sourcebooks alone.
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Ronald Knox posted:The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know. ... what? 
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remusclaw posted:On Detective tv I am exactly one episode into the Miss Fischer mysteries show on Netflix. It's a about a twenties Flapper who solves crimes in Australia, and it is pretty good so far. Miss Fisher is real good for that type of mystery show, but I was disappointed when her Watson turns out to be her shy Catholic maid, and not the cool lesbian doctor from the pilot.
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remusclaw posted:It is very clear that the draw of Holmes is in the character rather than in the stories told around him. This is why you get Holmes but as a Doctor and such. He is the prototype of the prickly genius archetype. demota posted:... what? E: Part of the reason I actually like Terror of the Vervoids is that it's clearly trying to be an Agatha Christie-style story.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSWfRzN5t1w Knockoffs are always good The Dentist and his Sonic Amiibo, zooming around in the TARGUS - Time And Relative Girth Under Space Fund it
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Yvonmukluk posted:It seems the Daleks haven't taken the news of the 13th Doctor's identity well: You know I think they missed a real chance to explore a pretty fascinating concept here. The Doctor's quiet,"Since when do the Daleks have a concept of blasphemy?" or words to that effect is just dripping with promise. Daleks built from human DNA: Daleks that aren't technically Daleks, know this, and HATE themselves for it driving them even more insane than usual to the point that they develop religious mania for the "true" perfection of the Dalek Emperor and start to consider it a god (and it is insane too so it happily embraces the concept). But it's all mostly incidental outside of the Bad Wolf casting down the Emperor's delusions of grandeur ("I am God!" "You are nothing!") and they're all wiped out. egon_beeblebrox posted:Is it worth listening to The War Doctor audios in order? I've got a bit of extra money and want to buy one. If it doesn't matter, which is the best one? I think the last boxset is (unfortunately) the one where the series finally started to live up to the promise of the utter batshit insanity of the Time War, though it relies on pre-established characterization/events from the other audios for the relationship between the Doctor and Ollistra to really hit home. They're all perfectly listenable but the first three suffer a bit in that they feel like you could easily slot any other incarnation of the Doctor into 80% of the events of the stories and it wouldn't feel out of place. You could argue this is intentional since the War Doctor's insistence he doesn't deserve the name Doctor is meant to be inaccurate, but in my opinion there should still be some point of distinction between him and the other incarnations - for the most part none of the horrible things he does stands outside the range of actions the other Doctors could (or have) done in the past.
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amiibo you say? I can think of only one person to star in that show! Me! Jerusalem posted:I think the last boxset is (unfortunately) the one where the series finally started to live up to the promise of the utter batshit insanity of the Time War, though it relies on pre-established characterization/events from the other audios for the relationship between the Doctor and Ollistra to really hit home. They're all perfectly listenable but the first three suffer a bit in that they feel like you could easily slot any other incarnation of the Doctor into 80% of the events of the stories and it wouldn't feel out of place. You could argue this is intentional since the War Doctor's insistence he doesn't deserve the name Doctor is meant to be inaccurate, but in my opinion there should still be some point of distinction between him and the other incarnations - for the most part none of the horrible things he does stands outside the range of actions the other Doctors could (or have) done in the past. Yeah, I wasn't expecting the Doctor to suddenly be a vengeful god or anything...but the War Doctor just feels like any other Doctor, except grumpy about it. jivjov fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Cleretic posted:Like how Twelve didn't really have a single signature outfit, but he definitely had a look that they played around within. I hope he remembers not to wear the sweater with all the holes in it before he regenerates. 
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jivjov posted:Yeah that bundle is absolutely worth it for the Doctor sourcebooks alone. Yeah, I went ahead and got it and skimmed through the First Doctor sourcebook on my phone while waiting for a doctor's appointment that was running behind. Exactly the kind of thing I like from these sorts of things.
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