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Monglo posted:
"Torture is wrong" is not unreasonable, you dipshit. And it still isn't ethical in his own hypothetical, because it cannot actually prevent anything because it cannot provide useful information, therefore there won't be a sufficient end to justify those means.
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Jul 20, 2017 02:20
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There is no conceivable scenario where torturing people prevents deaths. It doesn't work as punishment or as a source of information. Why would you bother to expend time and effort concocting some bizzare scenario justifying it? Like maybe I'm super weird but I don't spend time trying to justify doing things unless I want to do them. Or on the off chance that it's something where I think something being perceived as unjustified causes harm, which really doesn't seem the case with torture because lots of people do that already and it does no good. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 02:28
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Monglo posted:The article seems extremely biased. I mean if Sam Harris really said those words in the way its portrayed, don't you think Maajid Nawaz, a Muslim brown person, the podcast guest, would not object to it? It's taken out of context, when Harris asks the question he is expressing a position that he doesn't personally share. No, it's not ethical to do something horrible to a person to get information that will be literally useless. Action for the sake of action is rarely ethical.
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Jul 20, 2017 02:29
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^^actually read that dude's post insteadMonglo posted:EDIT: SSNeoman,I understood it that he specifically equates torture of POW to the inevitable collateral damage of hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians which is inevitable in modern warfare. Would you not agree that torturing a single POW is ethical if it spares the civilians? It's a hypothetical scenario, I admit, but does that Rob the question of its merits? Given how ineffective torture is, and what its outcomes are, no. I would not agree. So yes, the question is extremely ignorant and without merit. Like dude this isn't even "well in a vacuum..." this is "no this doesn't work ever ever ever don't do this."
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Jul 20, 2017 02:34
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Well, if torture never-ever works or at least is extremely unreliable in producing information, then you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Jul 20, 2017 02:39
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Monglo posted:EDIT: SSNeoman,I understood it that he specifically equates torture of POW to the inevitable collateral damage of hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians which is inevitable in modern warfare. Would you not agree that torturing a single POW is ethical if it spares the civilians? It's a hypothetical scenario, I admit, but does that Rob the question of its merits? Being impossible means it's worthless, yes.
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Jul 20, 2017 02:40
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Jul 20, 2017 02:50
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Jul 20, 2017 02:55
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Monglo posted:Are you talking about Stewart Lee, the British comedian? Yeah, he's great. How about profiling, bombing, and torture? I initially believed he was just flirting with those ideas and thinking about those subjects like a philosopher. However, a person can only suggest so many bad ideas before you start to think they personally believe them. Midig fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 03:34
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OwlFancier posted:There is no conceivable scenario where torturing people prevents deaths. Sam Harris is gonna strap a bunch of bombs to himself, walk into a crowded area, grab a person and yell "IF SOMEONE DOESN'T TORTURE THIS PERSON BEFORE I COUNT TO 20 I'M GOING TO SET THESE BOMBS OFF!" I bet you'll feel so owned when that happens! Monglo posted:It's a hypothetical scenario, I admit, but does that Rob the question of its merits? To illustrate why this reasoning is dumb, consider an example where a person says the following: "If Jewish people really are leading our society towards destruction, then aren't we justified in expelling them?" It's just a hypothetical, right? So there should be nothing racist about that according to your logic? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 04:42
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Monglo posted:Well, if torture never-ever works or at least is extremely unreliable in producing information, then you're right.
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Jul 20, 2017 05:51
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Jul 20, 2017 07:12
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Some people just are never going to budge if all you do is go at them with "torture is unethical" arguments. Its ineffectiveness is how you hit people who like to pretend that they're being rational. "If it doesn't work then why are we doing it? Maybe you're just an idiot who loves violence for its own sake?"
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Jul 20, 2017 07:20
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Harris Is an insufferable shithead because he, more than anyone else that I can recall off the top of my head consistently makes awful, bigoted opinions, and every time he's called out on it, he insists people are "misunderstanding" what he's saying. Then he attempts to "clarify" his position by making it sound a bit less horrible, yet somehow it still sounds just as lovely as what he was initially saying. I honestly never liked him that much, even before right-wing atheism became trendy. Groovelord Neato posted:that was chris hitchens. And he may have still wanted to bomb muslims afterwards, but at least you could give him credit for backing off supporting water boarding after that little experiment. ' Monglo posted:The article seems extremely biased. I mean if Sam Harris really said those words in the way its portrayed, don't you think Maajid Nawaz, a Muslim brown person, the podcast guest, would not object to it? Um, not to profile or anything (LOL irony, right??), but that dude has been on the David Rubin program and they had a grand ole time agreeing with each other, and if you know that Rubin seems to have this curious habit of inviting almost entirely right-wing people on his show, well, then his muslin credentials don't really help much.
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Jul 20, 2017 07:23
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Mr Interweb posted:This Bearing guy seems like a class-A shitheel as well. He was "debating" some lefty youtuber, and was the most rude, douchey and foul dipshit I've seen from the Rationals. I think this is a good example of how much of a shithead Bearing is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiIXqK0Hvuc
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Jul 20, 2017 07:24
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Monglo posted:His article in defence of torture just demonstrates how we perceive torture in an unreasonable light, much worse that bombings, for example, which isnt right - bombing civilians should be less preferable.
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Jul 20, 2017 09:14
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I liked it when he made jokes about a blind autistic kid raping his mother because he cant understand right and wrong due to being autistic! yeah that was funny as gently caress edit: my favourite comedian is noted libertarian doug stanhope, a man who has a 10 minute but about raping a black American football player and getting aids and it's the funniest thing I've ever heard Whorelord fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 10:18
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On the topic of Maajid Nawaz, Carlgon did an interview with him on youtube a few weeks ago. I didn't watch it because Carlgon but I wonder if Nawaz knows about Sargon/has any idea of his content. I'd imagine so if he consented to an interview, which I find very unsettling given Nawaz is an MP. Even for a Lib Dem, that's a pretty poor show.
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Jul 20, 2017 10:42
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PiCroft posted:On the topic of Maajid Nawaz, Carlgon did an interview with him on youtube a few weeks ago. I didn't watch it because Carlgon but I wonder if Nawaz knows about Sargon/has any idea of his content. I'd imagine so if he consented to an interview, which I find very unsettling given Nawaz is an MP. Nawaz is not an MP. He was a candidate in 2015 but as with most Lib Dem candidates, he lost. Badly. Got under 6% of the vote. (Which actually means he did better than a large number of his fellow Lib Dem candidates, 340 of whom got less than 5%.
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Jul 20, 2017 11:02
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forkboy84 posted:Nawaz is not an MP. He was a candidate in 2015 but as with most Lib Dem candidates, he lost. Badly. Got under 6% of the vote. (Which actually means he did better than a large number of his fellow Lib Dem candidates, 340 of whom got less than 5%. Oh really? Shows how much attention I pay. I mainly know him from his association with Quilliam and Quilliam from Douglas Murray.
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Jul 20, 2017 11:42
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Monglo posted:so quick to throw around hurtful insults like racist? Can we all take a minute to acknowledge the real victims of the culture war?
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Jul 20, 2017 12:54
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I've definitely noticed that a person can say a lot of pretty racist poo poo for a long time, but when it's pointed out as being racist, the conversation devolves into a tedious, pedantic rhetorical marathon where what's suddenly the most important thing to discuss is the gall of pointing out that the racist poo poo being said was racist.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:28
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Yes because you see you calling me a racist is very hurtful to my identity as a non racist and you need to respect the way I choose to identify you beta cuck.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:35
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murphyslaw posted:I've definitely noticed that a person can say a lot of pretty racist poo poo for a long time, but when it's pointed out as being racist, the conversation devolves into a tedious, pedantic rhetorical marathon where what's suddenly the most important thing to discuss is the gall of pointing out that the racist poo poo being said was racist. Didn't you catch the memo? Being called racist is the equivalent for whites to being called the n-word if you're a black person. It's a poo poo opinion, but lots of the lower class has this opinion so it almost always gets brought up. It's partially caused by the fact that actively being racist costs you jobs and social contacts to a small extent now, while being the target of racism now involves a little less economic and social ostracism. I'd call it progress, but good luck convincing fragile underclass whites of it.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:38
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Have you guys seen any of Suit Yourself's videos? He seems to be an enormous jackass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Y0WX3bjz4
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Jul 20, 2017 18:08
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fallenturtle posted:Have you guys seen any of Suit Yourself's videos? He seems to be an enormous jackass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Y0WX3bjz4 The Taiwan joke level of video animation is certainly a gimmick I haven't seen before.
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Jul 20, 2017 19:03
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Kibayasu posted:The Taiwan joke level of video animation is certainly a gimmick I haven't seen before. He really has a chip on his shoulder for who he calls "transtrenders" which is what he calls transgender people he doesn't think are really transgender. Edit: I learned a new word... Suit is apparently a "truscum". fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 19:33
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What, I wonder, is the motivation for pretending to be transgender.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:01
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rkajdi posted:Didn't you catch the memo? Being called racist is the equivalent for whites to being called the n-word if you're a black person. It's a poo poo opinion, but lots of the lower class has this opinion so it almost always gets brought up.  Plenty of middle class people are also racist. Trump's supporters were mostly middle class whites. I understand that there are some dumb redneck or whatever, but turning that into some greater "poor people are racist and bad" point is absurd.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:03
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Yeah, "transtrender" is a word used to poo poo on non-binary and genderqueer folk by other folk that police trans people for not being "trans" enough by not living up to said individuals standard of being out/transitioning/gender expression.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:05
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I look forward to the day when we just throw handfuls of scrabble tiles at each other, screaming like howler monkeys.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:32
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Ytlaya posted:Plenty of middle class people are also racist. Trump's supporters were mostly middle class whites. I understand that there are some dumb redneck or whatever, but turning that into some greater "poor people are racist and bad" point is absurd.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:32
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cdc released a report that more than half of all murders of women are committed by an intimate partner (current or ex). but it's the feminists we must worry about.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:40
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Groovelord Neato posted:cdc released a report that more than half of all murders of women are committed by an intimate partner (current or ex). Christ. I knew the proportion was high, but I didn't think it was THAT high. I wonder if there's a correlation between that rate and availability of domestic abuse support in an area (i.e. more support = fewer intimate partner murders).
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Jul 20, 2017 21:01
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Smash the patriarchy before it murders you, tbh.
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Jul 20, 2017 21:02
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jfood posted:I look forward to the day when we just throw handfuls of scrabble tiles at each other, screaming like howler monkeys. I'm pretty sure you're just describing every alt-right video about "sjws." Groovelord Neato posted:cdc released a report that more than half of all murders of women are committed by an intimate partner (current or ex). Well that's loving depressing. Link here for the curious or skeptical.
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Jul 20, 2017 21:20
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business hammocks posted:Some of them are so stupid and self-defeating that they're fun to watch. Carl is just poo poo for the most part. Also he's a 40-year-old high-school dropout if you haven't heard. FWIW, Carl claims he went to two years of Uni before dropping out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07qPpmsY7NM&t=3558s
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Jul 20, 2017 21:59
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That shouldn't really be possible without finishing school, you need a post-school qualification to qualify for university so unless he went to a university building to do a non-university qualification I don't see how he could.
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"should white identity exist" hooo boy that sounds like a doozy of a vidya.
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