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That's just Trump honoring John McCain by taking a page out of the book of not knowing anything about how normal people live.
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It's insurance, Michael, what could it cost? Ten dollars?
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normal people: While I disagree with his policies, his tenure in the senate and his career in the military, I wish him and his family well in this trying time. My thoughts and prayers go out to them. goons: VitalSigns posted:How do you feel about the death of bin Laden?
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Don't you get it goons, the mass murderer wore a tie while he did it, and he didn't even get any blood directly on him, so the only normal response is to politely but respectfully disagree with the murderer. What is so hard about this, did you not notice his very nice tie and pressed collar?
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Jul 20, 2017 06:22
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It's not like anyone's gonna be actually hurt by a healthcare plan that results in millions of Americans (including myself) losing access to healthcare. Just peasants.
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Jul 20, 2017 06:33
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If humans weren't mortal than we'd all be slaves, so it's pretty stupid to act like the single greatest driver of progress in human history (powerful, lovely people dying) is some immense tragedy.
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So what are the chances of the health-care bill gets revived before it goes to that vote they have planned? What are the chances that under the pressure of the vote they vote it in to the shock and horror of us all?
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Jul 20, 2017 07:43
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I'm sorry John, we went through your paperwork and this form was not filled out so we're not covering your surgery. We hear good things about GoFundMe.
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The Phlegmatist posted:normal people: While I disagree with his policies, his tenure in the senate and his career in the military, I wish him and his family well in this trying time. My thoughts and prayers go out to them. Lol you think people not on a dead gay comedy forum don't love schadenfreude too. I am convinced our new president maybe a result of it. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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The Phlegmatist posted:normal people: While I disagree with his policies, his tenure in the senate and his career in the military, I wish him and his family well in this trying time. My thoughts and prayers go out to them. Tone policing, nice. Hope there aren't any black goons in this thread, Officer The Phlegmatist has an itchy trigger finger.
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Republicans don't seem to have much idea of a normal family budget. Remember that Congressman who thought that families could give up buying new iPhones to pay for healthcare? Someone should sit them down with the actual budget of a young family on $40k a year (healthcare not provided by employer), including a detailed breakdown of grocery and utility costs. Their minds would be blown.
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The Phlegmatist posted:normal people: While I disagree with his policies, his tenure in the senate and his career in the military, I wish him and his family well in this trying time. My thoughts and prayers go out to them. Yes, goons are the only cold-hearted ideologues on the internet. And normal people would never wish ill upon people they've never met for everything from emotional to very petty reasons.
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PT6A posted:And in Canada, for the most part, the same can be said. There's a vanishingly small portion of people who would do away with public healthcare -- the "extreme right" position in Canada is "what if we allowed some private doctors/hospitals?" Like, the only real point of debate is "should rich people be able to purchase healthcare privately?" and I've seen no proposal for US healthcare that would in any way forbid that. Most services in Canada are private, they just have a single payer system with the option for supplemental private insurance. This might seem pedantic, but it's an important point because so many people think Canada has a socialized health system when they just have public healthcare.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:52
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Hate to have to quote you again but when you're right you're right: "I mean, how much can a banana cost anyway, $10?"
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What I'm getting from that quote isn't just that Trump has no idea what things cost, it's that he doesn't understand the difference between health insurance and life insurance.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:00
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eviltastic posted:What I'm getting from that quote isn't just that Trump has no idea what things cost, it's that he doesn't understand the difference between health insurance and life insurance. Don't steal from Evilweasel
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Anyone else feel we are heading to a Nov 9th all over again? You know? Like, it just feels off. Like, we all think it's fine and we're safe and all of that and put our guard down. Then, boom! It passed under everyone's notice. What if some "no"s vote "yes" because they think its dead and it passes on accident? They did that on accident once to override a president veto just two years ago!
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Trump is a guy who has probably never shopped for groceries in his entire life so it probably is too much for him to comprehend healthcare needs for the vast majority of people.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Trump is a guy who has probably never shopped for groceries in his entire life so it probably is too much for him to comprehend healthcare needs for the vast majority of people. Reminds me of the infamous quote by former senator Ben Nelson, who said he had never used an ATM: quote:One amendment never debated was a proposal from Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) to cap ATM fees. The Senate's lack of interest in the issue may stem from a lack of experience with ATMs -- at least in the case of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), the Omaha World-Herald reports. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ben-nelson-i-dont-know-how-to-use-an-atm/
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KildarX posted:Lol you think people not on a dead gay comedy forum don't love schadenfreude too. I am convinced our new president maybe a result of it. It's a weird look for the left when a conversation immediately goes from "the GOP lacks empathy, they'll never support universal healthcare because that means people they don't like will receive coverage" to "the old man I don't like is dying of cancer and I'm glad of it."
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The Phlegmatist posted:It's a weird look for the left when a conversation immediately goes from "the GOP lacks empathy, they'll never support universal healthcare because that means people they don't like will receive coverage" to "the old man I don't like is dying of cancer and I'm glad of it." There's a difference between lacking empathy for an entire populace whom you've never met and lacking empathy for a specific person where you have evidence that shows that person is not deserving of your empathy.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Don't steal from Evilweasel Reading every page of USPOL is bad for you. (Also figuring out what you were talking about was a pain because that post isn't showing up in his post history for some weird reason.)
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Jul 20, 2017 17:15
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Most services in Canada are private, they just have a single payer system with the option for supplemental private insurance. This might seem pedantic, but it's an important point because so many people think Canada has a socialized health system when they just have public healthcare. Correct, I should've said "what if we allow people to purchase covered services directly?"
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eviltastic posted:Reading every page of USPOL is bad for you. Yeah I feel like I acquired a mental illness today. I'm a bundle of "gonna have cancer" pre-existing conditions so I have to know how this healthcare poo poo is going, though.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Republicans don't seem to have much idea of a normal family budget. Remember that Congressman who thought that families could give up buying new iPhones to pay for healthcare? Someone should sit them down with the actual budget of a young family on $40k a year (healthcare not provided by employer), including a detailed breakdown of grocery and utility costs. Their minds would be blown. They probably do know. It's just that they don't give a poo poo for anyone making less than 250k a year.
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The Phlegmatist posted:It's a weird look for the left when a conversation immediately goes from "the GOP lacks empathy, they'll never support universal healthcare because that means people they don't like will receive coverage" to "the old man I don't like is dying of cancer and I'm glad of it." You really don't understand the concept of context, do you
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Now now, D&D also gets giddy at the thought of red state addicts, diabetics, and coal miners dying for the sin of voting against what the Democratic Party has deemed their interests. Eh, I'd really like to see that letter. There's a lot of daylight between, "lol, guess you better move then - XOXO, John" and "While I wish to express my deepest sympathies for your misfortune, there is literally nothing a US Senator can do to unfuck your issue with Arizona's Medicaid system in an amount of time that will make a difference for your husband, so my advice would be to go wherever you think you can get him the best care. "
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Dead Reckoning posted:"While I wish to express my deepest sympathies for your misfortune, there is literally nothing a US Senator can do to unfuck your issue with Arizona's Medicaid system in an amount of time that will make a difference for your husband, so my advice would be to go wherever you think you can get him the best care. " And then proceeded to do nothing about this issue despite being a very powerful man. I think Republicans *would* like it if Blue states enacted universal healthcare, so that Red states could take advantage of their bleeding hearts and send all penniless sick people for a bit of "bus therapy" to California. "They like the sick so much, they can take care of them, instead of taking money out of *our* pockets!"
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Reik posted:There's a difference between lacking empathy for an entire populace whom you've never met and lacking empathy for a specific person where you have evidence that shows that person is not deserving of your empathy. "Sorry, sir, we've run the numbers and decided that you, a human being, are not deserving of empathy." -- an actual, like, humanist I guess Becoming the moral arbiter of who deserves to live and who deserves to die based on your own personal political views is actually pretty loving gross.
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The Phlegmatist posted:"Sorry, sir, we've run the numbers and decided that you, a human being, are not deserving of empathy." -- an actual, like, humanist I guess Wow John McCain, your neural degeneration is progressing a lot faster than we thought it would
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The Phlegmatist posted:"Sorry, sir, we've run the numbers and decided that you, a human being, are not deserving of empathy." -- an actual, like, humanist I guess This is usually the part of the argument where we bring up serial killers and architects of genocide and we find where your line is, FYI. There's no version of this conversation where you don't end up looking dumb.
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The Phlegmatist posted:"Sorry, sir, we've run the numbers and decided that you, a human being, are not deserving of empathy." -- an actual, like, humanist I guess Personally lacking sympathy for a specific person for specific actions is not moral arbitration. No one at all is hiding behind any amount of objectivity when they state that they don't care about his well being. We aren't talking about policy, here. We're talking about the feelings of one person for another person. Stating that "true leftists" can only ever have the utmost, objective, and uncompromising sense of empthy for every living thing is unrealistic gatekeeping. It is doomed to failure and ultimately, steeped in hypocrisy.
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Xombie posted:Personally lacking sympathy for a specific person for specific actions is not moral arbitration. No one at all is hiding behind any amount of objectivity when they state that they don't care about his well being. Nice post and avatar
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"When they go low we go high, that'll surely win us a bundle of elections" -liberals, 2016
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Covok posted:So what are the chances of the health-care bill gets revived before it goes to that vote they have planned? What are the chances that under the pressure of the vote they vote it in to the shock and horror of us all? It will never die as long as Republicans have a majority and want to find money for tax cuts. They will keep trying until it passes or they lose control.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Becoming the moral arbiter of who deserves to live and who deserves to die based on your own personal political views is actually pretty loving gross. Actually McCain is a Christian who believes that everything that happens is part of God's plan. So who are we to say that it is not moral and right to applaud the trial that God has laid before McCain? Truly in this time of crisis it would be wrong of us to not take this opportunity to celebrate the mystery of faith.
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The Phlegmatist posted:"Sorry, sir, we've run the numbers and decided that you, a human being, are not deserving of empathy." -- an actual, like, humanist I guess You are describing republicans. Republicans want to murder you. They want to murder me. This is not a conflict where the winner is the one that is most pious and righteous. The winning side is measured in human lives and any conduct that normalizes and lionizes the side that wants to murder us costs lives. Mealy mouthed lip service to the sanctity of the life of a would-be mass murderer is sickly ironic and morally hollow. I will gladly dispense with it. You want empathy? Have empathy for people with cancer who can't get the world class care he's getting. The same people that McCain would meekly vote to eliminate coverage for entirely if he had the chance.
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Hopefully that old bastard, who by the way was the worst of the Keating Five, never gets the chance.
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Xombie posted:Stating that "true leftists" can only ever have the utmost, objective, and uncompromising sense of empthy for every living thing is unrealistic gatekeeping. It is doomed to failure and ultimately, steeped in hypocrisy. It's not unrealistic gatekeeping, it's the ideal of the left and something that we should be striving for in everything we do, not something that should be glossed over and forgotten as "leftist locker room talk" or someshit. Cheerleading the death of an old man with horrifying brain cancer because he had the wrong politics isn't something anyone, left or right, should be doing, sorry. If you're gonna roll around in that particular pile of pig poo poo, then say hi to the Freepers for me.
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The Phlegmatist posted:"Sorry, sir, we've run the numbers and decided that you, a human being, are not deserving of empathy." -- an actual, like, humanist I guess You'll note I'm not saying McCain shouldn't have healthcare, just that I don't care about him.
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