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Rookersh posted:This is the oddest Rome game I've ever played. I'm in a Rome 2 campaign where I wanted to scootch Carthage out of Sardinia so I incited a rebellion. The rebels took the city, and I proceeded to take it from the rebels. Now Carthage absolutely loves me and is my military ally. I think some added features could help these games. I know that people have been asking for some kind of "causus belli" feature for the campaign map where you don't have to take a huge penalty if someone you have a treaty with is using agents against you or raiding territory. Would be tough to implement, but getting poo poo on because I'm defending myself is not fun.
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Med 2 kinda had that with excommunication.
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Jul 18, 2017 14:33
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It was kinda broken though. If you got excommunicated, you'd expand super fast because suddenly everyone wants to attack you but then you'd get more penalties for killing Christians (that attacked you)
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Jul 18, 2017 15:12
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best part about the pope seat in med2 was murdering all the candidates that opposed you.
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Jul 18, 2017 16:31
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In Rome 2 DeI as Rome, I got put at war with Carthage via event after conquering Syracuse. (Even though we were doing a joint assault, we even still have +relations from helping each other, lol politics). Is there any event to force peace with them after taking some more territory or is this the start of the standard TW AI foreverwar where I have to grind them into the dust? I dream of an RTW3 where there are actually 3 seperate Punic Wars, at least sometimes.
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Jul 20, 2017 00:55
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Alright screw it. I'm just not enjoying Rome 2 anymore. I could list the reasons, but I think most of them have already been said in the thread. I just realized today that I got home and had no interest in loading up my Rome 2 campaign. I really enjoy/enjoyed Rome 1 when I loaded it up last week, and have been getting an itch to play it instead of Rome 2. My only problem is I'm not fond of how limited the factions/starts are ( even with the unlocker ), I'm not a huge fan of the ahistorical stuff ( scratch that, not SANDALS level, I just want Gauls to not be a fully united faction. I want Greece to be angry city states not SPARTA and REBELS. Ya know. Gameplay poo poo. ), and it looks a bit old on the map in terms of how small some areas are ( Greece with 10 cities all next to each other. ). I'm torn right now where I want the mixed factions of Rome 2 ( or at least you know, an Iberian Tribe, 2ish Gaul Tribes to fight each other, Brits, 1-2ish Germanic Tribes to fight each other, Macedonia AND Greece/maybe Epirus, Carthage also fighting in Iberia, etc ), but I'd prefer to play Rome 1. So I guess what I'm asking is, what's the current go to overhaul for Rome 1 that does all that? What are the mods I should be looking for when it comes to Rome 1. Googling around seems to bring up Europa Barbaroum ( which seems to be grog heaven over what I might be looking for ), Roma Surrectum 2 ( which seems cool if a little intense/apparently starts with Hannibal just making GBS threads on Rome. ), and Rome Total Realism which ????. Any I'm missing? Which is best. Should I install Darthmod? Any other mods I should know about for Rome 1 that are also cool?
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Jul 20, 2017 06:42
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I always played Rome Total Realism, which imo was pretty solid. Its been a long, long time since I played it, but I remember it being a significant upgrade. More accurate factions and units, generally improved campaign mechanics, and units generally had higher morale so battles didn't end instantly, but not to the degree that everyone fought to the death. Didn't come across as excessively grognardy, either. I'm pretty sure they had a larger campaign map as well and pushed it eastwards, but I don't recall how many factions there were. I know they took the prior minor ones like Dacia, Thrace, Pontus, etc, and fleshed them out, and they added Illyria and Bactria, but did so at the expense of making the British Isles have nothing but rebels, collapsed Rome into one faction, among some other things (due to the hardcoded limits on the number of factions). I'd give it a shot, tho, I remember it being a real significant upgrade to Rome 1 and was the game I spent a lot of my time back then playing. Tried EB once and I saw some trait I didn't know, hovered over it to see what it did, and got some paragraph long tooltip full of latin phrases and gave up instantly. Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 07:07
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Rome Total Realism is pretty good overall, and doesn't have as much feature creep as EB or Roma Surrectum 2. Last I checked it also had dedicated mod editions that focused on different time periods. EB is a slog to play because the developers are grogs. Roma Surrectum pushes the game engine to its absolute limits and crams so much into the game that it has to cut corners with music and loading screen text (because the game would literally crash if they tried to give each faction more than one loading screen blurb). It's more fun to play than EB, but it is heavily script reliant and leads to the aforementioned Hannibal crisis. If you have Barbarian Invasion, the Fourth Age Total War mods are pretty fun. It's basically a fanfiction sequel to Lord of the Rings that covers the time from the Appendecies where the kingdoms of men fought each other before finally uniting. Way better mod than Medieval 2's Third Age Total War, which is just garrison stack hell. the Napoleonic Wars mod is also pretty impressive. Lacks a campaign, but if you want to futz around with custom battles it can be a riot. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 07:49
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Rome Total Realism is your best shot if you absolutely must play Rome: Total War. EB is interesting to play as, but also somehow an absolutely miserable gameplay experience. It is the Dominions of Total War mods.
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Jul 20, 2017 13:50
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My main issue with EB is that it crashes every four turns no matter what you do and there's a bug where the game has a high chance to crash if you get an high casualty heroic victory. Imagine how full you'll have. But anyways, the best mod for Rome 1 is the mod about the Trojan war where they give Achilles the phisical traits of an elefant and as such you can just use him to plow through entire armies and send them flying all over the place.
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Jul 20, 2017 15:57
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EB is definetly the best mod RTR is okay but it's to like vanilla for my taste.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:51
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CharlestheHammer posted:EB is definetly the best mod RTR is okay but it's to like vanilla for my taste. I don't mind too like vanilla honestly. My bigger issue right now is looking at RTR videos it cuts off most of Egypt/Selucids/England, and doesn't really have as much race variety? All the videos I'm finding are from like 2009 though, so who knows what it's like now. I don't need the Augustian Reforms meticulously modeled. Or all the Legions represented realistically. I just want more small factions in the world to fight/exist.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:04
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Rookersh posted:I don't mind too like vanilla honestly. My bigger issue right now is looking at RTR videos it cuts off most of Egypt/Selucids/England, and doesn't really have as much race variety? You can ignore the Reforms. Most players don't make it that far anyway. EB has the best unit variety and while it has scripts it isn't as bloated as RS.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:12
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Rookersh posted:I don't mind too like vanilla honestly. My bigger issue right now is looking at RTR videos it cuts off most of Egypt/Selucids/England, and doesn't really have as much race variety? Yeah, they're all human race. You might want to look into Hyrule Total War for Medieval 2 for more variety.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:29
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Rookersh posted:I don't mind too like vanilla honestly. My bigger issue right now is looking at RTR videos it cuts off most of Egypt/Selucids/England, and doesn't really have as much race variety? Rome 1 has a hard limit on how many factions can exist on the map, so every mod is going to have the same number. They just have to choose who they want.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:42
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What was the M2TW mod that had Elmos vs. Predators vs. Dinosaurs? Get that one.
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Jul 20, 2017 19:20
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:What was the M2TW mod that had Elmos vs. Predators vs. Dinosaurs? Planet War.
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Jul 20, 2017 19:54
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Rookersh posted:I don't mind too like vanilla honestly. My bigger issue right now is looking at RTR videos it cuts off most of Egypt/Selucids/England, and doesn't really have as much race variety? EB is a bit much to get into. Best variety, no dumb Romanophile stuff, but there's a lot of unintuitive systems you have to get used to to play. The recruitment system is particularly documentation-heavy, basically a lot of units are province locked but you can't really view them in-game! Also, a lot of factions start out in terrible positions and thousands in the red, you are encouraged to use console commands to get out of the hole if you want to enjoy yourself. I do like it though, the mod has a lot of effort put into the factions and their units. You don't have to read anything you don't want to either. Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 19:55
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I like EB more than any other R:TW mod but when I first played it I was young and dumb and possibly in high school. I was partly inspired to get my Classical Studies degree because of it. Nowadays I don't think I could get into EB. You have to be really patient with it. It is fun once you've gotten familiar with it, however.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:20
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Does stainless steel or broken crescent work with the steam version of medieval 2?
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Jul 20, 2017 20:47
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Arcsquad12 posted:Does stainless steel or broken crescent work with the steam version of medieval 2? stainless steel does, dont know about the other.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:53
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Currently playing Broken Crescent with Steam. Works flawlessly.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:58
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Rome 2 DeI as Pyhrrus: Well, Rome steamrolled both my allies to the north in one turn and then an event gave them a free 20-stack of good troops in Rome. Well gently caress this then, never playing Epirus.
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Jul 21, 2017 04:39
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disjoe posted:I like EB more than any other R:TW mod but when I first played it I was young and dumb and possibly in high school. I was partly inspired to get my Classical Studies degree because of it. The first time I ever posted on the internet was on the EB forum and it was to ask if I had installed the game right. I think you were inspired to a greater cause than me 
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Jul 21, 2017 04:51
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Playing the old total war titles again has made me miss having Jeff van Dyck's music in the games, and his wife's antiwar credits songs. It's a weird mix to have games that actively encourage genocide of indigenous populations as a gameplay mechanic, and then have the credits songs go "good job you heartless bastard."
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Jul 21, 2017 06:21
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Arcsquad12 posted:Playing the old total war titles again has made me miss having Jeff van Dyck's music in the games, and his wife's antiwar credits songs. It's a weird mix to have games that actively encourage genocide of indigenous populations as a gameplay mechanic, and then have the credits songs go "good job you heartless bastard." If murdering hordes of unwashed British peasants with French noble cavalry is wrong I don't want to be right.
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Jul 21, 2017 08:53
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Only the dead have seen the end of war
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Jul 21, 2017 10:25
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Rome 2 DeI as Pyhrrus: Well, Rome steamrolled both my allies to the north in one turn and then an event gave them a free 20-stack of good troops in Rome. Well gently caress this then, never playing Epirus. you silly thing don't you know rome "won" that time period? that means they need to be an unstoppable juggernaut who can never ever lose  Historical realism 4ever
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Jul 21, 2017 18:43
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Has there been any word by CA about their next historical Total War game? I have Attila and Rome2 but didn't play them at all because of how bad they were at launch especially Rome 2. I just want Medieval 3.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:10
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it isn't gonna be Medieval 3
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Jul 21, 2017 20:13
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With the way they are trending it will be something boring like Shogun 2 or that loving dumb ACW thing
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Jul 21, 2017 20:15
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Colonialism: Total War would be super fun and hosed up. Race for Africa, intervention in the far east with Indochina or the Boxer Rebellion. Or I could go for a Renaissance Total War. Won't happen anytime soon, but I'd love it.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:23
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Okay, Medieval 2 question: When not playing as them, do the Moors always own Timbuktu? I started up a short Spain campaign so I could quickly unlock the minor factions, but one of the objectives is killing off the Moors. So much for a short campaign if I need to wait for the New World sequence to unlock before I can get a ship good enough to sail down to West Africa and then take a ten turn march through Sub-Saharan Africa just to kill them permanently.
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Jul 22, 2017 07:27
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Can't you just cross the Med on a normal boat?
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Jul 22, 2017 08:06
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Krazyface posted:Can't you just cross the Med on a normal boat? Not to get to Timbuktu. Unlike in Rome Total War you can't cross the Sahara, so to get down there you need to go to the west coast and then trek inland across the green region.
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Jul 22, 2017 08:12
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I'm like 80% sure you can cross the sahara, it's just a kinda hidden route. I remember sending merchants down to Timbuktu all the time.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Okay, Medieval 2 question: When not playing as them, do the Moors always own Timbuktu? I started up a short Spain campaign so I could quickly unlock the minor factions, but one of the objectives is killing off the Moors. So much for a short campaign if I need to wait for the New World sequence to unlock before I can get a ship good enough to sail down to West Africa and then take a ten turn march through Sub-Saharan Africa just to kill them permanently. The Moors had to walk to Timbuktu to conquer the rebel province so there is a way to get there. It's just a slog. In alternative, push for a crusade down there for super movement bonuses.
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Jul 22, 2017 13:15
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I forgot about having to unlock factions. What a terrible idea.
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Jul 22, 2017 16:33
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I mean you can bypass it easily by editing one text file.
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Democrazy posted:I forgot about having to unlock factions. What a terrible idea. Isn't this the case in Empire too? Also the map for Medieval 2 is hosed. The ai will always take the worst path possible and sometimes its hard to even realize there is an actual path there.
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