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mcmagic posted:He'll be remembered for stealing the SCOTUS seat. That's true. ... God what a dildo.
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Rigel posted:If they are.... I dunno, 60% in NV, then .6 x .45 x .45 = 12% Yeah, the odds are against them in MT, ND, MO, and IN. And they'll have a fight in WV, WI, MI, OH, PA, and FL. Even if they sweep AZx2 and NV they could *lose* seats.
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Sinteres posted:Nobody's saying anyone needs to be crying buckets. It's just the preemptively dancing on people's graves thing some people in this thread like doing that others find offputting. If you believe in an ideology rooted in humanism, turning into a loving ghoul whenever someone you don't like dies isn't putting your best foot forward. The issue is that McCain isn't somebody I "don't like", he is an enemy who has spent a lot of time supporting policys that make people poorer and sicker. People has been tortured and people are going to die preventable early deaths and queer teens are committing suicide because of him and other Republicans. When fate intervenes to take out someone who is conspiring to kill you, it's OK to be happy.
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mcmagic posted:He'll be remembered for stealing the SCOTUS seat. He'll be remembered for elevating raw power politics over institutional norms and the safeguards of the American republican tradition. Stealing the SCOTUS seat is the biggest victory of that strategy.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:19
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WeAreTheRomans posted:life comes at you pretty fast After reading the wikipedia article on that brain cancer and contemplating my life because EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD AND LIVING COULD JUST RANDOMLY COME DOWN WITH IT AND HAVE NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO LIVE LITERALLY. I feel very bad for that women. I also feel bad for McCain. He doesn't deserve this no matter how you view him politically.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:20
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farraday posted:You read too many spy novels. I doubt he means he actually has a cybertronic attachment that attaches to his heart to auto email documents through the cyberweb to the new york times. But like, if trump has committed actual 4 real treason and muller knows he definitely can just go "gently caress, I'm fired, hey new york times , trump took 14 million dollars from russia on this date, oh no, I will have to go to jail for releasing this for like a week"
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Yeah, the odds are against them in MT, ND, MO, and IN. And they'll have a fight in WV, WI, MI, OH, PA, and FL. In a climate where they win AZx2 and NV, they probably hold their openings pretty easily.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:21
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JailTrump posted:After reading the wikipedia article on that brain cancer and contemplating my life because EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD AND LIVING COULD JUST RANDOMLY COME DOWN WITH IT AND HAVE NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO LIVE LITERALLY. A slower, vastly more agonizing death is rightly deserved.
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JailTrump posted:After reading the wikipedia article on that brain cancer and contemplating my life because EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD AND LIVING COULD JUST RANDOMLY COME DOWN WITH IT AND HAVE NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO LIVE LITERALLY. The idea that some people deserve their diseases is pretty much how you end up with a country that won't provide health care in the first place.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:He'll be remembered for elevating raw power politics over institutional norms and the safeguards of the American republican tradition. Stealing the SCOTUS seat is the biggest victory of that strategy. That and "Make Obama a one term president." I've heard him compared to John Calhoun which rings true.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:22
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JailTrump posted:After reading the wikipedia article on that brain cancer and contemplating my life because EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD AND LIVING COULD JUST RANDOMLY COME DOWN WITH IT AND HAVE NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO LIVE LITERALLY. no, he does
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Yeah, the odds are against them in MT, ND, MO, and IN. And they'll have a fight in WV, WI, MI, OH, PA, and FL. To be fair, they are not independent events. (Which is why Nate Silver was right, and the other models ultimately proved to be idiotic). In a timeline where we win both Arizona seats, then the odds of holding every Dem seat is a lot better because it probably means some kind of a wave, but its not going to be 100%. There is a chance that we win in the west, but, say Heitkamp still goes down.
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farraday posted:You read too many spy novels. Occupational hazard
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:The issue is that McCain isn't somebody I "don't like", he is an enemy who has spent a lot of time supporting policys that make people poorer and sicker. People has been tortured and people are going to die preventable early deaths and queer teens are committing suicide because of him and other Republicans. When fate intervenes to take out someone who is conspiring to kill you, it's OK to be happy. I really dislike the "warification" of political language. People are going to die preventable deaths and people are going to be tortured and commit suicide. But that's not directly McCains fault. That's the fault of his party - his base - and the nature of the world as a whole.
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Rigel posted:To be fair, they are not independent events. (Which is why Nate Silver was right, and the other models ultimately proved to be idiotic). In a timeline where we win both Arizona seats, then the odds of holding every Dem seat is a lot better because it probably means some kind of a wave, but its not going to be 100%. There is a chance that we win in the west, but, say Heitkamp still goes down. Aren't the GOP having trouble recruiting for that race?
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Jul 20, 2017 17:24
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JailTrump posted:I really dislike the "warification" of political language. no that's literally his fault. he's voting alongside his party to rip away health insurance from people. they know this will be a humanitarian disaster. they have been warned over and over. they don't care
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Ultimately, I think the effort to repeal Obamacare will succeed. If McConnell and Ryan are responsible for handing Trump a humiliating defeat, what happens to tax reform/tax cuts? Bannon is going to resume control and his goal on tax reform is very different to what the GOP establishment wants. Again on infrastructure - the GOP's idea of tackling infrastructure is tax credits and privatization. Trump and Bannon will be a lot closer to the Democrats idea of paying blue collar workers to fix roads and bridges, and modernize our infrastructure. I get the feeling Trump has been waiting to get to infrastructure as a moment to work with Democrats, and believes that doing so will reduce the intensity of the Russia investigations and media scrutiny. Trump is not exactly a forgive and forget kind of guy, and if McConnell fails - the entire GOP agenda goes out the window. Trump will be with them on deregulation, but that is all they are going to get.
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mcmagic posted:Aren't the GOP having trouble recruiting for that race? Probably. They are having problems recruiting everywhere
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Jul 20, 2017 17:26
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I would cure McCain's brain with magic if I had that power, to be honest, but I can't make myself feel bad that he will soon be gone.
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Jul 20, 2017 17:27
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Red Baron posted:New political horror movie genre? Groundhog Day but you relive November 9th, 2016 forever? How is it a horror movie if Obama is president forever?
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Condiv posted:no that's literally his fault. he's voting alongside his party to rip away health insurance from people. they know this will be a humanitarian disaster. they have been warned over and over. they don't care There hasn't been a vote, how do you know the way he's going to vote?
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Blitz7x posted:I thought that fell under the Governors realm? Is that something a US senator can really affect? It reaffirms people's opinions and allows them to feel good about a person they don't agree with dying. McCain had no say in healthcare from 2008 - 2017 at a state or federal level. She updated her Facebook post to state she didn't have a copy of the letter to share and it was an insurance judge who originally said she should move. She's pretty certain McCain's office repeated what the judge said, but that's not quite the same thing as McCain himself telling her to leave the state. But hey, commence two or three pages of "I'm glad he's dying now."
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marshmonkey posted:*edit* n/m old link. Okay, is accepting a direct order on behalf of a foreign government where we finally draw the line?
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Rigel posted:Probably. They are having problems recruiting everywhere Consider it this way, who wants to defend Trump all day?
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JailTrump posted:There hasn't been a vote, how do you know the way he's going to vote? Basic pattern recognition?
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TyrantWD posted:Ultimately, I think the effort to repeal Obamacare will succeed. I think you need to offer more of an explanation why you think that. You basically said that Trump will be mad and vindictive, and permenant tax cuts are shot to hell, but we've already had more than enough Senators say "I don't care, I'm still voting no." Just yesterday a GOP Senator said he didn't think they even had 40 votes for repeal. They couldn't even get it done with billions of dollars of bribe money to make it rain on the states of reluctant senators. Yeah, there will be consequences for not repealing Obamacare, but they do not have the votes, even given those consequences.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I doubt he means he actually has a cybertronic attachment that attaches to his heart to auto email documents through the cyberweb to the new york times. You also read too many spy novels. Mueller believes in the rule of law and the only thing the Archibald Cox president says is his firing will lead to a congressional shitstorm. In the case of his firing he would share everything he learned/discovered/suspected with the new investigators or the congressional investigations. I'm sorry if that's not dramatic enough for you. farraday fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Like my pet bird died around the same time Antonin Scalia did, and if a magical creature had appeared and given me the choice between bringing one of the two of them back to life, I would still have my pet bird, and I don't even think that makes me a bad person.
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Rigel posted:I think you need to offer more of an explanation why you think that. You basically said that Trump will be mad and vindictive, and permenant tax cuts are shot to hell, but we've already had more than enough Senators say "I don't care, I'm still voting no." Just yesterday a GOP Senator said he didn't think they even had 40 votes for repeal. They couldn't even get it done with billions of dollars of bribe money to make it rain on the states of reluctant senators. Turns out telling people the solution to healthcare is paying more for shittier coverage generates negative reactions. Who knew?
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JailTrump posted:I really dislike the "warification" of political language. Politics is the continuation of warfare by other means Especially if you are making decisions that could affect and kill millions of people.
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TyrantWD posted:Ultimately, I think the effort to repeal Obamacare will succeed. I think it will eventually be really easy to get a "repeal obamacare but that doesn't go into effect for 20 years" bill passed since it will both change absolutely nothing at all and in X years they can just extend everything anyway but they will also be able to say "Obamacare is dead, we repealed it, move on"
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MO is slowly being poisoned against the Trump arm of the GOP because Eric Greitens is a turd that's ruining our state faster than previously thought possible.
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Rigel posted:I think you need to offer more of an explanation why you think that. You basically said that Trump will be mad and vindictive, and permenant tax cuts are shot to hell, but we've already had more than enough Senators say "I don't care, I'm still voting no." Just yesterday a GOP Senator said he didn't think they even had 40 votes for repeal. They couldn't even get it done with billions of dollars of bribe money to make it rain on the states of reluctant senators. Yeah, at this stage the GOP understands that the consequences of repealing Obamacare without a replacement are far greater than the consequences of failing to repeal it. Most Senators of course don't care, but enough do, which makes repeal extremely unlikely.
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JailTrump posted:There hasn't been a vote, how do you know the way he's going to vote? hasn't really spoken out against the bill, is republican, frequently votes lockstep with republicans even on issues he supposedly cares about like torture hth
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Democrazy posted:I don't mean to call bullshit, but given that McCain himself does not actually write anyone and that all correspondence sent from Congress to constituents is carefully crafted by a professional staffer, this doesn't seem like a plausible story. Do you think the sentiment (which I agree is the woman paraphrasing grandly) is something McCain doesn't believe? Do you think any Republican member of congress has any other answer for their constituents than "healthcare is not a right"?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think it will eventually be really easy to get a "repeal obamacare but that doesn't go into effect for 20 years" bill passed since it will both change absolutely nothing at all and in X years they can just extend everything anyway but they will also be able to say "Obamacare is dead, we repealed it, move on" That would actually be awesome. They get all the political hellfire and consequences for repealing Obamacare, without actually repealing it, because the Dems would likely pass a bill that says "lol, nope" in 2021.
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JailTrump posted:People are going to die preventable deaths and people are going to be tortured and commit suicide. But that's not directly McCains fault. I think the staffers at the concentration camps used this as their defense during the Nuremburg trials.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I suspect there's a dead man's switch rigged somewhere and if Mueller is shut down it all gets dumped to nyt/wapo. He might be better off trying to get Congress to reauthorize him as an independent counsel so he could continue the investigation without handcuffs before dumping everything if they won't do it. Bishounen Bonanza posted:The issue is that McCain isn't somebody I "don't like", he is an enemy who has spent a lot of time supporting policys that make people poorer and sicker. People has been tortured and people are going to die preventable early deaths and queer teens are committing suicide because of him and other Republicans. When fate intervenes to take out someone who is conspiring to kill you, it's OK to be happy. Yeah once you've decided your political opponents are enemies who deserve death, you're pretty close to signing up for a monstrous authoritarian government that will deliver. gently caress this mindset.
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Condiv posted:hasn't really spoken out against the bill, is republican, frequently votes lockstep with republicans even on issues he supposedly cares about like torture Didn't he just release a statement saying it was a bad idea to not have a bipartisan bill?
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