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TastyAvocado: Dec 9, 2009

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Why "The Handmaid's Tail" is complete garbage, and how it depicts a perfect, utopian society.

Riddle me this: can you name a black sci-fi author? What is your favorite Mexican fantasy novel? Who is your favorite female director? As predominantly white and Asian men, we are constantly told that these oppressed groups are our social equals, only limited to their full potential by the omnipresent, cackling patriarch. Yet in the creative field, where all one needs to do is lift their pen or clack on their keyboard, it is whites and Asians who create almost all of the world's most evocative, thought-provoking works. There is no black Akira Kirosawa. There is no female Michelangelo.

I postulate this is due to two reasons. Firstly, white and Asian men have higher IQs than other races. Women have equal IQ on average, but are less represented on the extreme ends of the bell curve. You can't conjure talent from nowhere, and while IQ isn't the end-all, be-all, it certainly shouldn't hurt to recognize complex relationships between elements, and express them creatively. The second issue is that minorities and women often end up writing about themselves and their own issues, instead of greater concepts that everyone can relate to. Almost all serious black works, from 12 Years a Slave to Beloved to Get Out, are about racism - most blacks are innocent victims, and every white guy is out to get them. These works are perfect if you are interested in black issues, but that's all they'll ever be - a political statement on a niche group of people. Meanwhile, Darren Aronofsky explores addiction and obsession on a constant, film-by-film basis, always remaining fresh by jumping techniques and genres. And Stanley Kubrick gives cold, raw portrayals of humanity, in all its splendor and disgust, even dropping Red Pills decades before the Manosphere. You can't exactly reach those levels of scope when you are singularly focused on fat hick cops who keep ya down, mane.

An identical problem occurs with women. Women focus on themselves and their issues, first and foremost. It is why so many women write Mary Sue characters, flawless, and thus unable to make any real statement the reader can relate to. Its why social justice gets hamfisted in the works of young, liberal women. And its also why "The Handmaid's Tail" portrays a ridiculous, yet simultaneously dry, dystopian society, where women are always the victims and men are always the oppressors. And because it focuses on women, its considered a classic.
Now, I love dark stories. I've called stories masterpieces when others would call them emotional torture porn. But I think a twisted tone or bleak ending can be perfect in driving home points. Requiem for a Dream is a perfect example - while arguably shallow in terms of character, it does portray the very real trappings of drug addiction - the slow, constant downward spiral that ends with your life ruined, with had no way to ever climb back. The somber theme song building up to an epic crescendo makes you feel the towering stakes, and the ending is true, chaotic panic, and probably one of the hardest scenes ever filmed to watch. The presentation makes Requiem for a Dream the world's greatest anti-drug PSA.

Well, what can we say about Handmaid's Tale? Well, Tale has the very relateable story of fundamentalist Christian's taking over America and proceeding to completely enslave women, to the point where their rights are forever tied to the passionless, sadistic men. If you are gay, you get whipped. If you speak out, you're raped. You do not even have your name anymore. Just like Trump's America, right guys?

It is a subtle as a nuclear bomb, and reflects the views of only the most misogynistic of Americans (like us). No conservative wants women to be nothing more than their wombs. They just want women to be good at raising a family - and in this day and age, women are loving failing. While gawking at the oppressive patriarchy of The Handmaid's Tale, women will gently caress the most patriarchal of men, delay motherhood under The Wall starts looming in, and raise their pride and joy under a lovely single mother household. We followed Atwood's advice - to enpower women, to be just like men, and more than their biology. And congratulations everybody! Marriage is dead, the state of the family is in shambles, the West is slowly being replaced by more fertile minorities, and women STILL are inferior to men at every level. A+ work, gals!
The most ironic thing is, while women think every guy with an R wants to bring about Gilead, they are the most relaxed when it comes to the most oppressive patriarchy in the world - Islam. Its kind of mind-blowing to hear a liberal woman praise Saudia Arabia as a good place to live, but I've seen it first hand. The people who actually don't want women to vote, who cut your clitoris off, and want you covered in a body bag? Young, unmarried women are the first to greet them with open arms. Meanwhile, men are still getting their genitals mutilated each and every day, with every attempt to bring this up laughed by women.

As the old Red Pill adage goes: "Watch what women do, not what they say." Women are doing nothing to limit the world's most oppressive culture from spreading overseas. If you treat them in an relationship with equal power dynamics, women will become unattracted to you (try finding a romance novel without an Alpha male and a submissive slut). There has never been a slave revolt of oppressed women who want to fight for their freedom. Women in fact, can sometimes follow a war brides mentality - studies have shown in primitive tribes, captured women would rat out their own tribe to help conjuring men. Yet we're supposed to believe that women would find a slave state Hell on Earth?

Let's cut to the chase - Gilead is awesome, and the best thing one could ask for both men and women. Men are given regular sex with one or more women, plus a lifetime's worth of emotional intimacy. Women get to fulfill the role they most desire - having kids. If Gilead were in real life, and Handmaid's would actually be highly honored as one of the few who can actually give birth - If the Virgin Mary became a holy figure simply for her uterus, its hard to realistically believe that Handmaid's would somehow be low-class citizens. Women would be submissive to their husband - because a gun is pointed to their head, sure. But comapre the 1950s to the 2010s, and you'll see that oppression is NEEDED for the average couple to have a traditional romance. You can either have Fred and Offred have a long-lasting romantic relationship (with a wife on the side for both of them to enjoy), or have Offred chasing bad boy rebel Nick for some short, hot flings, that results in no permanent love, children, or provision of resources. Which one is closer to what women REALLY want?

Personally, I don't see what's the huge issue about this society at all. Sure, some women get beat for being a bit uppity. But it keeps them in line, making sure the scourge of feminism never rears its ugly head again. Women are like water - they'll fit whatever society they're put in. The men get threesomes, women don't have to deal with a stressful 40-hour work week, and feminists are forced to become prostitutes. Where's the downsides, girls?

The Handmaid's Tale is ultimately shaming an exaggerated traditional mindset that worked wonders for hundreds of years. "See, this is bad because its oppressive. Don't you want women to be free to produce crap and gently caress Chads? I thought so. I won't call you a misogynist now, but I will constantly emotionally blackmail you if you ever disagree with our line of thinking." It doesn't explain why oppressed women are found throughout the globe and thoroughly enjoy their lot in life. It doesn't look at the difficulties men face in their gender role - assuming every ditch digger and homeless man is a powerful "Commander". Its liberal trash that bolsters their ultimately facile ideology, and it wouldn't have sold a thousand copies if we weren't biologically hardwired to defend women. I have no issue with comparisons with r/Incels and the novel, because, as much as women get their panties in a bunch over the oppression of women, whatever we're trying now is NOT loving WORKING.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:11

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# ? May 16, 2024 06:15

Hobologist: May 4, 2007; We'll have one entire section labelled "for degenerates"

Universe Master posted:

Chad really needs to clean his backseat.

Chad has never cleaned anything in his life. He just hypnotizes Staceys to do it for him.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:14

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Gotta work on my thick clavicle. Because that's holding me back.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:15

mojo1701a: Oct 9, 2008; Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Holy gently caress none of those things make sense. I've had to google what half of those are.

Y'know, all this talk is making me feel really good about my body, and I've struggled trying to get rid of belly fat.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:16

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Handmaids Tale sucks because a low birthrate society wouldnt send people to die cleaning up radioactive waste, but lmao traditional arrangements, a thing that barely existed historically even for wealthy people.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:16

smokestacks: Dec 19, 2010

"what is your favorite Mexican fantasy novel"

lol, central and south american writers have produced some of the best fantasy novels in history but i guess since they're not full of swords sorcery and busty wenches this guy hasn't heard of them.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:19

goethe.cx: Apr 23, 2014

im permabanned poster stacystomper58. i first started reading r/incel when i was about 12. by 14 i got really obsessed with the concept of "incel" and tried to channel it constantly, until my thought process got really bizarre and i would repeat things like "canthal tilt" and "i love making GBS threads inside chad's short midface" in my head for hours, and i would get really paranoid, start seeing chad's dick in the corners of my eyes etc, basically prodromal inceldom. im now on dick lengthening drugs. i always wondered what the kind of "pathetic" style of incel dogma was all about; i think it's the unconscious leaking in to the conscious, what jungian theory considered to be the cause of schizophrenic and manchild syptoms. i would advise all people who "get" r/incel to be careful because that likely means you have a predisposition to a mental illness. peace

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:21

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smokestacks posted:

"what is your favorite Mexican fantasy novel"

lol, central and south american writers have produced some of the best fantasy novels in history but i guess since they're not full of swords sorcery and busty wenches this guy hasn't heard of them.

M�rquez immediately came to mind. I know he's not Mexican but I get the sense that the idiot wasn't specifically thinking of citizens of Mexico.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 19:23

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

smokestacks posted:

"what is your favorite Mexican fantasy novel"

lol, central and south american writers have produced some of the best fantasy novels in history but i guess since they're not full of swords sorcery and busty wenches this guy hasn't heard of them.

that especially stuck out for me as well lol

# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:14

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

Is magical realism is technically fantas

*is murdered. No one convicted*

# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:24

Meme Emulator: Oct 4, 2000

The only south american author ive read is Borges

# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:26

Meme Emulator: Oct 4, 2000

this has been your Meme Emulator Literature update

# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:27

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

im permabanned poster stacystomper58. i first started reading r/incel when i was about 12. by 14 i got really obsessed with the concept of "incel" and tried to channel it constantly, until my thought process got really bizarre and i would repeat things like "canthal tilt" and "i love making GBS threads inside chad's short midface" in my head for hours, and i would get really paranoid, start seeing chad's dick in the corners of my eyes etc, basically prodromal inceldom. im now on dick lengthening drugs. i always wondered what the kind of "pathetic" style of incel dogma was all about; i think it's the unconscious leaking in to the conscious, what jungian theory considered to be the cause of schizophrenic and manchild syptoms. i would advise all people who "get" r/incel to be careful because that likely means you have a predisposition to a mental illness. peace

# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:35

Guy Mann: Mar 28, 2016; by Lowtax

1500quidporsche posted:

I'm the most economically left leaning person I know exists aside from maybe Jeremy Corbyn and I seriously want to stab UBI advocates because it's just going to open the flood gates and turn everyone lazy with some deviant art account into a "struggling artist".

Yeah, just look at Scandanavia. Sure they enjoy an amazing standard of living and all but is it really worth it if it means so many shiftless young peole get to spend their time playing in lovely black metal bands instead of sacrificing themselves to Moloch?

Barudak posted:

Handmaids Tale sucks because a low birthrate society wouldnt send people to die cleaning up radioactive waste, but lmao traditional arrangements, a thing that barely existed historically even for wealthy people.

I can't believe that a heavily allegorical piece of speculative fiction about an oppressive theocratic dystopia would have people acting in a way that is illogical.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 20:47

El Padrino: Dec 24, 2005; No es nada personal, solo negocios.

Jesus. After reading all the garbage that they poo poo all over their subreddit, can we just kill internet access for all incels? Hopefully this will make them do with literal LDAR

# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:09

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

El Padrino posted:

Jesus. After reading all the garbage that they poo poo all over their subreddit, can we just kill internet access for all incels? Hopefully this will make them do with literal LDAR

Fairly sure that if internet access was impeded, most of the incels would simply shrink until they finally turned into a little poof of dust then blew away.

Their parents would finally have some good news re: their child.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:15

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

Guy Mann posted:

Yeah, just look at Scandanavia. Sure they enjoy an amazing standard of living and all but is it really worth it if it means so many shiftless young peole get to spend their time playing in lovely black metal bands instead of sacrificing themselves to Moloch?

What country is doing full UBI right now? And how long have they been doing it?

# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:38

Captain Yossarian: Feb 24, 2011; All new" Rings of Fire"

El Padrino posted:

Jesus. After reading all the garbage that they poo poo all over their subreddit, can we just kill internet access for all incels? Hopefully this will make them do with literal LDAR

I've posted multiple times, probably in this very thread, that incels should just be killed

# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:48

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

Captain Yossarian posted:

I've posted multiple times, probably in this very thread, that incels should just be killed

I would feel quite comfortable in a world were every man is at least as Chadly as me. Imagine it. A land with nothing but Stacii, as far as the eye can see. We'll all bro hug at the urinal, drive with half of our bodies hanging out are car window, and take showers in which the water doth not even touch us. It'll be a mother loving utopia.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:56

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

Captain Yossarian posted:

I've posted multiple times, probably in this very thread, that incels should just be killed

Cutting off their internet would probably feel like dying to them. Plus you waste fewer bullets that our police officers need.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 21:58

don longjohns: Mar 2, 2012

The woman whose bust is, I think, going to be a prize for Best Fantasy/Sci-Fi Novel awards in the US is Octavia E. Butler, a black author who sadly passed in 2008. She won the Hugo Award for Sci-Fi and was a genius. She also lived on nothing but goddamn potatoes she grew for years so she could afford to write. That guy is an idiot.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 22:04

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

And then of course Kathryn Bigelow is not only a female director, but an award winning one at that, having received an Oscar for The Hurt Locker.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 22:09

El Padrino: Dec 24, 2005; No es nada personal, solo negocios.

Captain Yossarian posted:

I've posted multiple times, probably in this very thread, that incels should just be killed

I'm not sure these wastes of space are worth the lead used in making a bullet to end them. Much less the salary to have someone do it. Cutting off their internet should be enough.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 22:23

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Incels: Finally, a group goons can make fun of without getting banned.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 22:28

joylessdivision: Jun 15, 2013

Glenn Quebec posted:

Incels: Finally, a group goons can make fun of without getting banned.

I'm pretty sure there were some bans handed out in one of the previous threads, but I could be miss remembering.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 22:49

Delthalaz: Mar 5, 2003; Slippery Tilde

This stuff is so fascinating. These guys have developed a highly detailed ideology and totalizing worldview that places them at the very bottom of the hierarchy of value. Like it's as if white supremacy was created by a fringe group of black intellectuals in the 19th century or like Nazi anti-Semitism being created and disseminated by Jews

# ? Jul 21, 2017 23:17

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Delthalaz posted:

This stuff is so fascinating. These guys have developed a highly detailed ideology and totalizing worldview that places them at the very bottom of the hierarchy of value. Like it's as if white supremacy was created by a fringe group of black intellectuals in the 19th century or like Nazi anti-Semitism being created and disseminated by Jews

As discussed, its Calvanism but with sex.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 23:22

goethe.cx: Apr 23, 2014

Barudak posted:

As discussed, its Calvanism but with sex.

Except they're overtly angry at God

# ? Jul 21, 2017 23:28

Delthalaz: Mar 5, 2003; Slippery Tilde

Barudak posted:

As discussed, its Calvanism but with sex.

It's more modern and darwinian than that. They believe have genetic qualities which make them inferior to other people and of lesser or even negligible value.

e: scientific racism against themselves

# ? Jul 21, 2017 23:32

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

Except they're overtly angry at God

There is a type of calvanism called double determinism where certain people are, at birth, condemened to eternal damnation. It was used to support extremely hosed up atrocities in Africa.

Where calvanists and incels diverge is that incels can steal salvation; if they can either work up the effort for crime or change society they can have what birthright denies them.

# ? Jul 21, 2017 23:35

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

It's obviously a mix of phrenology and penis worship. Like, are we even reading the same thing here?

# ? Jul 22, 2017 00:00

goethe.cx: Apr 23, 2014

Barudak posted:

There is a type of calvanism called double determinism where certain people are, at birth, condemened to eternal damnation. It was used to support extremely hosed up atrocities in Africa.

Where calvanists and incels diverge is that incels can steal salvation; if they can either work up the effort for crime or change society they can have what birthright denies them.

Right, but even if you're one of the eternally damned, doesn't Calvinism still say you should suck it up because God works in mysterious ways? These guys think they're one of the damned, but they're also really pissed at God for damning them

# ? Jul 22, 2017 00:11

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

Right, but even if you're one of the eternally damned, doesn't Calvinism still say you should suck it up because God works in mysterious ways? These guys think they're one of the damned, but they're also really pissed at God for damning them

Calvanism with double determinism only works when everyone assumes theyre the elect, if anyone thought they werent there is nothing in their ideology stopping them from committing an unlimited number of crimes other than other people.

Incels basically have a belief where grace is measured not in wealth or power or good fortune but in fucksmanship. And since, to them, their is nothing else worth striving for and no next life to worry aboutthe goal becomes how to steal the signe of grace. You see them talk about rape, killing chads, laws curtailing womens sexual habits etc are all mechanisms to steal it and its why they arent all dead from suicidal self loathing.

Edit: The reason Im using this metaphor of grace is because if theres one thing they agree on its you cant earn it. Thats what "cope" is, its the inability for human beings to earn grace and in their case fuckability.

Barudak fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jul 22, 2017

# ? Jul 22, 2017 00:19

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

Right. Only God knows who the Elect are, which is also why you're still supposed to evangelize because any one you talk to could be one as well and the Lord might be working through you to them.

Basically unless you're a massive piece of poo poo, it doesn't change a thing about your day to day compared to other branches of Christianity because it's all about how it works under the hood.

# ? Jul 22, 2017 00:31

Kullik: Jan 5, 2017

The concept of cope is so loving toxic on this subreddit.
Any time anyone shows any signs of progress towards being a functional adult he's accused of cope, because he's starting to think that he could improve himself, lower his standards, start valuing other things in life more than sex, or just not going all in and talking like they have totally given up on life.
Why is coping with something a bad thing, is giving up and accepting all of your horrible dark thoughts really so great, who would want to do that ever, especially if it leads you to be like these loving morons.

I've been reading this subreddit for like half an hour while drinking and im so loving mad at these idiots, they basically created some kind of little cult of misery so that no one can ever leave. I used to wonder what happens when an incel gets laid, but an incel will never get laid, because they dont really want to, anyone who actually wants something would put the slightest amount of effort into getting it.

gently caress im so mad at these clowns and their retarded reddit page

Kullik fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jul 22, 2017

# ? Jul 22, 2017 00:59

Guy Mann: Mar 28, 2016; by Lowtax

# ? Jul 22, 2017 01:00

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

Kullik posted:

The concept of cope is so loving toxic on this subreddit.
Any time anyone shows any signs of progress towards being a functional adult he's accused of cope, because he's starting to think that he could improve himself, lower his standards, start valuing other things in life more than sex, or just not going all in and talking like they have totally given up on life.
Why is coping with something a bad thing, is giving up and accepting all of your horrible dark thoughts really so great, who would want to do that ever, especially if it leads you to be like these loving morons.

Internet teenagers with lax parenting, an internet connection, and knowledge of near instantaneous methods of porn consumption.

also, you know, mentally ill

# ? Jul 22, 2017 01:02

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Kullik posted:

The concept of cope is so loving toxic on this subreddit.
Any time anyone shows any signs of progress towards being a functional adult he's accused of cope, because he's starting to think that he could improve himself, lower his standards, start valuing other things in life more than sex, or just not going all in and talking like they have totally given up on life.
Why is coping with something a bad thing, is giving up and accepting all of your horrible dark thoughts really so great, who would want to do that ever, especially if it leads you to be like these loving morons.

It's a classic example of the bucket of crabs theory.

quote:

"Individually, the crabs in the story could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they are described as grabbing at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress"

# ? Jul 22, 2017 01:03

chumbler: Mar 28, 2010

The aversion to coping is like the relatively modern aversion to "settling" but a million times worse.

# ? Jul 22, 2017 01:05

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# ? May 16, 2024 06:15

Kullik: Jan 5, 2017

quote:

Sex inone the three basic human needs, with food and water. Nobody yells at staring children that they're not entitled to food.

Litterally, sex is among the basic human needs, and the very purpose of our existences. It should be PROVIDED.
Revolutionnary fighter Maquis de Sade once proposed, during the french revolution, to put women into whorehouses by force to provide a public service of sex. Food for thought.

lol they are comparing themselves to kids dying of malnutrition in the third world.

# ? Jul 22, 2017 01:17

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