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The Repulsor is the single thing I think most people are curious about and I find it completely unreadable. It's like the leaker is toying with me.
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bonds0097 posted:Well, the grappels seem like what you would take on shooty Reivers to get good LOS while grav chutes seem great for stabby ones to deep strike in and charge w/o overwatch. Nah, nah. Grapnels mean vertical movement doesn't count. Get to the top of a huge piece of terrain, out of overwatch range, and then dive down with your knives ready. 
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Jul 21, 2017 19:56
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Pendent posted:The Repulsor is the single thing I think most people are curious about and I find it completely unreadable. It's like the leaker is toying with me. Holds 10 primaris, gravis are 2, cant hold jump troops, has a 24" heavy 2 lascannon in the hull and stuff charging it subtracts 2 from the charge distance.
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Jul 21, 2017 19:56
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bonds0097 posted:That seems like an auto-include for Kantor w/ his 5 attacks. Yeah it'll be in every list. I think Bolter Drill is attack again on a 4+, not everyone. Hard to read the text though.
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Jul 21, 2017 19:59
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Killshot stratagem. 1 CP, if you have 3 predators within 6 inches of each other add 1 to the wound rolls and damage for all of them when shooting at monsters and vehicles. Holy poo poo that's good, guess I'm taking my predators.
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Jul 21, 2017 19:59
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chutche2 posted:Killshot stratagem. 1 CP, if you have 3 predators within 6 inches of each other add 1 to the wound rolls and damage for all of them when shooting at monsters and vehicles. A lot of the old formation bonuses are back as stratagems, linebreaker bombardment seems downright filthy since its 3d3 mortal wounds on a 4+ to each unit within 3" of a point you target.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:03
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Also it looks like there's a stratagem for relics, 1 CP per relic, up to 3 relics. So maybe they don't cost points like people were suggesting, just CP.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:05
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There's a Black Templar relic that increases your aura abilities by 3(?)''. That's probably a nice way to make BT blobs more viable.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:06
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Corrode posted:Yeah it'll be in every list. I wish I could read who is eligible to wield the Fist of Vengeance. I'd love to put it on a Primaris Captain instead of the Power Sword. I never played before 8th, how do relics normally work? Do they only replace a weapon of the same type?
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Jul 21, 2017 20:06
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And there's stratagems we can't see too. I really want to know what the Tremor Shells are going to do. Anyone have info on Dorn's Arrow?
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Jul 21, 2017 20:07
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bonds0097 posted:I wish I could read who is eligible to wield the Fist of Vengeance. I'd love to put it on a Primaris Captain instead of the Power Sword. I never played before 8th, how do relics normally work? Do they only replace a weapon of the same type? These are the first relics in 8th, so we're all kinda waiting to see...
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bonds0097 posted:I wish I could read who is eligible to wield the Fist of Vengeance. I'd love to put it on a Primaris Captain instead of the Power Sword. I never played before 8th, how do relics normally work? Do they only replace a weapon of the same type? chutche2 posted:Also it looks like there's a stratagem for relics, 1 CP per relic, up to 3 relics. So maybe they don't cost points like people were suggesting, just CP. Charging command points for relics is actually not what I expected. I wonder if named characters will even be able to take them. Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Jul 21, 2017 20:09
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bonds0097 posted:I wish I could read who is eligible to wield the Fist of Vengeance. I'd love to put it on a Primaris Captain instead of the Power Sword. I never played before 8th, how do relics normally work? Do they only replace a weapon of the same type? Before it was just an option for characters to take a relic, but yeah now you're only allowed to replace the type of weapon with it, so you can only trade out a power sword or master crafted power sword for the burning blade etc.
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So long as it's fun. fluffy formation bonuses you pay CP to use, and not vomiting a ton of points on the table for near-free, I'm very okay with this.
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Ya, I think it's for extra relics. So the rules may allow you to take up to 1 per army, and you can spend CPs to get more. You have to put them on different characters though, it looks like. SO I can't take the Armor Indomitus and the Shield Eternal on the same model, for example.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:12
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I didn't see this mentioned - can Intercessors go up to 10 now?
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The Bee posted:So long as it's fun. fluffy formation bonuses you pay CP to use, and not vomiting a ton of points on the table for near-free, I'm very okay with this. Landspeeder spotting for whirlwinds making a return is nice. Zuul the Cat posted:I didn't see this mentioned - can Intercessors go up to 10 now? Indeed they can, can't wait. Those boys have done a lot of work for me already in just the two squads of 5.
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Artum posted:Before it was just an option for characters to take a relic, but yeah now you're only allowed to replace the type of weapon with it, so you can only trade out a power sword or master crafted power sword for the burning blade etc. Right. And the Burning Blade is just worse than a Relic Blade... seems really odd. Though, if the upgrade to the relic is free, you can replace a 4 point Power Sword with that profile, which is obviously quite good for 4 points.
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Artum posted:Before it was just an option for characters to take a relic, but yeah now you're only allowed to replace the type of weapon with it, so you can only trade out a power sword or master crafted power sword for the burning blade etc. Ah yeah, I see that for burning blade. That's potentially disappointing since thus far none of the Primaris models can take a Powerfist. WhiteWolf123 posted:And there's stratagems we can't see too. I really want to know what the Tremor Shells are going to do. As in the CF storm bolter? It's got stats in the Imperium Index I under Kantor. Or is there another Dorn's Arrow?
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Artum posted:Landspeeder spotting for whirlwinds making a return is nice. Awesome. I'll have to pick up another squad of them and 2 Repulsors, then I think my Howling Griffons army will be complete.
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bonds0097 posted:Ah yeah, I see that for burning blade. That's potentially disappointing since thus far none of the Primaris models can take a Powerfist. Remains to be seen. There is that captain with a powerfist and pistol from store birthdays already.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:18
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Shockeh posted:I'd love a step by step ( Or just all kits involved) in making one! It's like a talon and defiler bits. My buddy made them for me.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:19
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bonds0097 posted:As in the CF storm bolter? It's got stats in the Imperium Index I under Kantor. Or is there another Dorn's Arrow? I was thinking of The Spartean, which I see the stats on now. A 2-damage, AP-1 sniper Bolt Pistol. Neat.
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Alright, just so I can finish workshopping my horrible Grapnel plan; how much impact does vertical range have in this edition, again? I imagine it impacts melee and movement range normally, but does it effect shooting?
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Artum posted:Remains to be seen. There is that captain with a powerfist and pistol from store birthdays already. True enough. I'll be happy if they give the Primaris Captain the option even if the model didn't come with it, I'm happy to kitbash/convert.
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Oh poo poo, looks like Primaris have a defense against Smite spam. quote:Psychic Fortress (auto pass Morale tests, and save against mortal wounds from psychic sources)
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The Bee posted:Alright, just so I can finish workshopping my horrible Grapnel plan; how much impact does vertical range have in this edition, again? I imagine it impacts melee and movement range normally, but does it effect shooting? In order to target a unit they have to be in Range (p. 179) and distances are always measured base-to-base (p. 176). So yes.
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bonds0097 posted:True enough. I'll be happy if they give the Primaris Captain the option even if the model didn't come with it, I'm happy to kitbash/convert. Really I just hope theres substance to those rumours of a lieutenant kit that works like the current commander kit for making characters, After how much use I've gotten out of the sword lieutenant from dark imperium i'd love to get a power fist one.
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Artum posted:Really I just hope theres substance to those rumours of a lieutenant kit that works like the current commander kit for making characters, After how much use I've gotten out of the sword lieutenant from dark imperium i'd love to get a power fist one. That would be awesome.
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bonds0097 posted:In order to target a unit they have to be in Range (p. 179) and distances are always measured base-to-base p. 176). So yes. Okay, perfect. So wait for enemy ranged to press against large cover, like a wall or a hill. Then drop your Reivers there, in a position where they are both vertically and horizontally 9 inches away from the enemy. If possible, squeeze them somewhere that they can avoid eating Rapid Fire or Flamers in the process. Then charge, since your vertical movement is free. Suddenly a troupe of space Batmen is turn one elbow dropping the enemy as if this was a Macho Man impersonation contest.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Oh poo poo, looks like Primaris have a defense against Smite spam. Is that a Stratagem?
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TKIY posted:Is that a Stratagem? Nah its one of the librarius powers.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Oh poo poo, looks like Primaris have a defense against Smite spam.  TKIY posted:Is that a Stratagem?
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Safety Factor posted:I think you mean space marines. People still play with those scrunts?
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TKIY posted:Is that a Stratagem? and specifically its a 4+ save against mortal wounds from psychic powers.
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Zuul the Cat posted:People still play with those scrunts? 
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So how bout that Heavy D6 S8/9 dreadnought plasma cannon
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The Bee posted:Okay, perfect. So wait for enemy ranged to press against large cover, like a wall or a hill. Then drop your Reivers there, in a position where they are both vertically and horizontally 9 inches away from the enemy. If possible, squeeze them somewhere that they can avoid eating Rapid Fire or Flamers in the process. Then charge, since your vertical movement is free. Suddenly a troupe of space Batmen is turn one elbow dropping the enemy as if this was a Macho Man impersonation contest. Wait, is your thought that since you're 9" away diagonally at deployment but ignore vertical distances for moving that you would have a short charge on that first turn?
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I love that giving the redemptor knees means it moves 8 inches instead of 6. Truly this is heretical technology. e: It looks like assault centurions got a huge PL decrease, they're below index terminators. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Pendent posted:Wait, is your thought that since you're 9" away diagonally at deployment but ignore vertical distances for moving that you would have a short charge on that first turn? Yes. It flat-out says (i.e. moving vertically is free for these models.)
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