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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Oh God I just thought maybe Zuck is our best chance because he talks about UBI at all and the bad Dems will assume he's pro business Zuck has already done us an immeasurable service by (a) bringing UBI into the conversation at all, and (b) putting a little fear of God into everybody Honestly if he wanted to keep presenting all of these crazy socialist ideas and then top it all off by not running for president I'd be fairly pleased with him Squizzle posted:would it blow yr mind if i Huh. Yeah, I guess it would.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i mean yeah "gaining real-world work experience and ethic" thru landscaping work and trash pickup is clearly bullshit. but the point is that it's rehabilitative, gets them outta the prison and back into society. and a lot of the job-based programs do pay a wage anyway, though it could always be better since they like to classify it below minimum wage its still slavery even if it isnt chattel slavery
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loquacius posted:I'm about to blow your mind yet again what if instead of producing hardened criminals in our prisons we made them into *~small business owners~*
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:what if instead of producing hardened criminals in our prisons we made them into *~small business owners~* Where's the difference?
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Oh God I just thought maybe Zuck is our best chance because he talks about UBI at all and the bad Dems will assume he's pro business As far as polling goes Zuck preforms worse than literally everyone else except Hill against Trump. Biden and Bernie both tie (or Biden is slightly ahead) for beating trump handily
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Where's the difference? 
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tower time posted:The trump thread is full of sickos. They come into the suck zone, they defend slavery. Make Tight Booty Shorts idiot king of the trump thread. He has the forums cancer, he knows how these sickos think. Its a job i'd wish on no man, but with the cancer... he really has nothing to lose. 
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Oh God I just thought maybe Zuck is our best chance because he talks about UBI at all and the bad Dems will assume he's pro business The Sillicon valley UBI aka the libertarian type of UBI is almost certainly not going to be A Good Thing
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Zhulik posted:wow, you guys were't kidding about the d&d equivalent of the succ thread it's where the most deranged of the hillaymen made their home
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Venuz Patrol posted:keith ellison is on twitter explaining that "better skills" represents free access to both education and vocational training and such; he felt that "better education" wouldn't have gotten the point across as well as it would have implied a more limited focus on just the grade school -> college track okay, so it's exactly what we thought it was, except now Ellison is demonstrating that he feels his leadership position makes him responsible for defending this worthless garbage even if it's just straight-up "college is free now, inshallah" it still doesn't belong in the same league as "Better Jobs" and "Better Wages" unless your primary solution to bad jobs that pay lovely is "just go to college you dummy" SKULL.GIF posted:aren't unpaid internships explicitly illegal except in corner cases where you're doing literally no productive work? congressional offices aren't subject to the FLSA or other regular labor laws. they have their own special, slightly different set of labor law that, among other things, allows unpaid workers with no particular restrictions. as a result, it is one hundred percent legal for congressmen to have unpaid interns doing actual work, even though it's illegal for private business. hail satan
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Main Paineframe posted:okay, so it's exactly what we thought it was, except now Ellison is demonstrating that he feels his leadership position makes him responsible for defending this worthless garbage Like I said earlier, the part of the platform represented by that blurb, as explained by Ellison, is less a short-term Jobs Fix and more a long-term Education Fix. It's not about your job now, it's about a teenager's job in several years. The short-term solution is the other two. I'm not that impressed by "better jobs" either unless it's actual New-Deal style infrastructure projects, honestly, and we'll see how committed they are to "better wages" in the end
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A lot of voters have kids. But they need to have a plan for today to sell their plan for tomorrow
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logikv9 posted:is that condivs thread or another thread which my mind has clearly blocked visual input from The one I'm talking about is condiv's yeah
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loquacius posted:Like I said earlier, the part of the platform represented by that blurb, as explained by Ellison, is less a short-term Jobs Fix and more a long-term Education Fix. It's not about your job now, it's about a teenager's job in several years. The short-term solution is the other two. several years from now, we're still gonna need janitors and burger-flippers, no matter how many people have college degrees education is good for its own sake, but it has no place in a message to workers, except to trick people into thinking that class mobility exists so they'll dream of escaping the lower classes instead of being mad at how the lower classes are treated
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What about uh national rent control Literally spitballing here
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Main Paineframe posted:several years from now, we're still gonna need janitors and burger-flippers, no matter how many people have college degrees It was about vocational training, which specifically does not give more people college degrees but does set them up for good solid well-paid careers as, eg, plumbers or HVAC techs Education is very important, people care about it, and the other two parts of the platform suggested by the slogan are very worker-focused
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Lawman 0 posted:What about uh national rent control I'd like to not be homeless yeah
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Main Paineframe posted:several years from now, we're still gonna need janitors and burger-flippers, no matter how many people have college degrees As if those jobs won't be automated. You'll just have store management doing fixes for the robot grunt work that isn't in the robot's scope, especially cleaning the bathroom. Cashier will be automated Burger cooker will be automated Sure there's more prep work, but that can be mostly done at the food processing plants that serve the places their specialized goods. And they'll automate that as much as possible too.
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loquacius posted:It was about vocational training, which specifically does not give more people college degrees but does set them up for good solid well-paid careers as, eg, plumbers or HVAC techs education is important because businesses want the state to take care of training workers for them, and because workers have been led to think that education is the key to class mobility and that little Jimmy can earn twice what his dad did if he just gets the right education. and by extension, any worker that is poorly paid or treated shittily just didn't get the right education to get a good job, so there's no point worrying about them and the only response to lovely jobs should be to expand education so we can say it's people's own fault for having lovely jobs if the Dems had chosen any other order for their new slogan, I'd be willing to cut them some slack. but putting skills first and wages last shows their priorities are still all wrong. it should be the other way around
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I agree that businesses should offer training for the positions they offer, especially if the position is important and vacant for too long.
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Lawman 0 posted:What about uh national rent control allowing tenants to deduct the portion of property taxes their landlords pay for their units might be a good first step
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bump_fn posted:the 13th amendment literally says criminals can be slaves and because its in the constitution, it's good and a god's law
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ThndrShk2k posted:I agree that businesses should offer training for the positions they offer, especially if the position is important and vacant for too long. there should also be a scaling tax for H-1b and similar visas as a percentage of a company's workforce, with revenues going towards appropriate educational programs
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it's a kinda nauseating double standard when people wage war on H1B visa, while at the same time talking about how important immigrants are to keeping lesser jobs cheap, isnt it.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:allowing tenants to deduct the portion of property taxes their landlords pay for their units might be a good first step New York State and New York City pretty much have that with the Real Property Tax Credit.
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The funniest part about the Thirteenth Amendment is it required millions of Americans killing each other to pass, and it still allowed a huge loophole to continue slavery.
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Main Paineframe posted:education is important because businesses want the state to take care of training workers for them, and because workers have been led to think that education is the key to class mobility and that little Jimmy can earn twice what his dad did if he just gets the right education. and by extension, any worker that is poorly paid or treated shittily just didn't get the right education to get a good job, so there's no point worrying about them and the only response to lovely jobs should be to expand education so we can say it's people's own fault for having lovely jobs also education in general is good
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Yeah guys I dunno, "education is just a way to justify paying people less" is too much of a galaxy-brain take for me and I realize this thread might be the wrong audience for me to say this, but it's too much of a galaxy-brain take for 2017 America People care about their own wallets, absolutely, but they care a lot about education too and the Republicans are pretty much always actively trying to dismantle it.
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Rand alPaul posted:The funniest part about the Thirteenth Amendment is it required millions of Americans killing each other to pass, and it still allowed a huge loophole to continue slavery. Story of the American Republic really.
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You don't need education to have skill
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Main Paineframe posted:education is important because businesses want the state to take care of training workers for them, and because workers have been led to think that education is the key to class mobility uhhhh what? Without an education you wouldn't have even be able to form this argument. Although maybe I've just made your point 
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i want to be a journeyman of the crafts
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