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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That guy is gonna die of old age before he gets to the balrog but yeah I want to hear his opinion on balrog wings Napkin calculation says he should be finished with the trilogy in about five and a half years! Assuming he can keep up his present winged pace, of course.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Balrog wings: No...... Thank you for saving me from untold hours of wasting my time with bad opinions.
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Jul 22, 2017 04:46
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Thank you for saving me from untold hours of wasting my time with bad opinions. He's right about that, fight me. (but he's wrong about Bombadil)
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Jul 22, 2017 04:53
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Lemniscate Blue posted:He's right about that, fight me. I'll 'ave you, Longshanks!
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Jul 22, 2017 04:58
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Are there transcripts available?
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Jul 22, 2017 05:02
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Lemniscate Blue posted:He's right about that, fight me. this is exactly wrong the correct answers are: 1) Balrogs: shadowy aura that stretches out in the manner of wings, but is not wings (fallen angels don't have wings!) 2) bombadil: existed before ainur arrived, so earth spirit created with & as part of middle earth (immune to the ring for the same reason hobbits are -- no desires beyond what he already has)
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Jul 22, 2017 05:12
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:this is exactly wrong I agree. Was I unclear? Hobbits are hardly immune, though - just more resistant than most because of their humble nature. Remember of four Hobbit Ringbearers, three fell under it's influence to a greater or lesser extent. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Jul 22, 2017 08:15
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I agree. Was I unclear?  I know you meant Sam, but god dammit, let me have my moment.
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Jul 22, 2017 08:24
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Tom didn't arrive before the ainur. He just arrived before melkor. Iirc.
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Jul 22, 2017 13:06
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I'm glad some of you are liking Tolkien prof! I drive a lot so being long winded doesn't phase me and his scholarship is pretty good in my unprofessional opinion.
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Jul 22, 2017 13:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:this is exactly wrong Bombabil is just an element of ontological incompleteness because Tolkien didn't like comprehensive systems, he's the part that's left over from any total explanation of creation and yes he's immune to the ring because he has strictly circumscribed desires like a catholic monk.
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Jul 22, 2017 14:36
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I like the idea that there's a finite source of explainable things, and they had to funnel all that unexplained phenomena somewhere, it just happened to be into a druid in rainboots.
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Jul 22, 2017 14:42
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Right, Tolkien very deliberately ensured that there was no Watsonian explanation for Bombadil, and barely a Doyleist one either. His default answer when asked was pretty much "It's a mystery; get over it."
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Jul 22, 2017 16:13
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no no no there have to be answers the blue wizards have names and the cats of queen beruthiel have backstories
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Jul 22, 2017 16:19
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Art is a dialogue between creator and the person who experiences it. It's not a monologue by the artist. Demanding that the blue wizards have names, however, is an example of something that isn't necessarily a quest for artistic merit in the material.
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Jul 22, 2017 18:35
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Had anyone found the 12 volumes of The History of Middle Earth in ebook format? I'm getting nothing on Google Play and on Amazon Kindle.
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Jul 22, 2017 23:12
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SHISHKABOB posted:ok, why? Tolkien himself considered Helm's Deep easily-omitted filler, and Moria is mostly backstory/character stuff for a side-character and build up to the death of a guy who comes back to life like 40 pages later!
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Right, Tolkien very deliberately ensured that there was no Watsonian explanation for Bombadil, and barely a Doyleist one either. His default answer when asked was pretty much "It's a mystery; get over it." That is true but I also think it is accurate that if you must fit him (and Goldberry! Everyone forgets about her) into a hole it would be ainur
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sassassin posted:Tolkien himself considered Helm's Deep easily-omitted filler, and Moria is mostly backstory/character stuff for a side-character and build up to the death of a guy who comes back to life like 40 pages later! It closes off the dwarf story that was key in the hobbit which is important Especially with the additional dwarf story present in the appendix
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Jul 22, 2017 23:16
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Which I guess is strange to close a story in the main text which is fleshed out in the appendix but that is tolkien !!
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Jul 22, 2017 23:16
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euphronius posted:That is true but I also think it is accurate that if you must fit him (and Goldberry! Everyone forgets about her) into a hole it would be ainur
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Nessus posted:I thought Goldberry herself was probably an Ainur who just fell in love with Tom? She's a river spirit or naiad but again if we had to pick a hole : ainur Or maybe water version of an ent
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euphronius posted:It closes off the dwarf story that was key in the hobbit which is important We have different definitions of important, clearly. "What are they up to now?" bits aren't as important as Frodo & Gildor's chat about the actual quest to come. It serves mainly as reinforcement of earlier post-Hobbit Bilbo material and gives context to a Gimli character that the the PJ films made completely different without any harm to the main narrative. As you say it all could have been resolved in the appendices without any harm to the actual story. Goldberry is old man williow.
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Jul 23, 2017 00:26
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sassassin posted:
Tre most shocking thing ever said in this thread .
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Jul 23, 2017 01:19
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I don't doubt it, tbh.
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Jul 23, 2017 03:21
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euphronius posted:Really? haha. I've probably listened to 200+ hours with no problem. He used to put his students on the mic which was unbearable. That was years ago tho. Those loving students were the worst, they were practically literal tropes of "undergraduate English Lit" class, with "guy who never does the loving reading and just bullshits answers", "person who laughs too hard at the professor's jokes" and "over enthusiastic nerd boy who signed up to talk about how sweet the LOTR are"
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Jul 23, 2017 07:58
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the hobbit trilogy in one picture pretty much. god i hate those movies. i know the drama behind the seens and jackson was given jack poo poo in time to make them but holy gently caress, everything that made the LOTR movie good is gone.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:34
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the hobbit trilogy in one picture pretty much. god i hate those movies. i know the drama behind the seens and jackson was given jack poo poo in time to make them but holy gently caress, everything that made the LOTR movie good is gone.
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You know what I love? Bringing out suddenly-relevant-again things from the Internet of the 90s.quote:From a rec.arts.books.tolkien posting dated 3 May 1996. http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/bombadil.htm Archived for all time thanks to the foresight of whoever it is that runs Flying Moose of Nargothrond and is still paying for the domain name and hosting.
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Green screen is used in all movies and mckellen is a theater actor and idiosyncratic to say the least in his methods . He's not made for movies tho he does well in them sometimes . Anyway he loved the paychecks from the hobbit movies so I don't think he's that upset
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There's all sorts of projection going on with that picture. Lots of people have cried and broken down due to stress while making a lot of movies because it's a pain in the loving rear end to make a movie. Wasn't there an interview to go along with that image?
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Trin Tragula posted:You know what I love? Bringing out suddenly-relevant-again things from the Internet of the 90s. As long as the review of the Bakshi movie endures, there shall always be a memory of the First Age of the Internet still preserved in the modern world
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Yeah and mckellen was trained to be on a stage basically improving performance based on feedback with other actors Being alone is not good for him
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PJ's The Hobbit movies are much more faithful to the books than his The Lord of the Rings, they just fell under a much harsher lens having come later, and not having the novelty/innovation factor. Tauriel is even a good addition because unlike almost every other character she has an observable arc and development (Thorin and Bilbo's will-they won't-they bromance is extremely clumsy by comparison). It's also one of the more obvious cases of a director putting his sexual fantasies up on screen. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Agreed with all that tho tauierel was developed by iirc Walsh and Boyens. Tho of course Jackson made the final decision to put her in . Edit Unless your specialty referring to her falling in love with a dwarf.
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sassassin posted:PJ's The Hobbit movies are much more faithful to the books than his The Lord of the Rings, they just fell under a much harsher lens having come later, and not having the novelty/innovation factor. Other than the massive changes in tone, characterization, hours of new material, bloated action scenes, and new or over developed characters that added nothing to the story. sunday at work fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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The Hobbit movies are mediocre to complete poo poo. The worst thing I can say about them is that they have no life of their own at all. Lines, scenes and characters are ripped wholesale from Jackson's LOTR and jammed in seemingly just because they could do it and figured there was money in it. Jackson's LOTR is crappy adaptation in its own way and each movie has some big problems but it's obvious trolling to say that the excrescence of cinema called the Hobbit trilogy is any better.
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I watched the Hobbit movies on a plane. I was hoping at least the Mirkwood scene would be cool because it's my favorite part of the book, slow and mysterious, you feel like you're actually deep in the woods while reading it because of how long it is and the way it's written. It was maybe a 5 minute scene where they walk through dumb fairytale trees until they reach scaryface elf man.
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Jackson LotR is superior to Rankin-Bass LotR by the same margin that Rankin-Bass Hobbit is superior to Jackson Hobbit
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