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Sacrificing yourself to save others is usually pretty good PR. I think his films portrayed him as being a beacon, but with a cynical press and populace.
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BrianWilly posted:I don't feel.......total monotone ambivalence...towards Cyborg...I guess? Cyborg's one moment is okay, but they haven't actually given us anything meaty yet. He's had like one line in all three trailers. Also I don't like the style of joke where all the characters act edgy and then Flash quips about it. It's not that funny and feels like doubling down even if the overall tone is lighter.
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Aphrodite posted:They never actually got around to portraying Superman as the beacon of hope that trailer is trying to sell him as. Clark saved the entire world in MoS. BvS had a monument to Superman in the movie, in a location called "Heroes Park" to commemorate what happened in MoS — while BvS explored how many painted him as a false god or a potential threat, it also showed instances where people literally worshipped him.
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teagone posted:BvS had a monument to Superman in the movie, in a location called "Heroes Park" — while the film explored how many painted him as a false god or a potential threat, it also showed instances where people literally worshipped him. This might as well be nothing. The movie does a bad job of showing Superman in the context of positivity.
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Has Marvel done its big SDCC stuff or did they shift that to D-23
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Arist posted:Yeah, that was a real headscratcher. There's actually numerous scenes in BvS where large crowds of people are shown looking upon him as a saviour.
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Rhyno posted:There's actually numerous scenes in BvS where large crowds of people are shown looking upon him as a saviour. Those same scenes where Superman looks bored and aloof? Yeah, what a shining beacon of all that's good in the world. Those scenes don't convey Superman being a good person, they convey how alien he is.
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Arist posted:This might as well be nothing. The movie does a bad job of showing Superman in the context of positivity. Okay, just completely ignore prominent aspects in the movie to support your criticism.
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Jul 22, 2017 21:14
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teagone posted:Okay, just completely ignore prominent aspects in the movie to support your criticism. Like???? e: "There's a statue of Superman in the park so people like him, nothing else required" is some piss-poor dramatic storytelling, if that's what you're trying to say
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Okay, so apparently the Flashpoint movie is the Flash movie. As in, it's not two films, it's just that the first Flash film will be called Flashpoint. ??..???????????...???
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It doesn't matter if the denizens of the DCEU think Superman is great. They never built him up for the audience. *Calling them "people" would be a stretch
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Jul 22, 2017 21:16
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There's statues of confederate generals all over the US.
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Beachcomber posted:It doesn't matter if the denizens of the DCEU think Superman is great. They never built him up for the audience. I was literally about to make this exact post, thank you
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Why is this hard to grasp? It's a story where they already have every major player cast, and the more of them they put on screen the more money they make.
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BrianWilly posted:Okay, so apparently the Flashpoint movie is the Flash movie. As in, it's not two films, it's just that the first Flash film will be called Flashpoint. Well that's less bad then, I assume now it won't have anything to do with the Flashpoint event.
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Man of Steel 2 directed by Matthew Vaughn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YEah to the audience Superman as a savior just doesn't feel earned. Which is rather ironic since they bash us over the loving head with it in both Man of Steel and BvS. Also you know how a lot of people like to joke that Man of Steel is a good live action Dragonball Z movie? Looking at both that and Batman Vs Superman I'd say they were trying to make Trigun but with all the likeability sucked out of the characters.
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At risk of exacerbating this: the statue is not really a "prominent" part of BvS by any stretch, and the only significance it plays is Scoot McNairy's character trying to destroy it, meaning that its presence actually represents a net negative re: perception of the character. Rhyno posted:Man of Steel 2 directed by Matthew Vaughn!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, that's neat.
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Cyborg sounds like a robot complete with monotone voice. I could have sworn cyborg's thing was he is a human trapped/coping with his new (mostly) robotic body
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Also I just remembered that Wonder Woman is technically part of the DCEU, but it really doesn't fit because WW and her scenes in BvS should really just be their own, better, thing.
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Beachcomber posted:It doesn't matter if the denizens of the DCEU think Superman is great. They never built him up for the audience. The monument to Superman in Heroes Park is a direct/positive correlation to the events that happened in Man of Steel. Visually, it's a stunning portrayal of humanity's willingness to accept him as a savior. A large part of BvS' narrative sought out to show humanity's other side of that, so naturally there would be story elements where Superman is reflected upon in a negative light; the tone of BvS reinforces this notion, so I totally understand what you're saying. I just personally don't feel the same way.
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How could you "just remember that" and how does it not fit? The end of her movie literally ends with her going to stop a crime which appears to happen at the beginning of this trailer.
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Rhyno posted:Man of Steel 2 directed by Matthew Vaughn!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, yes. I like this.
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Jul 22, 2017 21:31
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It's a statue in the specific city he saved personally. Like when they put a statue of a heroic dog in the local park.
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You people are reaching so hard for any excuse to bash this film.
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I liked it, Cyborg actually looks promising, somehow. Little too heavy on the bullets and bullet dodging though, also lol Wonder Woman dodging a bullet that was going to miss her anyways.
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Aphrodite posted:It's a statue in the specific city he saved personally. Came off more like a War Memorial to me 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Every executive in Hollywood simultaneously decided like a year and a half ago no more two part movies. Avengers 3 did the same thing. Any particular reason? I'd thought the three big two-part movies (the last Harry Potter, Twilight and Hunger Games ones) had all done quite well.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You people are reaching so hard for any excuse to bash this film. DC's 1 for 4 in most people's eyes and I don't even like WW, so it's not exactly a reach to be skeptical dude
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You people are reaching so hard for any excuse to bash this film. So it's like Marvel movies in CineD?
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Rhyno posted:Man of Steel 2 directed by Matthew Vaughn!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, I just remembered, Kingsman 2 is also out this year.
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Jul 22, 2017 21:35
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"Snyder's Superman isn't very inspirational" is the least edgy reach you can reach for. A lot of people came away from those films with that impression.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Any particular reason? I'd thought the three big two-part movies (the last Harry Potter, Twilight and Hunger Games ones) had all done quite well. It worked for the first two, but not Hunger Games. $750mil and $650mil are still really good of course, but are both $100mil drops from the movie before them.
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Also, man was that last Hunger Games slow
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Again, let's ignore the multiple scenes in BvS where Superman saves people and is clearly worshipped and praised as a savior. Let's just ignore these things that are in the theatrical cut.
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I got a laugh out of that last gag. Everything else seems standard fare. I just rolled my eyes at the Superman stuff.You can tell me he was a beacon of hope, I guess. Good on DC for being willing to even mention Green Lantern for another few years.
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Rhyno posted:Again, let's ignore the multiple scenes in BvS where Superman saves people and is clearly worshipped and praised as a savior. Let's just ignore the last page of discussion about how the movie fails to present these things properly. Let's just ignore these things that are right above your post.
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Let's ignore the end of BvS, his state funeral and memorial, and how people lionize the dead.
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Arist posted:Let's just ignore the last page of discussion about how the movie fails to present these things properly. Let's ignore that those posters are doubling down on how much they hated BvS and will find any excuse to point that out. The scenes work just fine and clearly show the average joe in the BvS universe either loves Superman (the DotD scene) or hates him (the capitol hill scene).
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Rhyno posted:Man of Steel 2 directed by Matthew Vaughn!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can have a Superman movie that's finally fun!
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