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The Slaughter
Jan 28, 2002

cat scratch fever
Had my first left seat sim last night. The motion cueing on taxiing makes me so sick and holding down the tiller with a death grip made my hand tired. Green needle obstacle departure into egpws encounter for a dive and drive DME Arc circling approach into a missed with an engine failure at 100 ft, come back around and single engine ils to a landing then APU fire on the runway leading to an emergency evacuation. Good little warmup for today, which will be a mock MV with v1 cuts and single engine go arounds and stall recovery. So ready to be done, tomorrow is my MV, then I just have a loft and then it's my LOE and I will be getting that sweet captain pay...

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Stupid Post Maker
Jan 8, 2008
Yeah but it's a 175 and it does everything for you

fordan
Mar 9, 2009

Clue: Zero

two_beer_bishes posted:

Also, any good instructional podcasts? I have a long drive ahead of me and I usually listen to audiobooks in the car anyway. Even if it's a guy droning on about part 91!

Did someone say podcasts? :haw:

Here are the aviation podcasts I listen to:

AOPA Live This Week - Weekly video podcast of GA news
Podcast URL: http://www.aopa.org/thisweek
Feed URL: http://api.ooyala.com/syndication/podcast?id=dc8b2ee2-b9a2-4213-924b-90fbb813b793

AOPA Never Again - Monthly podcast of pilot stories of danger and lessons learned
Podcast URL: http://www.aopa.org/neveragain
Feed URL: http://aopaneveragain.libsyn.com/rss

The Finer Points - Monthly podcast from a CFI on how to fly your best
Podcast URL: https://www.learnthefinerpoints.com
Feed URL: http://tfpaviation.libsyn.com/rss

AVweb Podcasts - irregular news podcast; tends to have a flurry of posts around the air shows like Oshkosh
Podcast URL: https://www.avweb.com/podcast/index.html?zkDo=showRSS
Feed URL: http://www.avweb.com/podcast/?zkDo=showRSS

AOPA's Pilot Information Center - irregular podcast; they usually put something up when something regulatory changes like BasicMed or drone rules
Podcast URL: http://aopa-pic.podomatic.com
Feed URL: http://aopa-pic.podomatic.com/rss2.xml

Hangar Talk - AOPA biweekly podcast with discussion of events involving GA and a long interview with interesting aviation folks
Podcast URL: http://aopahangartalk.libsyn.com/podcast
Feed URL: http://aopahangartalk.libsyn.com/rss

Uncontrolled Airspace: General Aviation Podcast - usually biweekly hangar flying podcast among three aviation journalist, more episodes around air shows where they also do radio shows on EAA Radio
Podcast URL: http://www.uncontrolledairspace.com
Feed URL: http://feeds.feedburner.com/uncontrolledairspace

There I was... - new AOPA/Air Safety Foundation podcast about lesson learned by notable aviation folks
Podcast URL: http://www.airsafetyinstitute.org/thereiwas
Feed URL: http://aopathereiwas.libsyn.com/rss

Haven't listened to the following that much yet; mean to go through the back catalog but haven't started on them yet.

Inspire Aviation Podcast by MzeroA.com
Podcast URL: http://inspireaviationpodcast.com
Feed URL: http://inspireaviationpodcast.com/feed/podcast/

Private Pilot Podcast by MzeroA.com
Podcast URL: http://theprivatepilotpodcast.com
Feed URL: http://theprivatepilotpodcast.com/feed/podcast/

Instrument Pilot Podcast by MzeroA.com
Podcast URL: http://instrumentpilotpodcast.com
Feed URL: http://instrumentpilotpodcast.com/feed/podcast/

Rudest Buddhist
May 26, 2005

You only lose what you cling to, bitch.
Fun Shoe
Good stuff. Thanks for the list!

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
Well folks, this is the GOLDEN WEEK for General Aviation. Every year the Experimental Aviation...

You know, why do I bother typing this poo poo out, does anybody read this thread except certified nerds and pilots?

Anyway, EAA AirVenture 2017 is happening in Oshkosh this week. If you're a general aviation airplane owner, this week is christmas week.


So far,

1) GFC 500 and GFC 600 autopilots have been introduced. The 500 is for single engine airplanes. Purchase it with a garmin HSI and you get the whole package for 6k. THIS IS HUGE. (GFC 700 is the autopilot coupled with G1000s)
2) TruTrak Autopilots, a huge player in experimental, just got their first STC for 172s and 177s a month or two ago. They are a dead simple autopilot for around 3k installed. Come on pa-28???
3) Garmin G5 - You can buy two of these instruments and have a defecto glass panel and replace your vacuum system. One G5 can be an Attitude indicator, the other can be an HSI
4) Oh yeah, the G5 just got certified to be used with legacy autopilots and the brand new GFC 500.
5) New ADS-B out solutions from Garmin include GDL82 UAT for 1800. No new transponder needed.

And these are all before oshkosh has officially started.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
In other news, I am nearing the closing month of my Lycoming O-360 engine overhaul.

Costs thus far:
4k - Cylinders
5k - Labor and Camshaft and Case
2k - Labor
2k - Bearings and Lifters etc
1k - Exhausts

I never really went into detail, but here is what happened.

My wife and I were flying along and got severe carbon monoxide poisoning. It is incredibly insidious. I was no longer 'pilot in command' I was just basically along for the ride. I 'felt bad' while flying along at 8,000 feet. I was having trouble seeing but not like a total vision loss like you see in video games. I would try to look at the altimeter hand and the long hand would disappear. I thought I just needed to wear my sunglasses and calm down as it had been a busy week. Then I looked down at my iPad and couldn't read the top left corner.

Undeterred, I looked over at my wife. She said she was studying one of her books to study up for her next lecture. She kind of dozed off for a second and I was still trying to figure out why I was having a hard time looking at my instruments. I was only at 8k for the love of god, I was SURELY not hypoxic.

My wife suddenly raised her head and said "Honey, I'm having a really hard time staying awake." It was at that moment that I realized about 30 minutes before hand we had closed off all the air vents in the airplane because we had gotten too cold at altitude. Suddenly I had the validation I needed that it wasn't just me feeling bad, and that something was effecting her too.

I cancelled IFR for a "bathroom break" (reptile brain didn't want to declare an emergency) and made an emergency descent down to the closest airport I could find on my iPad. (Remember I couldn't see the iPad very well but his point). I talked out load the entire landing procedure. Thankfully a Cherokee 180 is an incredibly simple machine to operate.

We got on the landed and parked the airplane. I got out and had the WORST HEADACHE of my life. We were in terrible condition. Both my wife and I and our two dogs felt incredibly bad.

It's really incredible because I never felt bad in the air, it just seemed like something was slightly wrong.

We called my in-laws to come pick us up which was an and hour and a half drive time from our destination.


Anyway, I had my mechanic come up and fly the airplane to his base. It had some very simple cracks in the muffler. Maybe 700 bucks to refurbish both of them.

I told him while we were waiting for mufflers that I wanted to replace a cylinder because the compressions were a little low for my liking at the last annual. He did a compression check and found the compressions to all be below 60. 3 cylinders had broken rings and he estimates weren't making complete power. Truth be told my oil had been black but I thought once I replaced a cylinder I would stop getting oil-blow by through the cylinders.


Anyway, I decided after all of this that I just wanted to start over and overhaul the entire engine. The previous owner about 7 years ago pickled the engine while he went to go fight in Iraq. I think he must not have done it right. He flew it a ton after he got back, but it's odd that all he cylinders decided to go all at once.


Frequently Asked Questions:
1) Apollo you are so dumb, why didn't you look at the Orange SPOT Carbon Monoxide detector?
A: Well, remember, I was having a hard time seeing certain objects. There was no way that my orange little dot on the far side of the cockpit was visible enough to me to be "off." As a result I purchased this when I saw somebody on BeechTalk with almost the exact same incident. https://sensorcon.com/collections/carbon-monoxide-meters (code: aircraft2017) It lights up and buzzes and everything.
2) Apollo you are so dumb, why did you buy an airplane with all these problems?
A: My wife loved this airplane from the time she looked at it. I had a friend from the area do a pre-buy for the airplane. I think he really spent more time flirting with the owners daughter than checking compressions or flying the airplane.
3) Apollo you are so dumb, why did you buy an airplane that had black oil?
A: Lesson learned on this one. When I came in to pick up the airplane, we decided I would fly the airplane with the owner on Day 1, then on Day 2 I would fly it back to my house. Well, he let me fly it home on Day 1. I never checked the oil after the first couple of flights and didn't see it turn black indicating Oil Blow-By.
4) Apollo you are so dumb, why didn't you know about carbon monoxide poisoning?
A: Think hard about the last pilot that talked to you first hand about carbon monoxide poisoning. I bet you can't think of anybody. People usually crash in a field because of it and nobody lives to tell the tale.


Anyway this is an info-dump but I think it's a good story.

tl;dr - Apollo got carbon monoxide poisoning. Further revealed he had some cylinder problems. Decided to do an engine overhaul.

edit: Oh yeah, people also asked me why I didn't carry one of those Pulse Oximeters around so I could check my oxygen rate. Okay, well, that's retarded. See, those pulse oximeters just measure how well your red blood cells have been bound. Typically they bind to red blood cells, but guess what binds at double the rate of oxygen? Yeah, it's carbon monoxide. So you could have a pulse oximeter that is in the high 90s and think you're fine, when it just means that you're super loaded up on Carbon monoxide. Blows.

Captain Apollo fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jul 23, 2017

The Slaughter
Jan 28, 2002

cat scratch fever

Stupid Post Maker posted:

Yeah but it's a 175 and it does everything for you

it probably would if we didn't over-proceduralize everything, tho we got nothing on Horizon. Gotta manually operate the hydraulic pumps even tho we have an 'auto' mode with system logic that works just fine... and no fms speeds below 10k! no autotuning freqs! manually hard tune!!!!

Apollo, that sounds terrifying and I'm glad you're alive to tell the tale. What a story. I always thought those dots were stupid, obviously you should get some kind of blinking loud flashing caution warning thingy.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI

The Slaughter posted:



Apollo, that sounds terrifying and I'm glad you're alive to tell the tale. What a story. I always thought those dots were stupid, obviously you should get some kind of blinking loud flashing caution warning thingy.

Yeah I did, I love these from SensorCon.

https://sensorcon.com/collections/carbon-monoxide-meters

Also, those spots are retarded because Carbon Monoxide is coming into the airplane overtime you do a run-up or idling on the ground. Thankfully we usually never do it longer than we have to, but that's one of the reasons the carbon monoxide spot cards get dingy so soon, they're saturated with carbon monoxide on the ground. So you look at it on sunup and its kinda go t black spots already, well now you're already ready to disregard any bad information it gives you.

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy
As I sit around waiting for our T-45s to get returned to full flight status because of hypoxia issues (any day now, really!) and as a person who did his mandatory hypoxia-awareness reduced-oxygen-breathing-device simulator yesterday, that story strikes home. I'm glad you recognized it and that you didn't take a permanent nap.

Without the luxury of an emergency O2 bottle or an ejection seat I'd be spring-loaded to declare the emergency, but then again it's a very hot-button issue for us right now and that's our SOP. At the end of the day, I'm glad you got down safe.

The Slaughter
Jan 28, 2002

cat scratch fever
MV (maneuvers validation) passed. A loft (Line Oriented Flight Tr aining - oh its an normal flight in the sim! but you have to deice and do some sort of maintenance thing and who knows what else!) and an LOE (Line Oriented Evaluation - basically checkride structured like a flight) are all that stand between me and being a captain on the real airplane in IOE (initial operating experience).
My sim partner described my V1 cut as "very pretty", hahaha.

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

The Slaughter posted:

it probably would if we didn't over-proceduralize everything, tho we got nothing on Horizon. Gotta manually operate the hydraulic pumps even tho we have an 'auto' mode with system logic that works just fine... and no fms speeds below 10k! no autotuning freqs! manually hard tune!!!!

We actually fired our Q400 fleet manager about 18 months ago, and then re-hired him once someone realized "oh crap, he's gonna start writing manuals for the E175" if he got cut loose from making the Q400 procedures ever more complex.

The Slaughter
Jan 28, 2002

cat scratch fever

azflyboy posted:

We actually fired our Q400 fleet manager about 18 months ago, and then re-hired him once someone realized "oh crap, he's gonna start writing manuals for the E175" if he got cut loose from making the Q400 procedures ever more complex.



You're reminding me I want to jump on a qx 175 for a good laugh to see what you guys do with this thing.

two_beer_bishes
Jun 27, 2004

fordan posted:

Did someone say podcasts? :haw:

Here are the aviation podcasts I listen to:

AOPA Live This Week - Weekly video podcast of GA news
Podcast URL: http://www.aopa.org/thisweek
Feed URL: http://api.ooyala.com/syndication/podcast?id=dc8b2ee2-b9a2-4213-924b-90fbb813b793

AOPA Never Again - Monthly podcast of pilot stories of danger and lessons learned
Podcast URL: http://www.aopa.org/neveragain
Feed URL: http://aopaneveragain.libsyn.com/rss

The Finer Points - Monthly podcast from a CFI on how to fly your best
Podcast URL: https://www.learnthefinerpoints.com
Feed URL: http://tfpaviation.libsyn.com/rss

AVweb Podcasts - irregular news podcast; tends to have a flurry of posts around the air shows like Oshkosh
Podcast URL: https://www.avweb.com/podcast/index.html?zkDo=showRSS
Feed URL: http://www.avweb.com/podcast/?zkDo=showRSS

AOPA's Pilot Information Center - irregular podcast; they usually put something up when something regulatory changes like BasicMed or drone rules
Podcast URL: http://aopa-pic.podomatic.com
Feed URL: http://aopa-pic.podomatic.com/rss2.xml

Hangar Talk - AOPA biweekly podcast with discussion of events involving GA and a long interview with interesting aviation folks
Podcast URL: http://aopahangartalk.libsyn.com/podcast
Feed URL: http://aopahangartalk.libsyn.com/rss

Uncontrolled Airspace: General Aviation Podcast - usually biweekly hangar flying podcast among three aviation journalist, more episodes around air shows where they also do radio shows on EAA Radio
Podcast URL: http://www.uncontrolledairspace.com
Feed URL: http://feeds.feedburner.com/uncontrolledairspace

There I was... - new AOPA/Air Safety Foundation podcast about lesson learned by notable aviation folks
Podcast URL: http://www.airsafetyinstitute.org/thereiwas
Feed URL: http://aopathereiwas.libsyn.com/rss

Haven't listened to the following that much yet; mean to go through the back catalog but haven't started on them yet.

Inspire Aviation Podcast by MzeroA.com
Podcast URL: http://inspireaviationpodcast.com
Feed URL: http://inspireaviationpodcast.com/feed/podcast/

Private Pilot Podcast by MzeroA.com
Podcast URL: http://theprivatepilotpodcast.com
Feed URL: http://theprivatepilotpodcast.com/feed/podcast/

Instrument Pilot Podcast by MzeroA.com
Podcast URL: http://instrumentpilotpodcast.com
Feed URL: http://instrumentpilotpodcast.com/feed/podcast/

Holy poo poo thank you!

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Captain Apollo posted:

2) TruTrak Autopilots, a huge player in experimental, just got their first STC for 172s and 177s a month or two ago. They are a dead simple autopilot for around 3k installed. Come on pa-28???

Everything I'm seeing says $5k plus 2 days of labor by your friendly neighborhood A&P, so probably figure more like $7000.

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

Hey man, I'm glad you and your family are alive and okay. Thats a loving scary experience.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Jesus, that's frightening. I'm glad everything worked out okay.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!
So who's going to Oshkosh? What days? I'll be up there saturday. I plan on hitting Belite, and there's gonna be a DA-2 I wanna drool over. Also the Defiant people are going to have an example or two of Rutans twin offering.

Captain Apollo posted:

tl;dr - Apollo got carbon monoxide poisoning. Further revealed he had some cylinder problems. Decided to do an engine overhaul.

Have you gotten poo poo elsewhere? I'm glad you, your wife, and your pups lived to tell the tale. CO is a bitch.

ausgezeichnet
Sep 18, 2005

In my country this is definitely not offensive!
Nap Ghost

azflyboy posted:

We actually fired our Q400 fleet manager about 18 months ago, and then re-hired him once someone realized "oh crap, he's gonna start writing manuals for the E175" if he got cut loose from making the Q400 procedures ever more complex.

WTF is it with Dash 8 training managers? When I was at Allegheny, the training manager seagull (had to throw rocks at him to get him to fly) tried to make the DHC-8 program as hosed up as he had made the B-1900 program. Seriously, like how many rivets are there in the leading edge, draw the fuel system from memory, etc. It was certainly more complex than the Shorts 360 I was transitioning from, but come on. The FO orals were usually about three hours long, which is 150% longer than my type oral in the 737 a few years later.

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005
This was just our fleet manager. We fired the director of training a few months ago after he got DUI #3.

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI

Nerobro posted:

Have you gotten poo poo elsewhere?

Thanks everyone for the well wishes both in IRC and here. I really would have hated for the NTSB report to be posted here and massive thread on Apolloisms get dug up :)


Yeah, CO is an incredible bitch.

To explain what I mean by how insidious it is. Imagine you're flying along in an airplane and you get a wasp sting. There is a very OBVIOUS stimulus and response. You instantly know something is wrong via pain receptors or some 'identifiable' moment in your brain, right? There is a bug, it stung me, now I have pain.

With CO, that OBVIOUS stimulus and response just isn't there. It slowly takes over the brain, and it takes over the part of the brain that freaks out about something being wrong. I know it would seem rather obvious that something was immediately wrong that I couldn't see an altimeter hand, but my brain just couldn't make sense of it. It was almost like I was drunk, but I had never taken a drink.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

azflyboy posted:

This was just our fleet manager. We fired the director of training a few months ago after he got DUI #3.

I only have two and I'll do it.

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot
Complete shot in the dark, but I'm based out of Chicago and interested in learning to fly. Anyone around the Midwest that could help me reduce the cost of a private certificate in any way? Sorry if this is frowned upon, I figured a slim chance to reduce any amount from $10k would be worth it. :)

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

Michael Scott posted:

Complete shot in the dark, but I'm based out of Chicago and interested in learning to fly. Anyone around the Midwest that could help me reduce the cost of a private certificate in any way? Sorry if this is frowned upon, I figured a slim chance to reduce any amount from $10k would be worth it. :)

Get over to Texas and fly with Captain Apollo. He'll give you a huge discount if you are immune to CO2 poisoning.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'
What's there for a pilot to do if they don't want to make a career out of it and can't afford their own plane, other than occasionally renting a 152 and puttering around a bit for fun when it's nice outside? Is volunteer piloting a thing? I really want to get my license, but it's a lot of money to spend just to tick something off the bucket list.

Rudest Buddhist
May 26, 2005

You only lose what you cling to, bitch.
Fun Shoe

dupersaurus posted:

What's there for a pilot to do if they don't want to make a career out of it and can't afford their own plane, other than occasionally renting a 152 and puttering around a bit for fun when it's nice outside? Is volunteer piloting a thing? I really want to get my license, but it's a lot of money to spend just to tick something off the bucket list.

Join a flying club or look into experimental depending on if you're located in a city or a more rural area.

If you're super broke get into gliders.

ausgezeichnet
Sep 18, 2005

In my country this is definitely not offensive!
Nap Ghost

azflyboy posted:

This was just our fleet manager. We fired the director of training a few months ago after he got DUI #3.

How many DUI's does the Fleet Manager have? Gotta keep the resume up to date.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

dupersaurus posted:

What's there for a pilot to do if they don't want to make a career out of it and can't afford their own plane, other than occasionally renting a 152 and puttering around a bit for fun when it's nice outside? Is volunteer piloting a thing? I really want to get my license, but it's a lot of money to spend just to tick something off the bucket list.

I know plenty of CFIs that do it for fun part time outside of their normal jobs.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!

Michael Scott posted:

Complete shot in the dark, but I'm based out of Chicago and interested in learning to fly. Anyone around the Midwest that could help me reduce the cost of a private certificate in any way? Sorry if this is frowned upon, I figured a slim chance to reduce any amount from $10k would be worth it. :)

I'll need to dig it up. But there's a local group that will ~get you your license~ for $8500 or so. Flat fee. They fly out of bollingbrook IIRC. I'd ask now but the people involved are in oshkosh right now.

http://www.aandmaviation.com/instruction_airplane.php Looks like $8500 is reasonable there...

Animal posted:

Get over to Texas and fly with Captain Apollo. He'll give you a huge discount if you are immune to CO2 poisoning.

That... would be fun. CO, CO is that insidious killer. CO2 is what causes you to breathe, CO just kills you.

Nerobro fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jul 25, 2017

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot

Nerobro posted:

I'll need to dig it up. But there's a local group that will ~get you your license~ for $8500 or so. Flat fee. They fly out of bollingbrook IIRC. I'd ask now but the people involved are in oshkosh right now.

http://www.aandmaviation.com/instruction_airplane.php Looks like $8500 is reasonable there....

Thank you for this! I'll check in with them.

e: They're full as far as ability to take on students right now. I put myself on a waitlist. :)

Michael Scott fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jul 25, 2017

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI

dupersaurus posted:

What's there for a pilot to do if they don't want to make a career out of it and can't afford their own plane, other than occasionally renting a 152 and puttering around a bit for fun when it's nice outside? Is volunteer piloting a thing? I really want to get my license, but it's a lot of money to spend just to tick something off the bucket list.

This is all related to money, but I notice a lot of people aren't good at studying and hitting the books when they get into flying. If you're good at studying and are dedicated to chair flying you can save yourself a lot of money. However, the economics are simple. Bare minimum is still probably around 7k. Do not start flying lessons until you have 7k in a bank unencumbered IMHO. So if it's a bucket list item, make sure it's one you're willing to work for.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!
Here's the rest of the local listings too: http://www.flyingchicago.com/learn_to_fly.shtml

Captain Apollo posted:

Bare minimum is still probably around 7k. Do not start flying lessons until you have 7k in a bank unencumbered IMHO. So if it's a bucket list item, make sure it's one you're willing to work for.

I'm going to back this up. And make sure you know you have the money to fly each month, so you can keep current. This is why I haven't taken more lessons...

Rudest Buddhist
May 26, 2005

You only lose what you cling to, bitch.
Fun Shoe
Also it will completely take over your life and you will never have money again (in the best way possible).

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot
My friend and I are booked for a discovery flight on Saturday, in a 172, with a flight school that has a terrible website.

http://www.boraamaviation.com/

I hope their aircraft are better maintained than the site right?

Nuggan
Jul 17, 2006

Always rolling skulls.

Rudest Buddhist posted:

Also it will completely take over your life and you will never have money again (in the best way possible).


Confirmed this is true. Anywhere outside of a drive to work I want to fly to now...

I'd fly to work if I could land there...

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Michael Scott posted:

My friend and I are booked for a discovery flight on Saturday, in a 172, with a flight school that has a terrible website.

http://www.boraamaviation.com/

I hope their aircraft are better maintained than the site right?

All money that could be spent on a lovely website is spent on planes instead, that's probably a good sign rather than some slick-rear end website designed to sucker people in :v:

foghorn
Oct 9, 2006

Haters gunna hate.

Captain Apollo posted:

Near death experience.

Almost the exact same thing happened to me in my Cherokee 180, hypoxia at low altitude on a long cross country flight. Same cause, same fix. Story here.

You mentioned black oil being an indicator of an imminent engine overhaul. What level are we talking here? My oil gets progressively darker as it goes, but no worse than the Cessna I trained on. Compressions are still 70+, oil consumption is about one quart every 10 hours. Is there anything else I should look for or do? Dangling chicken entrails for signs from the piston ring gods?

Rudest Buddhist
May 26, 2005

You only lose what you cling to, bitch.
Fun Shoe

Michael Scott posted:

My friend and I are booked for a discovery flight on Saturday, in a 172, with a flight school that has a terrible website.

http://www.boraamaviation.com/

I hope their aircraft are better maintained than the site right?

Those wet prices aren't too shabby. If you're in the midwest you gotta fly in the winter, oh man it's great!

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Flight schools having websites is like, a luxury.

Also, ya, those wet prices ain't bad.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Haha, after currency conversion the rate for the C172N is exactly what I pay. And our fuel is more expensive up here from taxes, so I must be getting a wicked deal.

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Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI

foghorn posted:

Almost the exact same thing happened to me in my Cherokee 180, hypoxia at low altitude on a long cross country flight. Same cause, same fix. Story here.

You mentioned black oil being an indicator of an imminent engine overhaul. What level are we talking here? My oil gets progressively darker as it goes, but no worse than the Cessna I trained on. Compressions are still 70+, oil consumption is about one quart every 10 hours. Is there anything else I should look for or do? Dangling chicken entrails for signs from the piston ring gods?

Wow. Yeah almost the exact same story. I forgot to mention that I had flown the airplane about 10 hours in the previous two days to the accident, in IFR/IMC and that each time I did an instrument approach I remember feeling confused about what I had done (more than normal).

I am not an A&P but:

1) At the next oil change (and every 25 hours subsequently)- do an oil analysis. These are cheap and super cool because you get an awesome analysis back after a week. You are NOT looking for a smoking gun, but an overall trend.

2) my particular oil turned black extremely quickly after an oil change. This is because my rings on my cylinders were allowing oil to blow by the cylinder rings and contaminate the oil. Like it would turn black within an hour or two.

3) I have and will use Camguard. Always. Lycoming 360s leave the cam out of the oil sump. So if it sits for a month or two rust will develop because the cam isn't still oiled up.

4) fly it for at least an hour every 2 weeks, if at all possible. Just to keep the cam lubed up. Although black oil is really a cylinder thing from either the rings losing compression or from metal occuring from the cylinders.

If your compressions are high(good), I would look at the cylinders making metal. If you need to do a cylinder overhaul, replacing all 4 of mine only cost 4K to get new ones that I could use to qualify for my engine overhaul. Sometimes you can overhaul your own for 600 bucks a cylinder!

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