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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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Lots of teams have been successful and have had good defenses with point guards who are bad at defense. And for all the hand wringing about IT in the playoffs (myself high on that list) they covered for him pretty drat well. Point guard defense should not be weighed too heavily when considering value. This unfortunately makes box score warriors correct but steals are usually the best thing a PG can bring defensively. For a big, if you have trouble on that end of the floor it's a big problem. Example: "Can't play Kanter".
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Jul 23, 2017 04:17
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I am already sick of the Ball family.
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Jul 23, 2017 04:20
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Lockback posted:Lots of teams have been successful and have had good defenses with point guards who are bad at defense. And for all the hand wringing about IT in the playoffs (myself high on that list) they covered for him pretty drat well. Point guard defense should not be weighed too heavily when considering value. A point who can switch up is valuable. George Hill, Malcolm Brogdon, Jrue, Ricky. That's the real value of the big point guard.
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Jul 23, 2017 04:32
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EvanTH posted:Only "official" number I ever seen was 60-70% back in 1997 -- http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/26/sports/marijuana-and-pro-basketball-a-special-report-nba-s-uncontrolled-substance.html Without even getting into marijuana use there are now misguided people out there trying to eradicate cannabis. Cannabis is a naturally growing plant indigenous to this planet. Eradication could have unforeseen consequences to the biosphere. Humans have a word for that. Genocide. E2M2 posted:Yea the East is terrible. Even without Kyrie the Cavs will still be good. If the Cavaliers lost him it's  2018.Femur posted:this is all staged drama because that poo poo sales. Spite posted:See also the Team USA lineups last summer that had Kyrie and Melo on the floor. If Carmelo is involved all bets are off.
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Jul 23, 2017 05:39
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If that CLE rumor was true, what assets do the Cavs have that they could trade for Chris Paul and does IND really take Love for PG?My head's spinning.
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Jul 23, 2017 06:16
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I am already sick of LaVar Ball
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Jul 23, 2017 06:30
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I will never be sick of Lavar Ball. He makes people so mad. Its amusing.
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Jul 23, 2017 06:34
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Dexo posted:I will never be sick of Lavar Ball. This plus he seems to kind of actually know what he's doing. It's fascinating to watch
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Jul 23, 2017 06:38
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TV Zombie posted:If that CLE rumor was true, what assets do the Cavs have that they could trade for Chris Paul and does IND really take Love for PG?My head's spinning. Presumably they would be trading Irving for Paul and Love is a much better player than what Indiana actually got.
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Jul 23, 2017 06:39
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MourningView posted:Presumably they would be trading Irving for Paul and Love is a much better player than what Indiana actually got. Pacers no way no how move George for Love, primarily because they're stupid and petty and would rather have a worse team that "help" the Cavs. so I think that point whispering out of Lebrons camp is frankly bs. I'm on team Irving, I think he smelled LeBron getting wanderlust again and was like gently caress being in Cleveland then and now LeBron is trying to make someone else be the bad guy
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Jul 23, 2017 06:45
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Apparently Scott Perry hasn't met with Dolan yet. Don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing
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Jul 23, 2017 06:49
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I'm telling y'all, the "correct" move was Irving for CP3 and if the Clips could be convinced, TT and picks for DeAndre. Clippers save money and get young, and the Cavs become real deal contenders. The only thing in their way would be roster continuity and I think that matters less when the two guys coming in are long time teammates and one of them is Chris Paul.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:10
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Dexo posted:I will never be sick of Lavar Ball. I get the feeling he's going to overshadow all of his sons.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:31
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Love didn't really make sense for the Pacers since they are semi-rebuilding , but they would have happily involved another team that wants him to get young pieces from like the rumored CLE-IND-DEN swaps.
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Jul 23, 2017 07:54
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DeimosRising posted:I'm telling y'all, the "correct" move was Irving for CP3 and if the Clips could be convinced, TT and picks for DeAndre. Clippers save money and get young, and the Cavs become real deal contenders. The only thing in their way would be roster continuity and I think that matters less when the two guys coming in are long time teammates and one of them is Chris Paul. But that doesn't help them against GSW. I feel like Kyrie is actually a matchup problem in Cleveland's favor. Iguodala is the only person on GSW that can slow Kyrie down, but Iggy has to stay on Lebron. Klay's been really good against CP3 and even Curry can hold his own at times. He won't be able to score enough to keep Cleveland in games.
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Jul 23, 2017 08:21
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Spite posted:But that doesn't help them against GSW. I feel like Kyrie is actually a matchup problem in Cleveland's favor. Iguodala is the only person on GSW that can slow Kyrie down, but Iggy has to stay on Lebron. There's probably no feasible move that beats GS but Deandre+Crisp Haul instantly makes them a good defensive team. They didn't have any other route to a competitive defense. Now they straight up haven't got one Edit: let's be clear, Cleveland isn't close at the moment. They got trashed in the GS series and only won a game when they couldn't miss DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 08:44
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DeimosRising posted:There's probably no feasible move that beats GS but Deandre+Crisp Haul instantly makes them a good defensive team. They didn't have any other route to a competitive defense. Now they straight up haven't got one Having perimeter defenders helps to solve the KD problem and DeAndre can switch pretty well (especially on pick and rolls). Since GS is all about ball movement to get open looks and mismatches, DeAndre is probably the best center not in Utah for stifling that. Granted, you'd still need someone to guard KD one on one and not let Klay get open looks on the perimeter, buuuuut CP3-JR-PG13-LeBron-DeAndre (the no last name lineup) would probably have put the Cavs in a position to actually challenge the Warriors. But it didn't happen.
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Jul 23, 2017 13:47
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The issue with DeAndre is that while it makes the Cavs defense better, it also makes the Warriors defense way better because DeAndre is not a threat. You never want to give Draymond any ability to roam the paint without consequence.
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Jul 23, 2017 14:03
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Tae posted:The issue with DeAndre is that while it makes the Cavs defense better, it also makes the Warriors defense way better because DeAndre is not a threat. You never want to give Draymond any ability to roam the paint without consequence. I don't know about DeAndre "not being a threat", he's one of the best roll guys in the league. Not that the Cavs were ever going to be able to pull off getting Paul and/or DeAndre regardless of how Kyrie handled the situation ("they could have had x if someone had done y" stuff after the fact is just fanfic from reporters), but having the two highest basketball IQ guys on the floor, they easily would have been able to make DeAndre a threat. Hell, Paul did it by himself for years with DeAndre. And holy poo poo Tae, you spelled every name correctly in that post!
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Jul 23, 2017 14:21
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Tae posted:The issue with DeAndre is that while it makes the Cavs defense better, it also makes the Warriors defense way better because DeAndre is not a threat. You never want to give Draymond any ability to roam the paint without consequence. Deandre may literally be the best finisher at the rim in the league.
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Jul 23, 2017 14:23
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Clippers would not trade DeAndre for TT. Even if they wanted to blow up they'd probably get way better offers elsewhere.
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Jul 23, 2017 14:27
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Nah man ITT anyone who can't shoot 3's is worthless
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Jul 23, 2017 14:28
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Paul Zuvella posted:Deandre may literally be the best finisher at the rim in the league. He's actually second to LeBron, who finishes at the rim better than even Shaq.
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Jul 23, 2017 14:33
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Dexo posted:Nah man ITT anyone who can't shoot 3's is worthless Specifically when against the Warriors, pretty much. You just give the warriors defense way more possessions to just pack the paint than being spread out and possibly messing up on communication. DeAndre is a good option against 28 other teams, but the Cavs only goal is to beat the Warriors. If DeAndre dunks 10 times, the other 20-30 possessions are Draymond or Iggy or Durant just roaming and hard contesting the perimeter players because they're helping off him. Same as why despite Roberson shooting an unsustainable 4/6 on three's, the other 20-30 possessions were Harden just hanging around and disrupting the Thunder.
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Jul 23, 2017 14:37
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Tae posted:Specifically when against the Warriors, pretty much. You just give the warriors defense way more possessions to just pack the paint than being spread out and possibly messing up on communication. That's because Roberson is actually not a threat from anywhere on the court on the offensive side. DeAndre absolutely is a beast down low that you can't just ignore like Roberson, that is a poor comparison. And 10 dunks from DeAndre gets him at least 20 points (not including and-1's), I think every team in the league (including the Warriors) would be super happy with their "no threat" C scoring a super efficient 20 points. If the Cavs could get Jordan and Paul in this fantasy scenario, and DeAndre is good for 10 dunks a game, then they probably sweep the Warriors in the Finals, it wouldn't matter that the Warriors are able to cheat off him a bit (which they would stop doing round about his 5th dunk of the game). Edit: \/\/\/ Which of us? The B_36 fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 15:00
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What you're saying is not actually true
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Jul 23, 2017 15:04
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I brought my force field dog! Well, my dinosaur eats force field dogs!
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Jul 23, 2017 15:08
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Yes switching TT with Deandre Jordan make the Cavs worse as DJ is a better version of TT but he's been with too few Kardashians
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Jul 23, 2017 15:45
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Kibner posted:He's actually second to LeBron, who finishes at the rim better than even Shaq. 🐐
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Jul 23, 2017 15:57
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Kibner posted:He's actually second to LeBron, who finishes at the rim better than even Shaq. An underappreciated part of LeBron by the general populace (besides his passing) is that he gets to the rim way more with grace than power these days. Sure he still has plenty of LeBron freight train dunks but there are so many quick layups and neat reversals now that he's getting older.
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Jul 23, 2017 16:00
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand Kyrie seems to be really needy and dramatic! Most of that can be summed up as "I want what Lebron hassssss *foot stomp*"
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Jul 23, 2017 16:16
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Shouts to Lebron's media team. Kyrie wants a trade Because LeBron is leaving and Dan Gilbert is incompetent. Everything else is editorializing lol.
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Jul 23, 2017 16:19
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This was the best part quote:The Cavs kept working with the Nuggets, trying to win a deal that would satisfy the Pacers and allow Denver to get Love and the Cavs to get George. Both were concerned about Boston, who could trump their offers for George but might have been waiting to see if it could secure Gordon Hayward in free agency after July 1. Pritchard sucks
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Jul 23, 2017 16:21
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Pritchard owns
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Jul 23, 2017 16:23
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Pritchard is bad but he gave the Thunder a chance to have a fun season before probably 5 years of tanking so he's actually good.
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Jul 23, 2017 16:28
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Bush Did Outer Heaven posted:Pritchard is bad but he gave the Thunder a chance to have a fun season before probably 5 years of tanking so he's actually good. Not that I disagree but your consolation prize for your cool team breaking up was Russell Westbrook winning mvp and averaging a triple double so there are many teams that could have used it more. PG should have gone to Brooklyn definitely
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Jul 23, 2017 16:30
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Love and Jokic would've owned
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Jul 23, 2017 16:39
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Dexo posted:Shouts to Lebron's media team. What if LeBron retires after this year? He brought a championship to Cleveland. What's he got left to prove? edit Bush Did Outer Heaven posted:Pritchard is bad but he gave the Thunder a chance to have a fun season before probably 5 years of tanking so he's actually good. tanks but no tanks
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Jul 23, 2017 16:43
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I am insanely happy that Denver ended up with Millsap instead.
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Jul 23, 2017 16:49
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Metapod posted:Yes switching TT with Deandre Jordan make the Cavs worse as DJ is a better version of TT but he's been with too few Kardashians im not sure deandre is better than tt at switching but yeah its hilarious that apparently replacing the outside shooting presence of tristan thompson will be the downfall of the cavs spacing?? george on the thunder is far cooler than george on the cavs would have been
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