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Owlofcreamcheese posted:you too will get old, and when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders. So you're saying the country has a terrible sunburn?
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Coca Koala posted:The proliferation of information is probably a big part of it, honestly. There's so much information being presented now that a) it's impossible to keep track of it all and b) even cursory reading will tell you that everybody is lying all the time anyways. So once you think you know something, you can dismiss all the contrary evidence as being lies (since there are so many lies being passed around) and it's too much work to establish if you're correct or not. Hypocrisy in politics is not something you can pin on those MILLENNIALS and their SMART PHONES. Complaining about the amount of hypocrisy in politics was Mark Twain's whole thing in the 1800s.
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Groovelord Neato posted:even with this admin it's almost mind boggling how immoral a person can be to vocally support hillary clinton and poo poo on trump and then completely 180 and go and lie on tv for him. i really cannot grasp how this guy doesn't know he's going to be remembered as an enormous moronic spineless hypocrite. Have you really never had the misfortune of having to deal with a 1980s style Businessman (capital B)? They are complete chameleons whose only guiding principle is "Greed is good" (lifted straight from Gordon Gekko without any intended irony) with a superpower of making people believe that they are behind them 100% while at the same time constantly looking for opportunities to sell those people out for a payday. And when that happens they will respond to a muttered "et tu, 80s-guy?" with "business is business". People were comparing Scaramucci to the cryofrozen corporate raider "that guy" in Futurama for a reason. Like the tech bros in Silicon Valley, the Futurama depiction of anything understates just how awful those people are because the truth would make people go "oh come on don't be ridiculous". Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Robot Hobo posted:It's because, somehow, there is absolutely no penalty for hypocrisy anymore. It used to be that being caught in a lie was a huge scandal, now it ... just isn't? The fact that the modern world records everything forever should have made hypocrisy so much harder to escape, yet somehow that matters less than ever. Trump Jr. can personally tweet his own evidence of Russian collusion, and the next day he'll still have people shouting that he never met with Russians and it's fake news. The idea that all politicians are liars is as old as the concept of politicians. We've always voted in liars, they're just usually better at hiding the fact that they're lying.
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Groovelord Neato posted:even with this admin it's almost mind boggling how immoral a person can be to vocally support hillary clinton and poo poo on trump and then completely 180 and go and lie on tv for him. i really cannot grasp how this guy doesn't know he's going to be remembered as an enormous moronic spineless hypocrite. That's not immorality, it's amorality.
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Prester Jane posted:FWIW actual reality is starting to get stranger than the delusional reality my schizophrenia trapped me in for a few years. That reality went away when I started taking meds and that was really nice That's the opening paragraph of your book right there
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WampaLord posted:The idea that all politicians are liars is as old as the concept of politicians. I think it's more that there is some actual truth behind most politicians. Like Paul Ryan is really an Ayn Rand worshipping soulless ghoul.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Historically they die because they got overthrown from outside OR power gets seized by autocrats/tyrants who destroy their institutiions. How many democracies have failed? Most of the examples of democracies or republics failing that I can think of have been states that were pretty fragile democracies, or that were not fully democratic to begin with. Like, the Weimar Republic failed, but Germany didn't have democratic traditions to begin with.
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glowing-fish posted:How many democracies have failed? Most of the examples of democracies or republics failing that I can think of have been states that were pretty fragile democracies, or that were not fully democratic to begin with. Like, the Weimar Republic failed, but Germany didn't have democratic traditions to begin with. That isn't technically true.
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glowing-fish posted:How many democracies have failed? Most of the examples of democracies or republics failing that I can think of have been states that were pretty fragile democracies, or that were not fully democratic to begin with. Like, the Weimar Republic failed, but Germany didn't have democratic traditions to begin with. Roman republic (internal autocrats too charge), Athenian democracy (internal chaos led to losing a war, replaced with oligarchy), Icelandic Commonwealth (the only true libertopia in world history, eventually everyone got sick of all the private feuds and just swore allegiance the king of . . . Norway? ) That's off top of my head
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Google Butt posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/889139091949989888 Kushner can only do 1/6th of low energy Hillary. Sad!
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Shifty Pony posted:Have you really never had the misfortune of having to deal with a 1980s style Businessman (capital B)? They are complete chameleons whose only guiding principle is "Greed is good" (lifted straight from Gordon Gekko without any intended irony) with a superpower of making people believe that they are behind them 100% while at the same time constantly looking for opportunities to sell those people out for a payday. And when that happens they will respond to a muttered "et tu, 80s-guy?" with "business is business". but he's already rich. he's selling himself out for nothing. worse than nothing really.
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Groovelord Neato posted:but he's already rich. he's selling himself out for nothing. worse than nothing really. Not nothing, there's the potential he could end up richer than before.
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Groovelord Neato posted:but he's already rich. he's selling himself out for nothing. worse than nothing really. yeah but he thinks he can get richer and get more power if he sticks with trump.
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Radish posted:Who knows but there's always some midwest Republican trying to repeal regulations of killing them at the behest of some rich rear end cattle rancher. I expect that a chunk of it is ideological like with climate change. gently caress the environment because telling idiots that they can't do something ] is the worst thing you can do in this county. This is why I am not just trolling when I try to talk about geography in this thread. For reference, here is a map of where large predators live in the United States:  There are no cattle ranchers in the midwest who are dealing with wolves. Hearing people say things like that, to me, is like hearing a grandma try to buy CDs for their grandchildren in 1995. "Smashing Pumpkins...no, no, no, I don't want them listening to that rap music! I think they like alternative rock, like Bruce Springsteen". The basis of the Republican Party in the house is in suburban states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee. The amount of Republican Party members who live in areas where wolves are an issue is very small.
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So Sessions seems to be wanting to try and go after marijuana dispensaries and people who buy weed legally in their state. Kind of wonder if this'll be the straw that breaks the camel back.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Roman republic (internal autocrats too charge), Athenian democracy (internal chaos led to losing a war, replaced with oligarchy), Icelandic Commonwealth (the only true libertopia in world history, eventually everyone got sick of all the private feuds and just swore allegiance the king of . . . Norway? ) Ah, I should have put a caveat that I was speaking of modern democracies. Athens and Rome were democratic in the sense that they weren't ruled by a monarchy, but they had a limited franchise, and there obviously wasn't the technology and infrastructure for a complex legal system, etcetera. I mean, they are comparable in some ways, but I was thinking more in the past 200 years.
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Groovelord Neato posted:but he's already rich. he's selling himself out for nothing. worse than nothing really. "Yeah I was in the White House, buddies with the president and met all these world leaders. Handled all the PR stuff. Imagine what I can do for your company." could open some serious doors.
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Robot Hobo posted:It's because, somehow, there is absolutely no penalty for hypocrisy anymore. It used to be that being caught in a lie was a huge scandal, now it ... just isn't? The fact that the modern world records everything forever should have made hypocrisy so much harder to escape, yet somehow that matters less than ever. Trump Jr. can personally tweet his own evidence of Russian collusion, and the next day he'll still have people shouting that he never met with Russians and it's fake news. That’s because Trump is a cult of personality and can say lie after lie and it will never come back to haunt him unless he acknowledges he lied. That’s a key point. As long as he doesn’t admit he’s lying, his backers will continue to assume everyone else is lying. Even when he says stupid poo poo, his followers just assume he’s being misquoted or setup. This also works/worked for Putin and Hugo Chavez. They did/can do almost anything they want...but the person that comes after them isn’t so lucky. It also won’t work for Donny Jr., Jeff Sessions, Jared Kushner, or Michael Flynn. The only reason people are defending Trump Jr. is because it looks really bad for Trump. No one actually cares about Junior. So there’s plenty of penalties for hypocrisy. We just need to get over the fact there’s no penalty for Trump.
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Shifty Pony posted:"Yeah I was in the White House, buddies with the president and met all these world leaders. Handled all the PR stuff. Imagine what I can do for your company." could open some serious doors. What doors would you need to open when you're already rich? I can't understand that level of ambition.
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I can barely understand the resistance from the federal government to just push for marijuana legalization. I know there are a lot of interest groups that benefit from weed being illegal, but you barely see them making public arguments anymore (besides Sessions). Meanwhile, legalized states are having windfall tax revenue without any major issues and now serve as powerful pro-legalization interests. Imagine if Trump legalized weed: "Well, Trump is a piece of poo poo and did <terrible thing>, buuuuut he did legalize weed so I dunno man" 
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sharkbomb posted:I can barely understand the resistance from the federal government to just push for marijuana legalization. I know there are a lot of interest groups that benefit from weed being illegal, but you barely see them making public arguments anymore (besides Sessions). Meanwhile, legalized states are having windfall tax revenue without any major issues and now serve as powerful pro-legalization interests. You should be more culturally sensitive, cannabis is very taboo in the Eastern-American ethnic group.
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Does recess count as adjournment? https://twitter.com/jennymandel82/status/889134905904508928?s=09
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[quote="“sharkbomb”" post="“474640302”"] I can barely understand the resistance from the federal government to just push for marijuana legalization. I know there are a lot of interest groups that benefit from weed being illegal, but you barely see them making public argument anymores (besides Sessions). Meanwhile, legalized states are having windfall profits without any major issues and now serve as powerful pro-legalization interests. Imagine if Trump legalized weed: “Well, Trump is a piece of poo poo and did <terrible thing>, buuuuut he did legalize weed so I dunno man” [/quote] For profit prisons. Correctional officer unions. Police asset seizure budgets. D.A.’s who are afraid of being called soft on crime. It’s already mostly legal for White people.
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Yeah, mostly it has to do with asset forfeiture along with private prisons being the big pushers for keeping marijuana illegal.
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Groovelord Neato posted:these people are inhuman scum. We've lost the culture war. The new spokesman for the Trump admin is angling to be the next Goebbels, and no one is going to do anything about it except say "well he clearly was dominant in this conversation where he made the other guy cower by shouting him down with vitriol and lies, but his arguments weren't particularly genuous."
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Cheekio posted:We've lost the culture war. The new spokesman for the Trump admin is angling to be the next Goebbels, and no one is going to do anything about it except say "well he clearly was dominant in this conversation where he made the other guy cower by shouting him down with vitriol and lies, but his arguments weren't particularly genuous." Is this where we're at now? Really? The White House Communications Director is cause for arzying?
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Comrade Fakename posted:There's a theory floating about that China's gender imbalance means that they're going to invade North Korea at some point just to burn off the excess men. That's dumb as hell and anyone pushing it is insane. Unless China sends their forces in naked and unarmed they aren't going to lose very many fighting men by invading a country like North Korea. Losing even tens of thousands of men when you're talking about a gender gap that's likely well in to the tens of millions is basically nothing. And then they'd have a multi-trillion dollar area to fix up afterwards Google Butt posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/889139091949989888 How could Schiff's response to that counsel be anything other than "he will be available to use for as long as our questions require" at this point? If someone says "fine I'll answer your questions but only until I don't want to" I'd expect congress to tell them to sit their rear end back down or start pleading the 5th until they're allowed to leave.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Is this where we're at now? Really? The White House Communications Director is cause for arzying? apperently. he is worse then spicer and it shows. news people on twitter and tv are still calling him out and he is just as bad if not worse at dodging them, trump only hired him because he talks about how trump is the greatest at everything.
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