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Shanghaied posted:I'd say that they are equally inaccurate though? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal and maybe I've just had an incredibly sheltered life surrounded by betas cucks or something, but the vast, vast majority of people I've known don't/have never ridden the pussy train/dick carousel. I can off the top of my head think of at least ten people who are in 10+ year relationships/married to people they met in high school or in their early twenties. The ones that have dated "extensively" have maybe had 4 or 5 relationships (most of my friends are in their late 20s/early 30s) each. The one friend who I know for certain has slept with "a lot of" women has slept with maybe 20 girls over maybe a 10-year period, not hundreds, and he has been with his current GF for 7 years and awaiting their first child. I agree that the male and female versions of the sex-obsessed stereotype are both outliers, but there still aspects of our culture that encourage men to be that way and discourage women from it. stud vs. slut I don't think it's a myth that young guys tend to pressure their girlfriends into sex. But I do think it's a myth that women don't have high sex drives - it's not that women don't want to have sex. They just have more stigma and different repercussions attached if they follow through, which makes sexual activity higher-risk compared to reward. Also, I've seen info indicating that men prefer not to have a girlfriend more intelligent that they are. If this is correct, it means a woman of high intelligence could be at a disadvantage in finding a relationship. Here's an article about one such study... interpreting this stuff is not my forte, so maybe it's BS, or maybe it's not. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5627a564e4b02f6a900ed2aa
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Also, on the whole, women are shockingly more educated than men in the current generation. They do a lot better in schools the way that schools are currently structured. This is probably one of the reasons that now, in 46% of households, the woman is the breadwinner. You think it's nuts that there are all these women supporting shiftless musicians, there are a lot of women supporting shiftless musicians.
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Being a kept man is amazing, just ask the 24 year opd pool boy my former CEO used as a combination sperm donor, dog watcher, and actual pool boy.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:She got mad as hell, and wasn't going to take it anymore.  I think the main difference between the Male Incel culture and why we don't really see as much of a  Incel culture has to do with A. Age and B. How young men are taught to be men.Most of the goobers we see posting are between what, 12-25ish? Sure there are the few older incels, but it seems to be mostly younger/teenage boys. As someone else pointed out, that's when you're hormones are going crazy and no one really teaches teenagers how to deal with that poo poo. I look back on my teenage years and cringe because I could have easily fallen in with these idiots, although actually having friends helped keep me away from turning into a complete fuckwit. Of course as a young man, all we're given to go on is what the media tells us and what our parents try to instill into us, but at that age we know everything and of course your parents don't get it because it's different now etc. So you take raging hormones, and more than likely untreated depression, which can often manifest as anger in teenagers, and all the usual insecurity that comes from being a teenager, toss that poo poo into a blender of "The world isn't fair and balanced like you think it is" realization and a healthy dose of terrible media portrayals of men and women/how relationships work, and we get these loving idiots who can't get over their weird hang ups about their wrists and nasolabial folds. I think the Incel community tends to be more quiet with the self loathing, keeping it to Tumblr or whatever other blog site they use (back in my day it was LiveJournal and hooo-boy).I'm almost 100% certain the whole "Lay down and Rot" thing is serious untreated depression. Of course we all keep saying "They really need therapy" but if you've sunk so far down in your depression, getting help seems futile. Basically it's Hormones + Untreated Depression and an extremely negative feedback loop of other deeply depressed dorks all jerking each other off about how miserable they are and how it's not their fault, it's "Chad", the mythical Ubermensch. Also I'm 6'6 and have thin wrists, and yet I've managed to not only have sex with but also have relationships. I guess I'm a Chad? Or am I a betacuck because I've never bedded a Virgin?
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Is this like Waiting for Godot but with more cats?
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Furthermore, the "man tasks" have largely been the things technology has replaced or made difficult, as opposed to the "woman tasks". (Historically speaking.) You still need to raise your kid, garden, clean, whatever, largely manually. Entertaining, decorating, etc. Women still know how to do many of these things, and will take these roles. Some things have fallen off--cooking, baking, sewing, etc.--but also many of us know how to do these properly. Fixing plumbing, cars, wiring, etc.? A lot of guys can't do this any more. Even if my dad did not work in a professional capacity, he'd still be value added because he does things like plumbing, carpentry, yard work, home maintenance, car maintenance, and suchlike. My parents have saved a lot of money by keeping things fixed and not having to buy new--their Sharp vacuum is 30 years old, their washer and dryer set they got when they were married (35 years ago). Having my father around will save you money and keep you from having to call a number of service providers. What the hell does the average 25 year old man know how to do now? Is he going to fix my car? Can he change the loving oil? Bad proposition. Just get another wife 
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Pick posted:
Where can I find one of these women who will support my shiftless musical endeavors?
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Pick posted:Also, on the whole, women are shockingly more educated than men in the current generation. They do a lot better in schools the way that schools are currently structured. This is probably one of the reasons that now, in 46% of households, the woman is the breadwinner. The really funny part about all this is that back when I was in school we were looking at studies about division of labor in the household. A lot of researchers found that, basically, as men spent more time at home in relation to women, they reported doing more household labor (cooking, cleaning, etc.) in hours. It turns out that when corroborating this, the researchers noticed that instead men were actually doing less house work, in hours, than they did (in comparison to earlier studies) when they were working outside the house more.
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There's less female incels than male because there's always an older man willing to take advantage of a woman incel who lacks the social skills to understand they are being taken advantage of.
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Literally A Person posted:The really funny part about all this is that back when I was in school we were looking at studies about division of labor in the household. A lot of researchers found that, basically, as men spent more time at home in relation to women, they reported doing more household labor (cooking, cleaning, etc.) in hours. It turns out that when corroborating this, the researchers noticed that instead men were actually doing less house work, in hours, than they did (in comparison to earlier studies) when they were working outside the house more. It's because men are lazy as hell and you have to yell at them. My Asian friends are good at this and they've taught me a lot.
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Bombadilillo posted:Metal Gear Solid remake leaked script looking good. No poo poo this is so accurate.
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Pick posted:It's because men are lazy as hell and you have to yell at them. My Asian friends are good at this and they've taught me a lot. Tbf, I think a lot of it goes back to the cultural stuff. Like men learning that their labor is more valuable than womens. Therefore they start to internalize that "women's tasks" are not worth doing in general. I'm a "shiftless musician" but am also a carpenter and come from a family of plumbers so I have some useful skills. It turns out though that the most useful skill is recognizing that household labor is worth doing regardless of gender and that forcing your partner to in effect work two jobs (one outside the house plus the labor in the home) is hosed up and kinda mean.
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Pick posted:It's because men are lazy as hell and you have to yell at them. My Asian friends are good at this and they've taught me a lot. You have really poor views on men. You should consider getting therapy for that.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Whilst it can be assumed that incels are bitter, broke brained lonely poorly socialised straight male teenagers who aren't geting the sex that they seem to believe is theirs by birthright. they blame themselves and are sad about it, rather than lashing out Mak0rz posted:On the topic of "female incels" there's Christine Chubbuck: the news reporter who spent her entire life convincing herself that she's unlovable to the point where she finally snapped and killed herself on live TV i identified very strongly with this woman for a very long time. i'm 30 now myself and my luck in love has not changed one bit, but i'm way more easygoing about it than i've ever been 
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joylessdivision posted:You have really poor views on men. You should consider getting therapy for that. Yet another similarity between Pick and the incels. She won't, of course, just as they don't. Why lose your excuse to gain nothing?
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Proposition Castle posted:Is this like Waiting for Godot but with more cats? I tried to read it, but it's really boring (which isn't helped by the grey-on-white font) and nonsensical. I think it's a website that tells Christian incel women to pray for a husband, and cultivate your relationship to God first, and hope that the rest will come as well. The author uses the metaphor of Ruth and Boaz, two people who were brought together by God (ignoring that Ruth went outside and caught the eye of Boaz, eventually laying down next to him, but whatever). The mission statement seems to be her statement "The Myth About Marriage": quote:The myth about marriage that there is someone, anyone other than God who can make you whole. It seems to mostly be basic-rear end Evangelical theology, with some prosperity theology thrown in for good measure. You know, if you love God and cultivate a relationship with him and let him know all your wishes, he will bless you in every aspect of your life, including finding a man for you. Implicitly: If you don't have a man, clearly you need to love God more first. I used to be a theology boy, [ASK] me about it.
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Pick posted:Furthermore, the "man tasks" have largely been the things technology has replaced or made difficult, as opposed to the "woman tasks". (Historically speaking.) Yeah, and it also sucks that a lot of the jobs that will still be necessary for some time to come - such as nursing - involve things that men have been socialized against. Like caring for helpless invalid people, which should be a universal human trait. Society has conditioned some people to think that women or servants are the caregivers, therefore it's a devalued task. As a culture we need to shift away from this view of caregiving, and it will benefit everyone.
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green chicken feet posted:Yeah, and it also sucks that a lot of the jobs that will still be necessary for some time to come - such as nursing - involve things that men have been socialized against. Like caring for helpless invalid people, which should be a universal human trait. Not to get all Marxist theorist on you but it certainly doesn't benefit everyone. It only benefits those who can't afford servants to do the work a family used to do. In other words, people without enough capital to matter
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Literally A Person posted:Not to get all Marxist theorist on you but it certainly doesn't benefit everyone. It only benefits those who can't afford servants to do the work a family used to do. Hehe. Good point. Well if it disproportionately benefits people who can't afford butlers, nannies, and personal assistants, then I am all for it.
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green chicken feet posted:Hehe. Good point. Well if it disproportionately benefits people who can't afford butlers, nannies, and personal assistants, then I am all for it.  
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Proposition Castle posted:Is this like Waiting for Godot but with more cats? I have two women like this in my circle of friends and they both have multiple cats, so yes. One is definitely held up because of religious reasons. She's the one who posted the Waiting for Boaz link and complains endlessly on Facebook about how hard it is to wait for God to bring you a man. She moved from my Godless Liberal City back to her hometown of Turkey Holler, Pennsyltucky in the hopes of finding a religious man but so far God has not delivered. The other is just super picky. However, unlike incels, both of these women have jobs and friends and bathe regularly and whatnot so they're far less entertaining.
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green chicken feet posted:I agree that the male and female versions of the sex-obsessed stereotype are both outliers, but there still aspects of our culture that encourage men to be that way and discourage women from it. stud vs. slut Yeah sure, I'm certainly not going to deny that male and female sexualities are subject to different social norms. My point is though high promiscuity and the maximisation of dick/pussy count, chemistry and emotions be damned, (or hypergamy, to borrow the incel term) is relatively rare in the real world, for either sex. Not that you would ever know, if you get all your info solely from popular media. Now, with that said, male promiscuity is certainly tolerated to a much greater extent. And male promiscuity is certainly far more common in Western popular media, often as a kind of comical aberration. As for the researches you linked to, psychology is not my field so I can't really judge the quality of the journals in which they are published, so they are what they are. But that's kinda the problem with science journalism in general: the public generally don't know that in any given field the journals vary a lot in quality and anything can get published if you go down far enough on the list, and one or two studies published in mediocre or even poo poo journals is often reported as new scientific "discoveries" if it's sensational enough. Meanwhile, scientific concepts backed by broad, decades-long consensus are presented as merely "theories". But as someone who does qualitative research, I find it extremely funny that some quant sperg has operationalised something as ephemeral and abstract as human attraction as the distance between chairs.
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green chicken feet posted:
This is not new. When I was in HS last century, they made the girls take A Class called 'Good Grooming'. We were taught how to do make-up, why showers matter, etc. Of all the things they slathered on, the one I remember best was, "Never show your knowledge. Boys won't like you if you're smart. Even if you're in college, you must always defer to them because they don't like smart girls." I didn't get a very good grade for that part. As far as a stereotypes go, there was a bit on a show where they set up dates for girls and guys. They used conventionally-attractive pictures to set up the dates, but when the person showed up, they were fat and no longer 'acceptable'. Interestingly, the guys bailed fast, usually after accusing the girl of tricking him, while the girls at least sat and talked to the guys.
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That's great. I'm lazy enough that I'd rather not be the "smart one" all the time and she'll have been socialized to not want to appear smarter than me, so it will end up as a Cold War of us acting progressively more retarded so as not to upset the dynamic. It ends with her trying to invent heelies for dogs and me trying to adopt a giant python, both fully cognizant but feeling trapped with no alternatives
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fruit on the bottom posted:That's great. I'm lazy enough that I'd rather not be the "smart one" all the time and she'll have been socialized to not want to appear smarter than me, so it will end up as a Cold War of us acting progressively more retarded so as not to upset the dynamic. It ends with her trying to invent heelies for dogs and me trying to adopt a giant python, both fully cognizant but feeling trapped with no alternatives
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Zzulu posted:I think intelligent chicks are hot Um, yeah. Amazing as it sounds, some people need to feel like they are "in control" of another to have a long term relationship. oh wait, not surprising. people are generally terrible
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fruit on the bottom posted:That's great. I'm lazy enough that I'd rather not be the "smart one" all the time and she'll have been socialized to not want to appear smarter than me, so it will end up as a Cold War of us acting progressively more retarded so as not to upset the dynamic. It ends with her trying to invent heelies for dogs and me trying to adopt a giant python, both fully cognizant but feeling trapped with no alternatives
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Khazar-khum posted:This is not new. When I was in HS last century, they made the girls take A Class called 'Good Grooming'. We were taught how to do make-up, why showers matter, etc. Of all the things they slathered on, the one I remember best was, "Never show your knowledge. Boys won't like you if you're smart. Even if you're in college, you must always defer to them because they don't like smart girls." When I was in middle school "Home Ec" was required for both genders and drat if that wasn't a class that people should have minded better. I did well because I already knew that stuff ("I already take care of a lot of these things because my mother is chronically ill!  ") but it was some practical-rear end stuff and no mistake.
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dudeness posted:There's less female incels than male because there's always an older man willing to take advantage of a woman incel who lacks the social skills to understand they are being taken advantage of. Also because women are way more willing to lower their standards and bang absolutely garbage guys if it's the only way for the Hormone Gods to be sated. See: most of the sex happening between teenage boys and teenage girls.
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Shanghaied posted:But as someone who does qualitative research, I find it extremely funny that some quant sperg has operationalised something as ephemeral and abstract as human attraction as the distance between chairs. Agreed regarding your other points. Now I must say... The space between Your chair and mine Is the quantitative measure of the abstract human attraction ...makes for terrible song lyrics
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Literally A Person posted:Um, yeah. Amazing as it sounds, some people need to feel like they are "in control" of another to have a long term relationship. Yeah, the power dynamic is a really key element for the incel crowd, and is why there's not really a female equivalent. These guys feel powerless and are just dying to have something in their life (a woman) that they can exercise authority over. For most that's a bigger deal than the sex I think, or at least it's what the sex represents.
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Khazar-khum posted:This is not new. When I was in HS last century, they made the girls take A Class called 'Good Grooming'. We were taught how to do make-up, why showers matter, etc. Of all the things they slathered on, the one I remember best was, "Never show your knowledge. Boys won't like you if you're smart. Even if you're in college, you must always defer to them because they don't like smart girls." Well, that's really awful that your class taught girls to play dumb. Even if there is truth to it...  I actually wish my HS had a good grooming class though because due to differences in my mom's and my ethnic background I had to figure out a lot of stuff she never taught me. My mom's hygiene is perfectly fine, but she had no idea how to take care of my hair, for instance. Edit: regarding the game show bit, I'm not shocked by the result, but it is interesting, so thanks for sharing the story. green chicken feet fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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HazCat posted:Also because women are way more willing to lower their standards and bang absolutely garbage guys if it's the only way for the Hormone Gods to be sated. i think there are a lot of women/girls who internalize the "guys are more visual, and girls like emotions or whatever" narrative, so they decide that as long as a guy is nice* to them that's all that really matters *"nice" can mean anything from "genuinely kind" to "hasn't literally set me on fire yet"
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