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Mind_Taker posted:I know Trump will probably veto any Russian sanction bill but why are people even worried about it? Doesn't it have wide bipartisan support that could easily override a veto? I'm not even sure Trump knows what a veto is yet
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glowing-fish posted:Ah, I should have put a caveat that I was speaking of modern democracies. Athens and Rome were democratic in the sense that they weren't ruled by a monarchy, but they had a limited franchise, and there obviously wasn't the technology and infrastructure for a complex legal system, etcetera. Ok, french democracy has failed like three or four times.
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doesn't surprise. gently caress green party. loving anti vaccx tankie fucks.
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Mind_Taker posted:I know Trump will probably veto any Russian sanction bill but why are people even worried about it? Doesn't it have wide bipartisan support that could easily override a veto? trump will veto because he is an idiot then will get mad when it gets overidden and he loses more GOP support from the moderates.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:15
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sanctions are usually dumb and bad.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, french democracy has failed like three or four times. Well, I mean we can also say that all of the Democracies of Europe failed when the nazis rolled in. Italian democracy failed with the rise of the fascists, so did the Spanish republic with Franco...
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Mind_Taker posted:I know Trump will probably veto any Russian sanction bill but why are people even worried about it? Doesn't it have wide bipartisan support that could easily override a veto? He has to veto it to keep his boss happy so the piss tape isn't released. Along with the documentation to show how far in debt he is to the Russians.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:18
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, it only took being born into a wealthy family, begging family for money when he failed, and other smarter people to keep his poo poo afloat to be "successful", while when left to things himself he loving fails hard.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:20
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Hypocrisy in politics is not something you can pin on those MILLENNIALS and their SMART PHONES. Complaining about the amount of hypocrisy in politics was Mark Twain's whole thing in the 1800s. I agree with your point that seems fairly unrelated to my post, but it's always nice to be quoted so thanks, friend.
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Mind_Taker posted:I know Trump will probably veto any Russian sanction bill but why are people even worried about it? Doesn't it have wide bipartisan support that could easily override a veto? I honestly think that Trump believes the public trust and adore him, and it is only "jealous losers (SAD)" who lie and say he's doing his job poorly. That's why it is FAKE NEWS. For example- Interesting times we are living in!
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Jul 23, 2017 18:22
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glowing-fish posted:This is why I am not just trolling when I try to talk about geography in this thread. This is why everyone loving hates your siloed geography talk. There are ranchers in Montana and Idaho that are affected by wolves. They get political coverage from Republican politicians in the midwest and talking heads in New York because they are all part of the same party.
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[quote="“Skex”" post="“474641167”"] He has to veto it to keep his boss happy so the piss tape isn’t released. Along with the documentation to show how far in debt he is to the Russians. [/quote] The Kremlin’s investment in Trump has already paid off handsomely. He doesn’t owe them anything else. If anyone’s getting the piss tape, it’s Democrats as part of a deal to get Trump out of Office and lift sanctions. Next year we’ll be seeing Pelosi’s “I love it, especially later in the summer!” email scandal. Email Subject: Confidential...Trump...R Kelly
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Jul 23, 2017 18:30
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what the gently caress why https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/889177957029249024
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skylined! posted:what the gently caress why https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/889167355716263936
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https://twitter.com/octonion/status/888796242586722304
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Jul 23, 2017 18:45
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Where's the arrest warrant for Jefferson "Jefferson Beauregard Sessions" Beauregard Sessions IV
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Jul 23, 2017 18:48
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So then if it's a crime either way, make then take the loving oath!!
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skylined! posted:what the gently caress why So this is how it ends, not with a bang or a whimper, but a very bemused... "Huh".
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Groovelord Neato posted:sanctions are usually dumb and bad.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:55
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Totally standard and normal, everything is just fine folks *closes door while chuckling*
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Jul 23, 2017 18:57
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Nothing matters you dummies
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Your Taint posted:So then if it's a crime either way, make then take the loving oath!! The penalty for lying to Congress is a fine and up to five years in prison. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001 The penalty for purjury is a fine and up to five years in prison. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621 So....?
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Jul 23, 2017 18:58
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farraday posted:The penalty for lying to Congress is a fine and up to five years in prison. So put him away for ten years damnit
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Autism Sneaks posted:So put him away for ten years damnit That's not the way that works.
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Jul 23, 2017 19:02
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farraday posted:The penalty for lying to Congress is a fine and up to five years in prison. Right now confidence in the system is shaken, and agreeing to let them testify without taking the oath looks bad, whether or not it actually is.
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Jul 23, 2017 19:03
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Well they're also getting a closed hearing and apparently Kushner is getting the ultra-express version so he can get back to saving the world asap. Nothing about this really inspires much confidence.
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Is there a state or district law he can violate by perjuring himself? Because at this point we need to diversify our jurisdictions.
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Man, we live in the shittest loving piece of poo poo country. God, Red States are literal cancer as is every right-leaning individual.
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Your Taint posted:Right now confidence in the system is shaken, and agreeing to let them testify without taking the oath looks bad, whether or not it actually is. Oh. The optics. Why didn't you say so.
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Jul 23, 2017 19:06
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farraday posted:The penalty for lying to Congress is a fine and up to five years in prison. is the enforcing body any different?
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farraday posted:The penalty for lying to Congress is a fine and up to five years in prison. The definition of perjury you linked is pretty plainly a lot more strict and has no exemptions. Half of 1001 is about ways it can be nullified or made inapplicable. e: If it were bing bong so simple, why would they EVER bother to swear anyone in 
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Serfer posted:Where's the arrest warrant for Jefferson "Jefferson Beauregard Sessions" Beauregard Sessions IV Jefferson "Jefferson Beauregard Sessions" Beauregard Sessions IV did not lie as he colluded with the Russians as his Senator Jefferson "Jefferson Beauregard Sessions" Beauregard Sessions IV persona and not Private Citizen Jefferson "Jefferson Beauregard Sessions" Beauregard Sessions IV persona.
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skylined! posted:is the enforcing body any different? Not as far as I'm aware. Flesh Forge posted:The definition of perjury you linked is pretty plainly a lot more strict and has no exemptions. Half of 1001 is about ways it can be nullified or made inapplicable. In fact a lying to Congress charge would far broader and therefore easier to prove as perjury has stricter limitations that have been settled by law. Edit: To make it simple, the same statement that could get him charged under perjury would likewise be chargeable under lying to congress for the same penalty. Statements that would not qualify under perjury could still be chargeable under lying to Congress. In both cases the prosecution of the offense is the key issue that needs to be addressed as swearing the oath does not seem to magically cause a prosecution to happen for the subsequent lies. farraday fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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How do you conclude that?
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farraday posted:Not as far as I'm aware. so... by your interpretation... it's easier to get in trouble for lying if you're not under oath than if you are? Why would we ever put anyone under oath then? I legitimately have no clue about perjury and no experience in law whatsoever so idk farraday posted:Edit: To make it simple, the same statement that could get him charged under perjury would likewise be chargeable under lying to congress for the same penalty. Statements that would not qualify under perjury could still be chargeable under lying to Congress. Yeah again here. So anything that could be considered perjury would also fall under "lying to Congress." And things that are not perjury also fall under "lying to Congress." The penalties for lying to Congress and perjury are the same. Why have perjury or an oath at all then? Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Blitz7x posted:Nothing matters you dummies If you truly think nothing matters then post a banme rather than continue being a despairing babyman, nobody wants you bringing everyone down uselessly.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, french democracy has failed like three or four times. Yeah they're on to the 5th version of the republic... the first republic lead to an emperor! Each time they add new laws to limit how much power the president can grab if he's the no honour amoral Trump type. The current french constitution is still vunerable to being abused by a tyrant. Tradition and good faith only go so far as you're seeing right now in the USA. 
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Repeating my running joke of it's going to be great when Dust Bowl 2 happens. LOL Farmers and fishermen are the stupidest s.o.bs ever, especially the fisherman since I think they see the cause and effect of their overfishing even more quickly.
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FizFashizzle posted:Lol trump is taking a three week vacation. Now he'll finally have time to watch TV.
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I'm not a lawyer or even very smart but 1001 seems really obviously a softer statute
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