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oh my god I would be so happy if Trump suspended congressional pay. That's what it would take for GOP congress to turn against him I'm sure.
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"Why won't anyone support me?!" Whines man who doesn't care about anyone else
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Jul 23, 2017 21:23
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That'd be beautiful.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:24
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Casey Finnigan posted:It's still a felony if they lie, with the same penalty applying. That's why a lot of people in the thread think it's weird they're not gonna be sworn in. It must just look better in their minds. I'm sorry. I enjoyed watching Hawaii 5-0 way too much as a kid. 
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Jul 23, 2017 21:25
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Serious question: Assuming this is even possible, how many congresspeople would this actually mean trouble for? Almost all of em are independently wealthy and their congressional pay is comparatively peanuts.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:25
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Casey Finnigan posted:oh my god I would be so happy if Trump suspended congressional pay. That's what it would take for GOP congress to turn against him I'm sure. Congress pays itself, lol
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Jul 23, 2017 21:25
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whether he could do it or not it'd be worth it just to see him stomping around directly threatening the livelihood of congressmen. Honestly it's even better that he can't do it edit: yes I know congressmen don't need the pay from their jobs to live
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Jul 23, 2017 21:27
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Pakled posted:Serious question: Assuming this is even possible, how many congresspeople would this actually mean trouble for? Almost all of em are independently wealthy and their congressional pay is comparatively peanuts. Rich old men won't tolerate anyone else telling them they can't have money.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:28
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I feel like that would run afoul of the 27th amendment, since it specifies congressional wages cant be increased or decresed until the start of the next congress quote:No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:29
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The Glumslinger posted:I feel like that would run afoul of the 27th amendment, since it specifies congressional wages cant be increased or decresed until the start of the next congress Also Congressional pay doesn't even run through the Executive branch so how would Trump even do it? Jacob Wohl: A dumb person.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:30
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The Glumslinger posted:I feel like that would run afoul of the 27th amendment, since it specifies congressional wages cant be increased or decresed until the start of the next congress Does it say "no illegal executive order" nope it says "law" checkmate conlawtards
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Jul 23, 2017 21:31
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How can we get this on fox and friends
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Jul 23, 2017 21:31
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The last time the US had a (good) foundation-shaking president, the response was to pass a bad amendment putting term limits on the POTUS so nobody like them could every exist again. If the US survives Trump and actually acknowledges how many problems exist, hopefully we'll get some good amendments in response to him being such a loving disaster of a human being. Goddamn this article is reaching hard to try and make its argument. Pakled posted:Serious question: Assuming this is even possible, how many congresspeople would this actually mean trouble for? Almost all of em are independently wealthy and their congressional pay is comparatively peanuts. It's not possible. Trump is not the CEO of America like these people think he is.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:32
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The Glumslinger posted:I feel like that would run afoul of the 27th amendment, since it specifies congressional wages cant be increased or decresed until the start of the next congress Actually it would run afoul of Article 1 of the Constitution which states that quote:The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. So yeah, great idea.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:33
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If we're going to go nuts with crazy stuff here's a goldbug type conspiracy site that says Trump is going to cancel the USD and institute a new digital currency that would also be a way to trace people http://moneywise411.com/man-who-predicted-trump-oub7/
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Jul 23, 2017 21:34
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GamingHyena posted:Also Congressional pay doesn't even run through the Executive branch so how would Trump even do it? He could pass an order cranking the heating up to max until they capitulate.
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Pakled posted:Serious question: Assuming this is even possible, how many congresspeople would this actually mean trouble for? Almost all of em are independently wealthy and their congressional pay is comparatively peanuts. If you messed with their benefits at the same time, Congress could learn just how expensive healthcare really is. But yeah, separation of powers and all.
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Lightning Lord posted:If we're going to go nuts with crazy stuff here's a goldbug type conspiracy site that says Trump is going to cancel the USD and institute a new digital currency that would also be a way to trace people Sweet, I have a pretty good graphics card so I can get on the Trumpcoin mining business on the ground floor.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:37
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farraday posted:Oh. The optics. Why didn't you say so. You know, this sentiment was thrown out like crazy during the election, and it still sounds loving stupid as hell. "The awptics!", "It's just optics stop Arzying", etc. The majority of politics is loving optics. It's showing your voters what you stand for/what the other guys are screwing up, showing how honest and amicable you are. The Republicans have RWM maintaining a stranglehold on the optics for their base, and as a result a full 1/3 of the country is batshit crazy with their politics because their optics are conservatives winning for American business and stopping the godless queer libs. Public ceremony with all its pomp and bullshit has always been and will continue to be an integral part of politics. Pretending that Democrats or government institutions looking weak, incompetent, or unwilling to challenge blatant corruption or criminal acts doesn't matter because "it's just optics" is dangerously stupid. That poo poo does matter and it's a big part of why Americans have our current attitudes towards government.
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Pakled posted:Serious question: Assuming this is even possible, how many congresspeople would this actually mean trouble for? Almost all of em are independently wealthy and their congressional pay is comparatively peanuts. There are some from flyover states that aren't swimming in it. Like your random tea party rear end in a top hat who owns a couple quiznos in south dakota is probably over leveraged as hell. But they'd just fire a bunch of staff most likely.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:43
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One of the strangest things I've seen in the last little while is the slow reveal of how entangled the Green Party may be with this whole thing. It's just loving weird. If there's one thing you could say about Ralph Nader (I mean one good thing) is that he would never pander to corrupting forces.
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Overwined posted:One of the strangest things I've seen in the last little while is the slow reveal of how entangled the Green Party may be with this whole thing. It's just loving weird. If there's one thing you could say about Ralph Nader (I mean one good thing) is that he would never pander to corrupting forces. this is nothing new. Stein has been taking russian money for a while. Russia likes to fund fringe parties all over the world. In parliamentary systems it can actually do some damage. In the United States it's a good way to set money on fire, 2000 not withstanding.
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Jul 23, 2017 21:52
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Krispy Kareem posted:If you messed with their benefits at the same time, Congress could learn just how expensive healthcare really is. When the gently caress has that ever stopped Trump? He could do it when they finally recess and act like its their fault it happened.
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Overwined posted:One of the strangest things I've seen in the last little while is the slow reveal of how entangled the Green Party may be with this whole thing. It's just loving weird. If there's one thing you could say about Ralph Nader (I mean one good thing) is that he would never pander to corrupting forces. Ralph Nader actually did a lot of really important things for this country - probably saved more lives than Obamacare ever will with his car safety campaign. He was also partially responsible for Gore losing and the Iraq War too so you know, give and take.
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Throwing Turtles posted:I looked it up, Medicaid can cover the price of a scooter that medicare doesn't cover. It wasn't clear in my 5 minute look if Medicaid would cover the entire cost of a scooter, but if you need one you probably qualify for medicare either through disability or retirement. The requirements are pretty strict, to qualify it has to be medically necessary in order to get around your home. If you can get around your home but need it to go outside your out of luck, which seems hugely limiting. As for pricing a quick search has them running from 800-10,000$. Medicaid covers the 20% that Medicare doesn't and if your on Medicaid that 20% might be enough to put it out of reach. Crazy. I would think a scooter wouldn't be good for home use, but that is a decent measurement of how much mobility someone has. The thought came up from friends of mine who recently drove from Toronto to NYC to see a podcast recording and the remarked when they stopped at a wal-mart to get some snacks just outside of Niagara, they couldn't believe just how many Rascals were everywhere in the store. That made me curious about how easy they were to get. They're not too common here in Canada, and I always see them being used by older people and people with mobility problems. Discendo Vox posted:Most of the mobility scooter market is a massive, billions of dollars collection of medicare fraud schemes. Now that's crazy poo poo. Overwined posted:One of the strangest things I've seen in the last little while is the slow reveal of how entangled the Green Party may be with this whole thing. It's just loving weird. If there's one thing you could say about Ralph Nader (I mean one good thing) is that he would never pander to corrupting forces. Yea that article about the European Greens telling the US Greens to go gently caress themselves because they're all "Republicans Rule, Democrats Drool!" is really telling. The fact loving Nader is taking that line too is really disturbing. Are we going to find out that Chomsky is getting some scratch from Putin next? I know he's a Tankie but at least he can change his mind when confronted with evidence. His denial of Cambodian Genocide was a real sticking point with me and a friend for years. It also had my friend get yelled at by someone who actually is Cambodian who's family barely got out alive, after he claimed "oh it couldn't have been that bad, it was a CIA stepup anyways". Chomsky did admit he was wrong after seeing the evidence. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ralph Nader actually did a lot of really important things for this country - probably saved more lives than Obamacare ever will with his car safety campaign. Yeah, Nader has always been given short shrift. I saw a documentary about him where they ask him upfront what he thinks about his image as a "spoiler" and his response is eloquent, thoughtful, and pretty drat relevant.
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Grapplejack posted:The US has always been very open to the core ideas of Fascism as a political doctrine. I thought about writing a book on the topic, but I have no idea what i'm doing.
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Pakled posted:Serious question: Assuming this is even possible, how many congresspeople would this actually mean trouble for? Almost all of em are independently wealthy and their congressional pay is comparatively peanuts. But, yeah, it's moot, because that is the living definition of unconstitutional. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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twistedmentat posted:Crazy. I would think a scooter wouldn't be good for home use, but that is a decent measurement of how much mobility someone has. I had to research scooters for my mom and there are indoor ones as well as outdoor. There are also chairs (not necessarily wheelchairs) that you can putter around on at a very slow speed and get in and out of easily.
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Could he threaten Congress' healthcare by taking away/limiting the DoC Small Business Health Options Program via executive order? And use that as leverage to get DeathCare passed?
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twistedmentat posted:Yea that article about the European Greens telling the US Greens to go gently caress themselves because they're all "Republicans Rule, Democrats Drool!" is really telling. The fact loving Nader is taking that line too is really disturbing. Are we going to find out that Chomsky is getting some scratch from Putin next? I know he's a Tankie but at least he can change his mind when confronted with evidence. His denial of Cambodian Genocide was a real sticking point with me and a friend for years. It also had my friend get yelled at by someone who actually is Cambodian who's family barely got out alive, after he claimed "oh it couldn't have been that bad, it was a CIA stepup anyways". Chomsky did admit he was wrong after seeing the evidence. This is pretty far off and a point that Chomsky spoke to quite head on on many occasions during when all of this and East Timor were going down. His point was that American media was paying a hugely disproportionate amount of attention to a genocidal crisis that the US government did not (directly) cause while totally ignoring another atrocity that it had a heavy hand in (East Timor) since the Indonesian invaders were using American arms. He never once "denied Cambodian Genocide". poo poo, Indonesia has killed several orders of magnitude more people and in a much more brutal way than Pol Pot ever dreamed of, but to this day no one gives a poo poo about it and the same party that did all that poo poo still controls the country. It's crass of you to assume he was choosing one life in favor of another when that's exactly what you're doing. What's wrong, don't have any Timorian friends?
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Acid Haze posted:Could he threaten Congress' healthcare by taking away/limiting the DoC Small Business Health Options Program via executive order? And use that as leverage to get DeathCare passed? Possibly temporarily, although Congress could just vote themselves some other form of healthcare if they really got pissed off about it. Like their salaries, it's entirely within their control. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Acid Haze posted:Could he threaten Congress' healthcare by taking away/limiting the DoC Small Business Health Options Program via executive order? And use that as leverage to get DeathCare passed? I would love to see the fallout from Trump removing Congress' healthcare as Senator McCain is undergoing brain cancer surgery and treatment.
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Jul 23, 2017 22:15
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Krispy Kareem posted:I had to research scooters for my mom and there are indoor ones as well as outdoor. There are also chairs (not necessarily wheelchairs) that you can putter around on at a very slow speed and get in and out of easily. That sounds perfect for home use. I'd think most people would not want or be able to completely rearrange their homes to accommodate a scooter. Those scooters are so ubiquitous in the US, I've read that often at Republican events, there are scooter zones for people to park to see the speaker, though these are always conveniently left out of any photos, so I'm not sure this is true or a rumor, or actually something that is just everywhere, because having a place for mobility access is not some crazy thing.
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twistedmentat posted:That sounds perfect for home use. I'd think most people would not want or be able to completely rearrange their homes to accommodate a scooter. The Rascal Rebellion? Armed with the stench of diabetic rot and panniculus?
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mod sassinator posted:I would love to see the fallout from Trump removing Congress' healthcare as Senator McCain is undergoing brain cancer surgery and treatment. Trump would say something about liking the senators without cancer and McCain's wife who's worth 100 million dollars would pay for his surgery.
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Sinteres posted:Trump would say something about liking the senators without cancer and McCain's wife who's worth 100 million dollars would pay for his surgery. Or out of his own $21 mil
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Glioblastoma is the anvil in your golden parachute pack.
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Do it. loving do it. Drive your own party into rebellion, you senile, simpering, obese buffoon. Open the motherfucking Blood Gates.
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