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What's the word on Aleshin? Is he finishing the season?
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Jul 23, 2017 07:54
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Depends how high the cheques bounce.
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Jul 23, 2017 11:45
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Elephant in the room that never gets discussed? There's a "civil war" between NASCAR and IndyCar/USAC that dates back to NASCAR's creation, and it still exists to this day. https://speedsport.com/racing-history/torn-from-the-headlines/bill-france-gets-the-boot-from-indianapolis-garage/ https://churchofthegreatoval.wordpress.com/2006/03/22/nascar-indy-a-cold-war-ends/ I see it pop up while watching the Daytona 500 on twitter, during Indianapolis ("Tintops", "Cab Drivers" are casually thrown about) and The Brickyard 400 especially .
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Jul 24, 2017 02:24
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I killed every Indycar fan I saw today so yeah it's a problem
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Jul 24, 2017 03:16
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History will long remember the day General Sherman burnt Atlanta Motor Speedway to the ground.
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Jul 24, 2017 04:04
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FuzzySkinner posted:Elephant in the room that never gets discussed? Sports tribalism is a huge thing. It's big with teams, obviously, but it will extend to the sports themselves. Look at the NBA vs the NHL for example. Two completely different sports, yet a non-trivial amount of people think the other is dumb. Hell, look at IRL vs CART and there you go, just apply it to stock cars vs open wheel.
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Jul 24, 2017 05:01
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iospace posted:Sports tribalism is a huge thing. It's big with teams, obviously, but it will extend to the sports themselves. Look at the NBA vs the NHL for example. Two completely different sports, yet a non-trivial amount of people think the other is dumb. Hell, look at IRL vs CART and there you go, just apply it to stock cars vs open wheel. I keep remembering Bobby Unser telling Parnelli to not "scare" one of the USAC guys (Joe Leonard?) at Pikes Peak like they did David Pearson because "He's one of OUR guys". It's not like there was a "hatred" among drivers, in fact guys like Foyt, Andretti were really respected in the Cup paddock. But the tribal aspect clearly exists. I noticed this sort of attitude coming from Dale Jarrett and Kyle Petty when talking about Kyle Busch running Indianapolis. They seemed bizarrely protective of Joe Gibbs, and treated IndyCar/Indianapolis as some bizarre "foreign" , "dangerous" land for Cup drivers thus it was better for them to not venture into it. I've gone to Indy races before. When the topic of Cup is brought up? Jokes are made at it's expense. "Tintops", "Cab Drivers", "The races are boring" are pretty consistent things thrown at them. I'm someone who grew up in a household that watched both so that sort of thing was foreign to me up until recently. The tribal aspect certainly exists. I WISH it could be settled on the race track though, because in theory? There could be some fun contests between the two sides.
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Jul 24, 2017 05:20
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iospace posted:Sports tribalism is a huge thing. It's big with teams, obviously, but it will extend to the sports themselves. Look at the NBA vs the NHL for example. Two completely different sports, yet a non-trivial amount of people think the other is dumb. Hell, look at IRL vs CART and there you go, just apply it to stock cars vs open wheel. (Look at the makeup of most NBA players versus most hockey players. Hockey fans and to a lesser extent baseball fans are "at odds" with the NBA for a whooooole ooooother reason) But that sort of tribalism in racing exists everywhere. Happens in Europe with sports cars vs F1 vs touring cars. Happens in Japan sometimes with open wheel vs sports cars, or domestic series vs international ones. It just...happens. I try not to get caught up in it anymore because I just love racing.
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Jul 24, 2017 06:30
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harperdc posted:(Look at the makeup of most NBA players versus most hockey players. Hockey fans and to a lesser extent baseball fans are "at odds" with the NBA for a whooooole ooooother reason) It got heated on my social media feed over it. Pretty much the pattern went "BOY I'M SURE GLAD I FOLLOW INDY. NASCAR LOOKS LIKE A MESS/MAN I DON'T LIKE THE STUPID RULES NASCAR HAS!" ------> "gently caress YOU. YOUR SERIES KILLS IT DRIVERS". I'm confused by that jump. A.) Every series has fatalities including (in the past) NASCAR. B.) Why are you offended at a criticism that I've seen made by NASCAR fans towards NASCAR fans? But that's how extreme I saw a lot of people get who were up in arms about someone not enjoying the particular show that NASCAR put on at IMS.
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Jul 24, 2017 06:44
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harperdc posted:(Look at the makeup of most NBA players versus most hockey players. Hockey fans and to a lesser extent baseball fans are "at odds" with the NBA for a whooooole ooooother reason) gently caress off.
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Jul 24, 2017 06:51
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Joke's on them, they're both dumb.
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Jul 24, 2017 08:53
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Peanut President posted:gently caress off. Tell me I'm wrong. Whole lot of dog whistles happen there. And I think it's the Indianapolis Brickyard race that brings this up the most, specifically Indy v NASCAR. Sports car vs NASCAR seems to have calmed down, especially since the shared owners are treating IMSA right. Only complaints I see from the US is regarding the TV coverage and hopping channels, not boneheaded "NASCAR SUX" stuff.
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Jul 24, 2017 09:17
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A friend of mine who works near IMS was trying to get home last night, but couldn't leave on account of the race letting out at 9ish. I commented that there was a rain delay and some red flags so as to explain. Then people started coming out of the woodwork to complain about NASCAR being a shitshow league for clowns, unlike their pure and good Indycar, which has a proud, rich history of blah blah blah
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Jul 24, 2017 13:23
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harperdc posted:Tell me I'm wrong. Whole lot of dog whistles happen there. there's dogwhistles everywhere if you cock your head and look confused hard enough you know, like an idiot dog does
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Jul 24, 2017 13:42
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ASSCAR. Bwaahahahahah.
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Jul 24, 2017 14:22
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I thought "Tin-Tops" meant any closed-body touring or NASCAR-style car. I didn't realize it was pejorative.
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Jul 24, 2017 14:23
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Reynold posted:Then people started coming out of the woodwork to complain about NASCAR being a shitshow league for clowns, unlike their pure and good Indycar Those people are correct. Please ignore this year's Texas race. But for real, every form of motorsport has some boring races and the occasional race that's totally clownshoes and good drivers and bad drivers and lol if you can't enjoy loud cars going fast just because they aren't "yours."
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Jul 24, 2017 14:31
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Racing is at its best when it's a shitshow for clowns imo
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Jul 24, 2017 15:36
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kidcoelacanth posted:Racing is at its best when it's a shitshow for clowns imo This is why the Macau Grand Prix is the greatest event in all of motorsport.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:40
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All racing is good and cool.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:59
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Hold onto your butts. Or dog whistles. https://twitter.com/indycar/status/889500499770212352
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Jul 24, 2017 16:29
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Reynold posted:A friend of mine who works near IMS was trying to get home last night, but couldn't leave on account of the race letting out at 9ish. I commented that there was a rain delay and some red flags so as to explain. Then people started coming out of the woodwork to complain about NASCAR being a shitshow league for clowns, unlike their pure and good Indycar, which has a proud, rich history of blah blah blah The criticism for cup wasn't really there as much as pre-2008 because IndyCar was dealing with problems relating to the split, relating to the fact that short track fans felt shut out, etc. NASCAR was a behemoth/juggernaut in a vain that Indycar couldn't even try to compete with really even during the their golden years run. Their was also a lot of lovely articles written during that time and afterwards disparaging IndyCar/The Indy 500 while praising NASCAR. Remember when Jeff Gordon became a "thing" and the whole backstory was "He came here cuz IndyCar didn't want him!". That''s kinda what happened. Since then reunification has happened, and the healing has occurred. IndyCar found a way to circle the wagons with it's fanbase with a few exceptions. I think it's kinda people lashing out in that regard for having to deal with the stuff I posted above. Doesn't make it right though. Norns posted:All racing is good and cool. Yeah. I like stock car racing. I almost weep when I've seen what the france family has done to it since 2004 though.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:29
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Every single series does clownshoes poo poo. It's not unique to any autosport
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Jul 24, 2017 16:36
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Feels Villeneuve posted:This is why the Macau Grand Prix is the greatest event in all of motorsport. When the winner of the GT3 race wins on his roof? Checks out. Norns posted:All racing is good and cool.  I love cars that go fast, regardless of how they look or how fast they ultimately go. Bentai posted:Hold onto your butts. Or dog whistles.  FuzzySkinner posted:Yeah. I like stock car racing. I almost weep when I've seen what the france family has done to it since 2004 though. It's crazy how NASCAR is flailing and IMSA decided to go, "Alright, we're killing the DP class, in favor of a factory supported, LMP2 based prototype class," to great success (seriously, Mazda picking up Joest and Honda getting Penske is MASSIVE). NASCAR owns IMSA, so I have no clue other than "IMSA is niche, so we don't need to do much. Just keep the ship upright and we're good" they managed to not gently caress up so hard. NASCAR is the luxury yacht with rocket boosters but now the boosters ran out of fuel and the regular engine is on fire. And they think the solution is to try to light the boosters again. Or something.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:43
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Kill xfinity and Brian France. Invest into Truck and Cup. Seriously, truck is extremely undervalued and almost always better than the other two main series.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:47
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The problem with killing off Xfinity would mean NASCAR would have to acknowledge there's other stock car series other than the Cup, NXS, and Trucks. You go to their website and you don't see anything about K&N unless you go to their Hometracks subsite. When they made it big, they decided to take massive, steaming shits on all the other stock car organizations and act like they were well below them.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:57
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NASCAR admit a problem? Lol here's a new areo package and some sticky poo poo, everything is totally fine now!
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Jul 24, 2017 16:58
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Norns posted:Kill xfinity and Brian France. Invest into Truck and Cup. Seriously, truck is extremely undervalued and almost always better than the other two main series. This. Also NASCAR really needs to focus on their traditional venues and own up to their southern roots. Not in a lovely way (BRANTLEY GILBERT/BLAKE SHELTON/DIERKS BENTLEY! ARE PLAYING PRE-RACE!), but in a genuine not phony way. iospace posted:The problem with killing off Xfinity would mean NASCAR would have to acknowledge there's other stock car series other than the Cup, NXS, and Trucks. You go to their website and you don't see anything about K&N unless you go to their Hometracks subsite. When they made it big, they decided to take massive, steaming shits on all the other stock car organizations and act like they were well below them. Brian France is still  about XFS fwiw.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:59
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While I don't think NASCAR is in danger of a split, it's definitely standing on the threshold of a similar event. The TV bubble is about to burst sports wide as cord-cutting increases, and it honestly feels like NASCAR is the only major US series that is all "Nah, we good" in regards to not thinking streaming is the future. NHRA is small and niche enough that TV isn't a majority of their income (not to say it doesn't help, mind you), same with IMSA. Indy is looking at their streaming and going, "We were getting a lot of people watching even BEFORE Alonso came over, we need a streaming service for our races!" It doesn't help that NASCAR is bleeding fans faster than ever, and more people are starting to crow about empty stands and dropping TV ratings.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:10
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iospace posted:When they made it big, they decided to take massive, steaming shits on all the other stock car organizations and act like they were well below them. So they took classes from the Bernie Ecclestone school of business then?
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Jul 24, 2017 17:20
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Jul 24, 2017 17:23
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"I got it on eBay, is very nice." https://twitter.com/IndyCar/status/889515171357630465 https://twitter.com/IndyCar/status/889531321667727361
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Jul 24, 2017 18:39
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Bentai posted:https://twitter.com/IndyCar/status/889515171357630465 Oh my gods. STOP TEASING US YOU FUCKERS  
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Jul 24, 2017 18:42
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iospace posted:While I don't think NASCAR is in danger of a split, it's definitely standing on the threshold of a similar event. The TV bubble is about to burst sports wide as cord-cutting increases, and it honestly feels like NASCAR is the only major US series that is all "Nah, we good" in regards to not thinking streaming is the future. NHRA is small and niche enough that TV isn't a majority of their income (not to say it doesn't help, mind you), same with IMSA. Indy is looking at their streaming and going, "We were getting a lot of people watching even BEFORE Alonso came over, we need a streaming service for our races!" It doesn't help that NASCAR is bleeding fans faster than ever, and more people are starting to crow about empty stands and dropping TV ratings. They have a very bizarre mindset on quite a few things. "The Daytona 500 wasn't popular in states that weren't the south before 1979". I mean, to the mainstream newspaper crowd I suppose? But stock car racing has been relevant in the northeast, midwest, hell even west coast since it was a "thing". USAC, ARCA, Super DirtCar (sup viking), and ASA were doing pretty well for themselves. I still find the comments made by Kyle Petty and Dale Jarrett about "IndyCar/Indianapolis 500 being a foreign land" very disappointing. I mean guys like Max Papis go between both series, seem happy, seem welcomed in both. I don't understand that mindset.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:43
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Carl "Fuzzy" Van Horn was my dad's favorite driver who sadly passed this week, and he won a fan vote to get a ride at Pocono in a Cup car in 1975, and they held a NASCAR race on the airport by my house in '60 and '61, so yeah. e- poo poo, local legend Frankie Schneider ran the NASCAR modified series and won the title in '52 and had one Grand National win in '58. James Hylton got his start as part of Frankie's crew VikingSkull fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 19:06
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harperdc posted:Tell me I'm wrong. Whole lot of dog whistles happen there. "i dont like the nba because its boring poo poo" "WOW CHECK OUT THIS RACIST ALSO MAKE SURE TO VOTE FOR HILLARY"
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Jul 24, 2017 19:07
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FuzzySkinner posted:They have a very bizarre mindset on quite a few things. As much as everyone hates Kyle Busch, I would have loved to see him him try Double Duty. It's one of the most difficult achievements in motorsports to finish on both lead laps (meaning you did 1100 miles under speed all day) and would definitely help bridge the gap more than meaningless dickwaving over "WHY IS NASCAR AT INDY". Then Joe Gibbs went "lol nah, you're not doing it". Kyle Busch is a dickbag sure, but his boss is worse.
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Jul 24, 2017 19:08
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Peanut President posted:"i dont like the nba because its boring poo poo" also there are zero hot takes going the other way from NBA fans towards the NHL and racing, I'm sure
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