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Älähän nyt, eiköhän Kemperillä ole hyvä pointti tuossa, se on se uupumus, väsymys ja kaiken kaikkiaan julkisesta keskustelusta historian romukoppaan siirtyvä rascismus joka sai ihmiset kaappaamaan puolueen demokraattisissa natsivaaleissa Jyväskylässä, jonka seurauksena kukaan ei enää ikinä äänestä persuja ja kaikki siirtyvät loogisesti kannattamaan sinistä uutta vaihtoehtoa, joka edustaa ????????????????????????????????????????????? poliittista suuntausta. Tämä on järkevä ja looginen ajattelumalli jonka saat haltuusi heti kun kuuntelet varttitunnin Yleisradion lähetystä, ja kaikki siitä poikkeava on viharikos ja vielä pahempaa, aivan vitun LOL pölhöpopulismia. Tiesitkö muuten että a) Timo Soini circa 2015 oli aivan vitun paha ihminen b) kirjoitti gradun 80-luvulla populismista Anteeksi, kutsuin tuossa ylempänä natsi-fascisti-Siitoin-rascisteja ihmisiksi, enköhän minäkin näin ollen pääse ensimmäisenä seinää vasten kun meiän vasemmistomiehet lähtevät rakentamaan uutta uljasta Suomen maata! edit: Toivottavasti tämä kännipostaus on riittävä kilpailemaan dark crawlerin efforttien kanssa 
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I don't understand why they just didn't call the new faction Uuteen Nousuun and be done with it.
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Jul 22, 2017 10:56
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ainoa tapa miten soini saa sen seuran uuteen nousuun on viagran voimin
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Jul 22, 2017 11:35
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Imagine Soini's cocaine and viagra fueled catholic orgies. Simon Elo is the bottom as Timo's corpulent form mounts him while Sampo Terho shoots the action wearing a latex outfit.
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Jul 22, 2017 11:45
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Rappaport posted:edit: Toivottavasti tämä kännipostaus on riittävä kilpailemaan dark crawlerin efforttien kanssa LMAO not even close I can actually understand what you are saying Already drunk as gently caress, let me show you how it's done around like...ten PM?
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Jul 22, 2017 15:06
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Jul 22, 2017 16:40
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Rappaport posted:Älähän nyt, eiköhän Kemperillä ole hyvä pointti tuossa, se on se uupumus, väsymys ja kaiken kaikkiaan julkisesta keskustelusta historian romukoppaan siirtyvä rascismus joka sai ihmiset kaappaamaan puolueen demokraattisissa natsivaaleissa Jyväskylässä, jonka seurauksena kukaan ei enää ikinä äänestä persuja ja kaikki siirtyvät loogisesti kannattamaan sinistä uutta vaihtoehtoa, joka edustaa ????????????????????????????????????????????? poliittista suuntausta. Tämä on järkevä ja looginen ajattelumalli jonka saat haltuusi heti kun kuuntelet varttitunnin Yleisradion lähetystä, ja kaikki siitä poikkeava on viharikos ja vielä pahempaa, aivan vitun LOL pölhöpopulismia. I like that incoherent, obviously drunk ramblings are the perfect copy of your average ligur post.
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Jul 22, 2017 17:54
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olen tarjonnut känni-inspiraation!!
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Jul 22, 2017 18:20
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DarkCrawler posted:LMAO not even close I can actually understand what you are saying Tolerance too high after 3+ daya of drinking, let me try this at midnight?
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Jul 22, 2017 19:06
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DarkCrawler posted:Tolerance too high after 3+ daya of drinking, let me try this at midnight? In the midnight hour babe, she cried more, more, more With a rebel yell, she cried more, more, more
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Jul 22, 2017 19:17
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Let's have a finpol drunk posting night next Friday? Despite being a cool lots-of-friends party-goer, sometimes I have free nights as well.  E: Or today. I'm on holidays!!!
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Jul 23, 2017 15:05
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lmbo if you aren't drunkposting in this garbage thread 24/7
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Jul 23, 2017 15:16
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I don't need booze, I'm drunk on ideology all the time. Re: earlier Greenschat, Touko Aalto proved that he doesn't understand jack poo poo about the actual economy in his recent HS interview. He want to continue selling off national property and state-run businesses because uh I have no loving idea of why anyone would think that's a good idea, considering the amazing successes of Kemira GrowHow, Digita, Caruna and the vehicle inspection service.
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Jul 23, 2017 15:30
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Meillä ei ole muuta vaihtoehtoa
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Jul 23, 2017 15:53
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SnowblindFatal posted:Meillä ei ole muuta vaihtoehtoa hei mä keksin, mehän voitais kokeilla SOSIALISMIA se on mennyt kaikkialla päin vittua ja aiheuttanut pohjatonta taloudellista tuhoa ja inhimillistä kärsimystä vs mikä tahansa muu systeemi (tai romauttanut ennen paremmin toimivia) paitsi ehkä feodalismi, mutta nyt, nyt 51:nen kerta toden sanoo
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Jul 23, 2017 16:37
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Ligur posted:hei mä keksin, mehän voitais kokeilla SOSIALISMIA Mitäs jos koitettais semmoista, hm, kansallista sosialismia edit: Anteeksi, tämä on huono jopa ligur-vitsiksi 
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Jul 23, 2017 17:31
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Suomi on SOSIAALIdemokraattinen hyvinvointivaltio. Elämmekö me pohjattoman tuhon ja kärsimyksen laaksossa?
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Jul 23, 2017 17:55
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Rappaport posted:Mitäs jos koitettais semmoista, hm, kansallista sosialismia niin, mutta se ei ole vitsi, että täällä vilisee postaajia jotka oikeasti haluavat vaihtaa nykyiset länsimaiset (ja muutkin) systeemit sosialismiin/kommunismiin
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Jul 23, 2017 18:22
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doverhog posted:Suomi on SOSIAALIdemokraattinen hyvinvointivaltio. Elämmekö me pohjattoman tuhon ja kärsimyksen laaksossa? Kyllähän siitä usein täällä D&D:n ketjuissa lukee kuinka elämme kapitalistisessa neoliberaalissa helvetissä jossa fasismi se vain vuosi vuodelta vahvistuu, naisten ja homojen oikeksia poljetaan puhumattaan muista vähemmistöistä kuten maahanmuuttajapoloista, joita vainotaan, hakataan ja pahempaa. Oli miten oli se, että Suomi on SOSIAALIdemokraattinen vointivaltio, ei tee Suomesta SOSIALISTISTA sen enempää kuin kansallisSOSIALISTISTA maata.
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Jul 23, 2017 18:29
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National socialism has socialist aspects to it, certainly. It's just welfare for the right type of people. It's just that the whole National was more important and the whole Socialism part ended up being kind of an afterthought in the great scheme of things. The whole belief that the right-left divide is absolute and unbreaking is kind of dumb anyway, unless you are literally a monarchist who believes in the divine right of kings your political beliefs have in one way or other been influenced in one way or other by political movements across the spectrum. Socialism and socialist ideas have had much to do with Finland's success. So has capitalism and capitalist ideas. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 19:35
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Has ligur finally joined kok or is he just pretending that every possible permutation of socialism is literally Stalin in order to defend an indefesible status quo for some other dumbass reason?
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Jul 23, 2017 19:38
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Ligur hasn't really come across as a Kokoomuslainen. He has been very open about them being assholes.
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Jul 23, 2017 19:41
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Cocks loves them some brown penis, nothing would make them happier than being able to import bunch of foreigners that work for literally pennies and help break the unions. So ask yourself, does Ligur hate brown people or communists more?
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I will never vote for Cock or LA, that's for sure.
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Jul 23, 2017 20:31
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LA doesn't advocate communism. A concrete proposal of theirs is a 10 € minimum wage. Stalin would be proud. 
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doverhog posted:LA doesn't advocate communism. A concrete proposal of theirs is a 10 € minimum wage. Stalin would be proud. OH REALLY, THEY DON'T? And doesn't the actual communist party in Finland get roughly ~1% of the vote every year or less  edit: Cerebral Bore posted:Has ligur finally joined kok or is he just pretending that every possible permutation of socialism is literally Stalin in order to defend an indefesible status quo for some other dumbass reason? This is weird bullshit, I don't think every permutation of socialism is Stalin, or the Khmer Rouge, Shining Path, Mao's preferred way, DRV, DDR, East-European satellites, North-Korean family of benevolent rulers, Robert Mugabe, current Venezuela post Chaves or the rest of that. (All of these turned things for the worse though.) It's just that Nordic countries have never been socialist and never were and have nothing to do with the above. I like the The Nordic Model of Social Democracy and think it's the best model for a society of more than 150 people ever achieved up to now. Thumbs of for Nordic sosiaalidemokratia! Ligur fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 21:36
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DarkCrawler posted:National socialism has socialist aspects to it, certainly. It's just welfare for the right type of people. It's just that the whole National was more important and the whole Socialism part ended up being kind of an afterthought in the great scheme of things. The whole belief that the right-left divide is absolute and unbreaking is kind of dumb anyway, unless you are literally a monarchist who believes in the divine right of kings your political beliefs have in one way or other been influenced in one way or other by political movements across the spectrum. Many good points in this post I can agree with, like the right-left absolute being some unbreaking glaargh blaargh and is dumb, but Finland (or any Nordic nations) have never been ~socialist~. But social democracy is a completely different beast compared to socialism, like national socialism is not socialism either, they had a different handle to business and economy (they were all for privatization).
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DarkCrawler posted:
Täysin vailla ironiaa, vaikka olemmekin D&Dssä, sama
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Some people still patently refuse (not fail, literally refuse) to understand that social democracy is good. A lot of them are in charge of SDP.
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So what, exactly, is socialist about Finland? High taxes are not socialism, neither is good infra paid for by high taxes (built mostly by the private sector). Wealth redistribution into social services, healthcare and pensions is socialistish, but Nordic countries really didnt's starte redistributing wealth like today until they were very rich and very succesful by most meters. All the Nordic countries are market economies, and traditionally had little government intervention in that regard. Business was and is largely owned privately, so are the means of production instead the government or community. Resources, I quote, are allocated to their respective uses by the market, not government or community planning. This all is not very socialist, but quite capitalist.
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Ligur posted:So what, exactly, is socialist about Finland? Nothing. Why the gently caress would anyone even ask such an idiotic thing when the answer is glaringly, painfully, Kepupettäingly obvious??
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Hmmm, while business in Finland is owned by private individuals the government is trying to regulate everything much to the detriment of those who wish to start one, with apparently the goal that no new business is created ever again because virasto ja virkamies kieltää. Perhaps this is the great socialism people speak of as it adds an element of centralized planning to stiffle the economy? (Oli hieman ironiaa, edellinen postaus ei tosin.)Jerry Cotton posted:Nothing. Why the gently caress would anyone even ask such an idiotic thing when the answer is glaringly, painfully, Kepupettäingly obvious?? B'cuz dozens or hundreds or millions of posters in D&D, you know, think we're socialist and I was hoping they would tell me!!!1 Folks in EuroPol got really angry about a nazi like me trying to explain Nordic countries are not socialist and I have a whiff of the same here. I agree with you though. Ligur fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 10:21
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Calling everything even slightly to the left socialism is probably just an american thing that has been imported here.
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Andrast posted:Calling everything even slightly to the left socialism is probably just an american thing that has been imported here. Yeah like calling liberalism libertarianism and calling hard right-wing parties like The Democratic Party liberals  e: Actually the latter hasn't been imported here because we have the word viher-vasemmistolainen spelled without the hyphen used by sick people to describe anyone who isn't literally Jussi Halla-Aho. ee: Oh apparently they changed the hyphen rules since I graduated school. It's evankelisluterilainen and vihervasemmistolainen now. Next they'll be spelling binääri and vulgääri with As or something ludicrous like that. 3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Andrast posted:Calling everything even slightly to the left socialism is probably just an american thing that has been imported here. Not many years ago calling everything slightly left of Lenin was "right-wing" and any system that wasn't 100% communist to use a bit of an hyperbole, was harped as "not-real-socialsm" kinda like none of the left-wing parties in Europe are qualified to be real left-wingers by D&D poster idealists (and funny trolls like Jerry above). Hmph. If you point to an European left-wing party, it's never really left-wing, if you point to a catastrophe like Venezuela, it's "not really socialsm" and "I would do it better" like the innostuneet nuoret sosialistit like to say, but if you point to a high tax welfare and market economy state like Denmark that suddenly becomes and example of socialist awesomeness - except when Danish left-wing posters talk about their (most happy on earth) country when it suddenly becomes a racist hellhole of neoliberal massacre death. The goalposts move so fast I can never keep up 
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Ligur posted:Not many years ago calling everything slightly left of Lenin was "right-wing" and any system that wasn't 100% communist to use a bit of an hyperbole, was harped as "not-real-socialsm" kinda like none of the left-wing parties in Europe are qualified to be real left-wingers by D&D poster idealists (and funny trolls like Jerry above). I mean, can you really call the equivalents of SDP left?
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Andrast posted:I mean, can you really call the equivalents of SDP left? Perhaps "socially democratic party for pensioners and unions" or SDPPU. But I meant more in general after a decade of D&D out of morbiidi mielenkiinto of festering corpse pus.
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Ligur posted:So what, exactly, is socialist about Finland? Every time Kekkonen went to Russia and got Finnish vuorineuvokset sweet, sweet Russian oil money and business? 
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quote:Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to the revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism.[6] In the early post-war era in Western Europe, social democratic parties rejected the Stalinist political and economic model then current in the Soviet Union, committing themselves either to an alternate path to socialism or to a compromise between capitalism and socialism. Social democracy is still a socialist ideology with origins in socialism, just like it is a democratic ideology with origins in republicanism/parlamentiarism etc. To say that it has nothing to do with socialism is ludicrous. It's just an amalgam of that and other things. Once again some people just have problem with the fact that real world can't be neatly organized into boxes of black and white. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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