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business hammocks posted:It looked like he only had a few ships. The one he left on seemed like it was the only one left. Ramsay sent him a couple good ships
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The episode spent more time on jorah's oozing pus than on the final battle, which honestly felt pretty rushed and very badly directed, with those dumb fast cuts that barely allow you to understand what the gently caress is going on. That said we are finally getting rid of the most annoying actresses tv has ever seen: the sand snakes. Here's to hoping Euron actually kills them all superhard. Dorne really is the worst house.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:23
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Jul 24, 2017 17:25
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Drogon gonna die. I felt that was foreshadowed very hard. Dany will eventually surround kings landing and have a parlay with Cersei or her representative. Dany will have Drogon there as intimidation because that's what she has always done in these situations and BAM Ballista head shot out of no where. Or they kill one of the other dragons, and Drogon and Dany lose their poo poo and proceed to raze kings landing to the ground.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:27
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This was not my favorite episode but I guess it was mostly okay? The wolf thing was beyond stupid and I don't know why it was there or who it was for. It felt like the worst parts of the Star Wars prequels or the cameo by the Walrus Guy and his buddy in Rogue One; just a thoroughly pointless cameo for the producers to wink at the audience and be 'hey remember this?' Possibly it's a side effect of the TV budget but I don't really feel like any of the wolves including Ghost (the one who was around the longest) really ever had anything approaching a personality or character so seeing Nymeria again after six years was not something I was clamoring for. Varys rules and his scene with Dany was the best part of the episode for me. He's the character I've been rooting for the longest on the show since, like he said, he honestly does seem to be in it for the greater good of the people (though Dany makes a very good point that in the early parts of season one where he's conspiring against Robert to put her brother on the throne he was trying to get Robert off the throne for the awful crime of being a kind of inattentive ruler -- people weren't starving or being slaughtered in five or six simultaneous wars under Robert so...). The ocean battle was alright, I guess, if you're into that kind of thing. Asha has to be an absolute poo poo captain though if she let Euron's ships get to within ramming distance of them, even at night, without someone spotting them as they sailed closer. I'm an age of sail nerd, though, so the goofiness of GoT ship stuff has always bugged me and this was just the very worst example.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:28
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Euron's fleet going dark, along with the terrible light discipline on Yara's fleet provided a huge tactical advantage. Yara's fleet lookouts would have been practically useless due to nightblindness. This coupled with the fact that both fleets used the same hull designed made it easy to infiltrate. Clearly Yara was not expecting trouble, and Euron took advantage of her recklessness.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:38
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Golli posted:Euron's fleet going dark, along with the terrible light discipline on Yara's fleet provided a huge tactical advantage. Was she even aware that Euron had a fleet, much less it was in the area?
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Jul 24, 2017 17:45
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NorgLyle posted:This was not my favorite episode but I guess it was mostly okay? Did you not notice that Euron had fog and a storm following his ship around
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Jul 24, 2017 17:47
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NorgLyle posted:The ocean battle was alright, I guess, if you're into that kind of thing. Asha has to be an absolute poo poo captain though if she let Euron's ships get to within ramming distance of them, even at night, without someone spotting them as they sailed closer. I'm an age of sail nerd, though, so the goofiness of GoT ship stuff has always bugged me and this was just the very worst example. Same. I understand movies like to do that thing where a guy is in the middle of a street at night in complete silence but somehow he doesn't see or hear the attacker coming (because the whole time we were watching a close-up of his dumb face) and gets stabbed or whatever. But this is the loving open sea and the House whose only reason to be in the books/tv show is to literally be the best at naval warfare. Like they are boring and poo poo at everything else and lose every war, at least they're good at fighting with ships? No? Oh well. EDIT: unless Euron used magic, in which case I suppose it's ok as long as all the sand snakes are dead and maybe removed from the blurays as well
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Jul 24, 2017 17:50
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This was a fight between two fleets from the same kingdom, so skill levels were probably a wash. It just turns out that Yara was a poo poo fleet commander, and decided to transit like a convoy of cruise ships instead of on a wartime preparedness level. Euron may have been using magic, but I think he would have stomped them regardless.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:55
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Like drat did you guys not see the suspect fog and rain-less lightning storm that Euron just happened to appear out of and ended as soon as the battle was over
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Jul 24, 2017 17:57
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Grant DaNasty posted:Every time I see him he reminds me of Kano from the Mortal Kombat movie. He needs a bionic eye. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I've been getting serious Kano vibes from him every time he's on screen. And let's be honest here, Kano would absolutely be doing the same poo poo if he found himself in Westeros. 
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Wandle Cax posted:Awesome lets now have 10 pages of essays arguing about the tactical realism of a fight on a burning boat in a fantasy dragon show. Christ I hate people who don't understand the idea of internal consistency. Hurr Durr its Harry Potter its magic so that means there can't be plot holes! Grant DaNasty posted:Every time I see him he reminds me of Kano from the Mortal Kombat movie. He needs a bionic eye. Same! Euron's actor is not a good actor but he can at least chew scenery with style.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:00
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Phi230 posted:Like drat did you guys not see the suspect fog and rain-less lightning storm that Euron just happened to appear out of and ended as soon as the battle was over can that magic also erase our memories of the sand snakes and their terrible lines
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Jul 24, 2017 18:00
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First it's an obvious chookepoint how can he not find her, now it's the open sea, how could he find her Where is my tactical realism. This is almost as bad as that episode where Jory says longswords are for piercing armour. WRONG
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Jul 24, 2017 18:01
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:You don't see it but he jumps slightly just before it hits, eliminating all damage Hardcore parkour
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Jul 24, 2017 18:03
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Phi230 posted:Did you not notice that Euron had fog and a storm following his ship around Obviously, post Trafalgar, the British Navy was largely unchallenged in the open seas and throughout the European coasts but you still treated the potential of a Spanish or French ship coming upon you and getting in position to rake as a serious thing. If you were in command of a squadron, you positioned your ships in such a way that any captain who spotted the enemy (or was surprised by a sudden appearance and attack) could easily alert the rest of the squadron and you could move to position to repel them, defend yourselves or escape the engagement as appropriate. If a full squadron of enemy ships could get within musket shot of all of your ships at once... I mean... it's unprecedentedly terrible command. Like Ambrose Burnside is somewhere wiping his sweaty brow and thanking the writers of Game of Thrones for finally bumping him down a spot or two on the Worst At His Job ranking. EDIT: It's not a show about the Navy so it's absolutely not a huge deal. It's just something that tweaked me about the episode and made our characters all look stupid if you were looking at it from the perspective of naval tactics. It's not about that though so 'Characters Get Into Battle And Are Defeated By Bad Guy' is fine from a story point of view. It was just silly to watch the ships start ramming each other and dropping gangplanks like eleven seconds after the first sign of engagement. NorgLyle fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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So were Dorne and Highgarden's armies on the boats that Euron attacked, or were they just on the way to pick them up?
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Jul 24, 2017 18:06
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General Dog posted:So were Dorne and Highgarden's armies on the boats that Euron attacked, or were they just on the way to pick them up? Pretty sure they were going to pick them up, but Dorne's at least is going to be off the table if their sovereign is being held in King's Landing.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:09
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I was wondering what kind of gift Euron could give Cersei, but "the woman who killed your daughter, and her daughter" is a drat good gift. Looking forward to Cersei torturing the last two Dornish characters to death
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U-DO Burger posted:I was wondering what kind of gift Euron could give Cersei, but "the woman who killed your daughter, and her daughter" is a drat good gift. Looking forward to Cersei torturing the last two Dornish characters to death Shoot em with the ballista
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NorgLyle posted:This was not my favorite episode but I guess it was mostly okay? It's been established that Nymeria has been out in that region since going missing way back in S1. This is the first time since then that Arya has been back in that area (and in the woods) so it makes total sense to me that Nymeria would pick up her scent and drop in. Also, while I get where you're coming from with your indifference to the Dire Wolves, they are massively popular with a lot of fans so it's not surprising that they brought her back.
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zoux posted:Pretty sure they were going to pick them up, but Dorne's at least is going to be off the table if their sovereign is being held in King's Landing. Similarly, I've never quite understood how Roose Bolton ended up consolidating the armies of the North after the Red Wedding. Even if people didn't know he had a hand in it, the other houses were all fired up to fight the Lannisters and support the King in the North but now that Rob is dead well we'll just go ahead and bend the knee to the same King we were in open revolt against a week ago and fight his enemies for this guy who was mysteriously not murdered along with all the other people (including our own family members) at the Twins.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:16
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In the books there are rumors that a Direwolf is leading a pack of wolves hundreds strong destroying villages and poo poo but lol ofc the show drives that into the ground
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Jul 24, 2017 18:17
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NorgLyle posted:The way armies work in GoT has never made a whole lot of sense to me. In Dorne, the Sand Snakes assassinated Prince Dr Bashir and took over, I guess, and this gave them command of the Dornish houses... somehow. Off-camera, possibly, we're supposed to assume that the Dornish weren't happy with his rule and would have liked Oberyn in charge and so they jumped on board when his lover killed the prince and took over? I'm not sure. Fear. And obviously it wasn't that effective a tactic since several of the houses ended up betraying him in the Battle of the Bastards.
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NorgLyle posted:Varys rules and his scene with Dany was the best part of the episode for me. He's the character I've been rooting for the longest on the show since, like he said, he honestly does seem to be in it for the greater good of the people (though Dany makes a very good point that in the early parts of season one where he's conspiring against Robert to put her brother on the throne he was trying to get Robert off the throne for the awful crime of being a kind of inattentive ruler -- people weren't starving or being slaughtered in five or six simultaneous wars under Robert so...). No one was dying yet but they would be. Robert had drunk and partied the kingdom into massive debt, even without the wars that followed his death the kingdoms were in bad shape for the coming winter. Not that Viserys on the throne could change anything about that. I think Varys was just playing the long game and hoping Viserys would swoop in the spring after the winter and conquer an already weakened Westeros.
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Phi230 posted:In the books there are rumors that a Direwolf is leading a pack of wolves hundreds strong destroying villages and poo poo but lol ofc the show drives that into the ground That scene counts as driving it into the ground?
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zoux posted:Pretty sure they were going to pick them up, but Dorne's at least is going to be off the table if their sovereign is being held in King's Landing. Seems like her legitimacy as ruler would be controversial in Dorne anyway since she's just some prince's ex GF who murdered the rightful royal line and- oh yeah, Dorne is literally like four people, I forgot.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:20
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Magic? Hmmm. This is basically george rr martin: medieval chronicles where the Lannisters are French, the Starks are something between Scandinavia and England, Dorne is Spain, King's Landing is maybe a lovely version of Rome, and all the eastern lands are basically Asia/Middle East depicted in a non-aggressively racist way most of the times, which is the best Martin could do it seems. You can barely consider it fantasy, it's our world with different names and a lot of zombies in the north. There's gently caress all magic in Westeros except when Martin/the show need it to give plot armor to someone or get out of creative dead ends (like Jon Snow's death), or make the sloppiest naval warfare scenes like the one we just watched. Also did someone's carotid artery exploded out of nowhere in the first few seconds of the battle? That looked hilarious because I was watching the episode with some friends and no one realized what the gently caress happened, it was like Greengrass directing a Bourne movie but even shittier somehow.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:21
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NorgLyle posted:That's... actually more reason that they should have been aware of it? I mean unless you think 'Captain, there's a storm coming up on us from the East' 'Eh, don't worry about it' is something that gets said a lot onboard ship. I'm not saying they'd be cleared for action and bombarding him with their own... whatever ship board weapons they actually use in Westeros... but yes I'm saying it was pretty much absurd that the captain was below deck entertaining guests with her ship lit up like they were on a pleasure cruise for the fourth of July and no watch set or any thought to formation while they were ostensibly on a fairly important military manuver through waters owned by the enemy. U.S. warship crew found likely at fault in June collision: official
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:No one was dying yet but they would be. Robert had drunk and partied the kingdom into massive debt, even without the wars that followed his death the kingdoms were in bad shape for the coming winter.
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this is trump's america though, sorry but this proves nothing
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Yeah, I was saying it makes them look hilariously incompetent. Not that it never ever could happen.
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Yes a modern warship with radar, sonar and satellite resources was snuck up on by a cargo ship the size of a small city.
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NorgLyle posted:The wolf thing was beyond stupid and I don't know why it was there or who it was for. It felt like the worst parts of the Star Wars prequels or the cameo by the Walrus Guy and his buddy in Rogue One; just a thoroughly pointless cameo for the producers to wink at the audience and be 'hey remember this?' Possibly it's a side effect of the TV budget but I don't really feel like any of the wolves including Ghost (the one who was around the longest) really ever had anything approaching a personality or character so seeing Nymeria again after six years was not something I was clamoring for. NorgLyle posted:The way armies work in GoT has never made a whole lot of sense to me. In Dorne, the Sand Snakes assassinated Prince Dr Bashir and took over, I guess, and this gave them command of the Dornish houses... somehow. Off-camera, possibly, we're supposed to assume that the Dornish weren't happy with his rule and would have liked Oberyn in charge and so they jumped on board when his lover killed the prince and took over? I'm not sure. NorgLyle posted:Similarly, I've never quite understood how Roose Bolton ended up consolidating the armies of the North after the Red Wedding. Even if people didn't know he had a hand in it, the other houses were all fired up to fight the Lannisters and support the King in the North but now that Rob is dead well we'll just go ahead and bend the knee to the same King we were in open revolt against a week ago and fight his enemies for this guy who was mysteriously not murdered along with all the other people (including our own family members) at the Twins.
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Kawabata posted:Magic? Hmmm. Naw one of the biggest themes in the story is that magic has been dead and intentionally suppressed for a while, and it's slowly coming back into the world now and all this crazy poo poo is happening that nobody living has seen before. It's fantasy Europe that used to have magic, hasn't for a while, and is getting it again. And we are supposed to believe that there's all kinds of weird, maybe real maybe not, magic stuff in the "far east" where Euron went for a while.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:30
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No magic except the dragons and the infinite army of the dead in the north.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:32
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Jul 24, 2017 18:39
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Can anyone explain to me how a fleet of 1,000 sheets sailed from the Iron Islands to King's Landing? Like I'm looking at a map of Westeros and all I can think is "did they sail all the way around the coast of Dorne and then ambush the Dornish leader in Dornish waters without anyone in Dorne noticing?" and it's bugging the hell out of me. Did they take a Panama Canal-esque shortcut somewhere?
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