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SomeMathGuy posted:Of course, the flip side is that Kira frequently seemed like the only reasonable Bajoran in the room. Maybe Bareil on a good day and look where that got him. A big part of that is that Kira's looking at her homeworld after fighting a brutal war and so many people who seem willing to throw all that away for personal gain. (see Winn) She's in an utterly frustrating position overall, and has pretty big PTSD, it's no surprise she's angry.
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Inescapable Duck posted:(see Winn) gently caress though, DS9 had some of the most well-written antagonists in all of Trek.
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Drone posted:gently caress though, DS9 had some of the most well-written antagonists in all of Trek. We just watched the one where Winn is working with Bareil on the Cardassian peace treaty, and I kinda... didn't hate her, for the first time. Like she actually seemed pretty genuine and sympathetic for once. I was even thinking as Bashir was berating her, what the hell is he doing, trying to push her back into the old Winn? I was legit angry at him in that one, and not her.
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Cojawfee posted:Whoops, wrong bajoran. The character of Kira was only created because Michelle Forbes turned down the offer to be Ro on DS9. If you imagine Ro in the place of Kira for all seven years of DS9 it works just fine. turn left hillary!! noo posted:We just watched the one where Winn is working with Bareil on the Cardassian peace treaty, and I kinda... didn't hate her, for the first time. Like she actually seemed pretty genuine and sympathetic for once. Louise Fletcher was so sick during the filming of that episode that the producers felt guilty for calling her in to work. Ira Behr said, "we would look at her and say, 'Jesus, she has no business being up. She should be in bed.'" All her lines had to be redubbed in ADR because she had laryngitis.
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I was just doing a bit of wikisurfing and came across the World Uyghur Congress, an organization dedicated to serving the people in and from the East Turkistan region of China. The tiny website version of their logo reminded me of something so I zoomed and enhanced: Hmm, seems a bit familiar...  (1933 is the year they first established freedom from the Chinese, the WUC was formed in 2004.)
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Jul 24, 2017 18:29
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Winn was a great villain because she wanted what was best for everyone as long as she was in charge and wasn't willing to compromise on that condition one bit. It's a classic archetype.
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Arglebargle III posted:Winn was a great villain because she wanted what was best for everyone as long as she was in charge and wasn't willing to compromise on that condition one bit. It's a classic archetype. I remember during the election there were a few "Hillary as Kai Winn" photoshops made and they were all amazing.
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bull3964 posted:I would say 'over designed' seems like an appropriate criticism for what we've seen if Discovery so far. Yeah, when I see them gushing over how they made costume parts out of hundreds of tiny little Starfleet insignia, and they had to fly some guy out from Switzerland for their super-fancy thread or whatever, it just seems grossly indulgent. (The whole thing with sprinkling that goddamn arrowhead absolutely everywhere really irritates me, for some reason.) bull3964 posted:The video bitrate is too low and 720p only, the audio is only two channel, and the audio bitrate is also way too low which makes it sound like a late 90s MP3. Someone needs to tell CBS that split seasons went out of style with Battlestar Galactica and LOST. Also holy poo poo, 720p only and bad quality as well?
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McSpanky posted:I was just doing a bit of wikisurfing and came across the World Uyghur Congress, an organization dedicated to serving the people in and from the East Turkistan region of China. The tiny website version of their logo reminded me of something so I zoomed and enhanced: Right, they're both referencing the United Nations logo. 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah, when I see them gushing over how they made costume parts out of hundreds of tiny little Starfleet insignia, and they had to fly some guy out from Switzerland for their super-fancy thread or whatever, it just seems grossly indulgent. Meanwhile the pirates will be enjoying 1080p Web-DL copies sourced from Netflix
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Sir Kodiak posted:Right, they're both referencing the United Nations logo.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Is the starfield in the Federation logo supposed to represent any stars in particular, or is it just a random design? I think it's supposed to represent Earth, Vulcan, and Andoria, who founded the Federation.
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I'm about to blow y'all's minds with the China National Space Administration's for-real logo:
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MisterBibs posted:I think it's supposed to represent Earth, Vulcan, and Andoria, who founded the Federation. Everyone always forgets the Tellarites.
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Pakled posted:Everyone always forgets the Tellarites. I remembered them (  ) and checked Memory Alpha and would've edited it if I was wrong. Evidently it's said to be those three in an episode of Enterprise.
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Drone posted:I'm about to blow y'all's minds with the China National Space Administration's for-real logo: The hilarious thing is that everyone uses a chevron like that because NASA did, and that shape on the NASA insignia represents an airplane. 
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Sir Kodiak posted:Right, they're both referencing the United Nations logo. 
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bull3964 posted:I would say 'over designed' seems like an appropriate criticism for what we've seen if Discovery so far. That reminds something someone else on the Internet wrote about Discovery's production design that chimes with most of what I've seen of the show. quote:Discovery's production design, however, is overall a chaotic blend of styles that don't fit together. Communicator, tricorder, phasers: TOS retro style. Starfleet bridges: Abramsverse. Discovery exterior: based on a sketch discarded for good reasons 40 years ago. Shenzhou exterior: 24th century. Shenzhou transporter: steampunk. Klingon ship: Gothic cathedral. Klingon costumes and props: ridiculously overdesigned. Klingon species: anything but Klingon.
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I definitely agree about the Shenzhou; it doesn't feel like an evolution from the NX class at all, but rather something you would have seen in later DS9 or the TNG movies. It has all the hallmarks of an Eaves design.
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I didn't examine it closely, but I'll admit the Shenzhou looked cool as hell when I briefly saw it, but hooooo boy does it not look like it fits in style-wise. It could be docked next to the dang Prometheus and no one would bat an eye
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Drone posted:I'm about to blow y'all's minds with the China National Space Administration's for-real logo: 
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Timby posted:It has all the hallmarks of an Eaves design. Will we never escape this man's terror!
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WampaLord posted:I remember during the election there were a few "Hillary as Kai Winn" photoshops made and they were all amazing. So the election was between Kai Winn and Grand Nagus Zek. What a world we live in.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:So the election was between Kai Winn and Grand Nagus Zek. What a world we live in. No, Paul Ryan is Zek. Trump is...did the Pakled leader have a name?
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WampaLord posted:No, Paul Ryan is Zek. Grebnedlog, according to memory alpha.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:So the election was between Kai Winn and Grand Nagus Zek. What a world we live in. brunt is a better analogy imo
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Brunt was at least somewhat competent.
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More like Harry Mudd who pulled off the ultimate con.
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Zek had character growth and ended up embracing feminism and handing over control of the alliance to a union organizer. Zek is good.
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TheScott2K posted:Meanwhile the pirates will be enjoying 1080p Web-DL copies sourced from Netflix Likely 4k actually. I would be very surprised if the Netflix release is not 4k at this point and it's very likely this show has a 4k workflow. That's the thing that makes me burning mad. This could look FANTASTIC even if it falls on other levels, but the country of origin is going to get shafted with a worse copy with no ability to get better. This has happened before. The Expanse is available in 4k when streaming. American Gods was available in Amazon Prime in 4k in other countries while we had to make due with a (admittedly great looking) 1080p version. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Pakled posted:Grebnedlog, according to memory alpha. Ronald D Moore or someone must have had a friend called Goldenberg that he hated lol Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Samaritan Snare was season 2, prior to Ron Moore joining the show. I'm not angry with myself, I'm just disappointed WeAreTheRomans fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Ronald D Moore or someone must have had a friend called Goldenberg that he hated lol Samaritan Snare was season 2, prior to Ron Moore joining the show.
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Tangentially related: this is the baseball cap I had custom made when I couldn't find a Star Trek cap I liked anywhere.  It's a little  because I guess the embroidery machine at the hat place isn't that great or maybe the guy operating it jiggled it mid-stitch or something but I like it and people recognize it.
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The gold and blue reminds of seaQuest DSV a little, but I'm gonna be a little weird here and say that I think I like your cap a bit more because it's imperfectly embroidered and not some sterile logo with perfectly-rendered lines.
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Nobody has actually ever come out and said "your emblem is a little wonky, isn't it?" to me but if they do I'm going to say, "transporter glitch. I don't really like to talk about it."
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shadok posted:Nobody has actually ever come out and said "your emblem is a little wonky, isn't it?" to me but if they do I'm going to say, "transporter glitch. I don't really like to talk about it." You're just waiting for that poo poo to happen
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shadok posted:Tangentially related: this is the baseball cap I had custom made when I couldn't find a Star Trek cap I liked anywhere. I'd love a good Niners hat, but the only ones I've seen are really poo poo.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I'd love a good Niners hat, but the only ones I've seen are really poo poo. This. Me and my friends have been looking for one of the same quality as in the episode and it's impossible, just garbage quality ones.
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Baronjutter posted:This. Me and my friends have been looking for one of the same quality as in the episode and it's impossible, just garbage quality ones. I'd happily pay $100 if I could just send a blank fitted cap somewhere and have them do the custom stitching but I can't find anyone who does that.
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