|
Vox Nihili posted:CC is intentionally conflating the fact that Sanders introduced a piece of legislation with the launch of a big new messaging campaign by the Dems. The contrast, of course, is that Sanders' messaging isn't limited or even focused on this single piece of legislation. It's apples to oranges. Wait wait wait. Wait. You're telling me that Concerned Citizen is conflating similar looking but actually distinct things in the service of mealy-mouthed centrist lanyardry? You're blowing my mind, man.
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 19:45 |
|
|
My favorite part of the Pelosi platform is "tax credits for businesses, NOT special interests." Lmao.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:33
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:Raise taxes on the rich and the corporations The Democratic party isn't going to grow the government, or move left or right on the political spectrum, friend.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:35
|
|
|
Vox Nihili posted:CC is intentionally conflating the fact that Sanders introduced a piece of legislation with the launch of a big new messaging campaign by the Dems. The contrast, of course, is that Sanders' messaging isn't limited or even focused on this single piece of legislation. It's apples to oranges. if you want to argue that it is not sufficiently broad or exciting as the first item to be rolled out for the jobs portion of the proposal, i would agree. if you want to argue that it's a pile of centrist lanyard garbage, well, i guess blame bernie for it since he wrote it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:35
|
|
|
The fact that it's the first phase of the policy rollout indicates a certain element of primacy.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:36
|
|
|
Rastor posted:CC was just joking right? He does not think this proposal is good for real? he does, and they're craptacular!
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:36
|
|
|
Vox Nihili posted:My favorite part of the Pelosi platform is "tax credits for businesses, NOT special interests." Lmao. A platform of helping out actual mom & pop businesses wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, as much as it would piss off a lot of leftists (with some legitimate reason). But lol if anyone believes it won't be tax breaks for "small" businesses with millions of venture capital.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
There are SOOO many simple policy points that Dems could be hogging right now: - Amazon wants to gobble everything up? Tax the ever-living gently caress out of them - Pharma wants to raise prices? Price controls, freeze prices, nationalize the poo poo - WALMART IS COMMITTING WAGE THEFT, EAT THE loving WALTONS YOU MORONS
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
Hillary Clinton owned slaves.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:The fact that it's the first phase of the policy rollout indicates a certain element of primacy. ehh yes and no you don't want to lead with your best stuff and then have everyone trail off and lose interest as you server up smaller burgs you want to lead with an appetizer before serving up the main course we'll see in a week or so I guess
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:Raise taxes on the rich and the corporations hmm but have you considered tax credits for "small" business owners?
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:ehh yes and no yeah but you don't lead with your worst either or no-one sticks around that this is the best they can pull people in with does not bode well at all
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:38
|
|
|
The fact we are in day what 5? of the roll out of this lovely slogan/platform and even the bootlickers I know aren't defending it shows that it's probably dead in the water
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:39
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:ehh yes and no You want to both lead and end with your best stuff, because the first and last parts are the ones people are most likely to remember.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:39
|
|
|
What would you all propose the Democrats should do right now with the resources they have?
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:39
|
|
|
that they think our already undertaxed businesses need more tax cuts should scare you senseless not even democrats, the supposedly responsible party, is in favor for responsible taxation
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:40
|
|
|
Concerned Citizen posted:i guess blame bernie for it since he wrote it. You've been posting this same sentiment for months now dude.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:40
|
|
|
lol tho that nancy is from one of the most liberal states in the union and shes to the right of loving chuck schumer
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:41
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:The fact we are in day what 5? of the roll out of this lovely slogan/platform and even the bootlickers I know aren't defending it shows that it's probably dead in the water I don't think it's as lovely as some people in here do but it is still remarkably limp why are the democrats afraid of being bold?
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:41
|
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:What would you all propose the Democrats should do right now with the resources they have? As a party out of power they don't really have any resources, which means they could practically promise anything - yet they're still underbidding.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:42
|
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:What would you all propose the Democrats should do right now with the resources they have? Yell "MEDICARE FOR ALL!" on MSNBC and WaPo. Roll out some ads where they yell "MEDICARE FOR ALL!" at a sad-looking Mitch McConnell.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:42
|
|
|
punk rebel ecks posted:What would you all propose the Democrats should do right now with the resources they have? Aggressively campaign for free college, single payer, and universal minimum (or basic) income. If asked how to fund it answer "tax the rich of course" I may sound like a broken record posting this buuuuut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSTQwamo8M
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:43
|
|
|
The bottom line here is this: Can anybody say they think this is going to change the perception that Democrats don't stand for anything and are only anti-Trump? This can't possibly do that. There is no game changing headline here. Changing that perception was the point.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:43
|
|
|
"Every Man a King" is a highly problematic phrase because it acknowledges and thus endorses the notion of power dynamics ("king" vs "ruled"), a topic that is inherently gendered and thus sexual
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:43
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:lol tho that nancy is from one of the most liberal states in the union and shes to the right of loving chuck schumer like you know that she really believes in this cause she could announce support for mandatory gay marriage and be fine.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:43
|
|
|
Concerned Citizen posted:it's the exact same proposal, not "kinda similar." the party literally took a bill bernie was writing and made it one of the centerpieces of their better deal what, did they get their hands on a time machine or something? it's literally an Obama program, one which ran from at least 2009-2012, if not longer spoiler alert: it was an enormous failure, just like decades worth of previous government summer-jobs programs
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:45
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:I don't think it's as lovely as some people in here do but it is still remarkably limp Not to sound like the gorilla cum man but the democrats have a big "mindset" problem where they cannot conceive of a world where sweeping change and progress is possible. Big ideas like restructuring the healthcare industry or new social welfare programs are scary to them because they have been mentally conditioned to think such things aren't possible
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:45
|
|
|
How can someone who voted for Iraq, voted for the push towards Iran in 08, went all in on Libya, cheered for Israel in Lebanon, cheered the Saudis in Yemen come off as more hawkish than expected? Does she talk about nuking the middle east and the Balkans in private or something?
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:46
|
|
|
tax credits to businesses has to be one of the most idiotic policies ever it doesn't sell itself cause how do you even know you were on the "less taxes if you train a guy" program? plus people have to wait for a hypothetical employer near them to learn about it and actually implement this program to get help. are dems going to be going to the mom and pop stores and teaching them how to claim their training tax credits? gently caress no! will the "small businesses" that are puppets of megacorps know about and exploit this? hell yes. everybody loses
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:46
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:lol tho that nancy is from one of the most liberal states in the union and shes to the right of loving chuck schumer Governor Jerry Brown is against single payer. California politics aren't nearly as left wing as you'd like to think they are.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:47
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:The fact we are in day what 5? of the roll out of this lovely slogan/platform and even the bootlickers I know aren't defending it shows that it's probably dead in the water Like actually dead in back to the drawing board or just useless garbage like we're saying
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:48
|
|
|
Agnosticnixie posted:How can someone who voted for Iraq, voted for the push towards Iran in 08, went all in on Libya, cheered for Israel in Lebanon, cheered the Saudis in Yemen come off as more hawkish than expected? Does she talk about nuking the middle east and the Balkans in private or something? she literally has a snifter of qadaffi's blood (which she has used stem cell technology to regenerate infinitely in the lab) every night
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:48
|
|
|
The biggest reason why 18-30 year olds aren't locked into that mentality is because we have no hope otherwise and politics have never not been a total shitshow within our recent memories. Gotta understand that a lot of olds still look back at when the parties where much closer together and less toxic nostalgically. The new screaming unfiltered rage and hatred scares the poo poo out of them
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:48
|
|
|
Training isn't the problem. Wages are. There are plenty of low wage jobs out there that do not require much training, they are just hard as hell and don't pay what they should or they are demeaning and don't pay what they should. What industry is facing a labor shortage right now because working class people aren't trained to participate in it?
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:49
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:I don't think it's as lovely as some people in here do but it is still remarkably limp they be been getting blowback from their wall street donors who are shook by the eat the rich mentality that's spreading around
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:49
|
|
|
Dems could come out with something as simple as "Wage Theft is hosed up, corporations need to pay up!" and be instantly popular. It would hit all the right notes and be something real, approachable, solvable, that people could easily get behind.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:49
|
|
|
Agnosticnixie posted:How can someone who voted for Iraq, voted for the push towards Iran in 08, went all in on Libya, cheered for Israel in Lebanon, cheered the Saudis in Yemen come off as more hawkish than expected? Does she talk about nuking the middle east and the Balkans in private or something? remember her "muscular" foreign policy PR push or this classic - How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk: Throughout her career she has displayed instincts on foreign policy that are more aggressive than those of President Obama — and most Democrats.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:50
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:The biggest reason why 18-30 year olds aren't locked into that mentality is because we have no hope otherwise and politics have never not been a total shitshow within our recent memories. cause they know its directed at them. rightfully. they steered this country into the ground for their own greed. they've killed the planet for future generations because they wanted to live in opulence. they should be being guillotined. and they will make it happen cause they literally cannot help but yell "let them eat cake" at the starving masses they're creating
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:50
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:The biggest reason why 18-30 year olds aren't locked into that mentality is because we have no hope otherwise and politics have never not been a total shitshow within our recent memories. anime was right posted:the left: make life better for everyone, generally.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 19:45 |
|
|
Venom Snake posted:The biggest reason why 18-30 year olds aren't locked into that mentality is because we have no hope otherwise and politics have never not been a total shitshow within our recent memories. So this thing that you are telling me is... drown the old?
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2017 20:51
|
|
