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Al-Saqr posted:The IDF:- a bunch of well armed ISIS barbarians and cowards. Stooped old terror granddad waved his fist at those six men with automatic rifles. Clear threat.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Jerusalem is about 33% palestinian right now you dipshit. why are you arguing with someone with the same mindset as an ISIS fanatic? he's a racist zealot there's no saving him.
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GaussianCopula posted:uhm, I did seem to miss it, but did they decapitate him like the Islamic State would probably have done? So does anyone else doubt that this is either a troll or a subhuman piece of poo poo?
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Seriously, though, who shot that guy? Because none of the soldiers in that video seemed in a position to do it.
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Merciful of them to just shoot him really. Good guys. Could have tortured him. Real stand up.
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Darth Walrus posted:What the hell happened there? It looked like one of the soldiers turned around and the Palestinian dude fell over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDwtgtT1Nk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/65-year-old-palestinian-man-confronts-armed-israeli-troops-a6690496.html Of course nobody shoots the guy, but you know, that's some ISIS poo poo, I guess. It's also an incident from a couple of years ago.
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Darth Walrus posted:Seriously, though, who shot that guy? Because none of the soldiers in that video seemed in a position to do it. I know a few years ago the IDF tried to sell snipers armed with .22s as "non-lethal" until the corpses started piling too high to ignore that it was complete bullshit. Like who knows what they use nowadays but even rubber bullets would probably be lethal in a long rifle.
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Autism Sneaks posted:So does anyone else doubt that this is either a troll or a subhuman piece of poo poo? But you repeat yourself.
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qkkl posted:Would it be ok if Israel had a right to exist as a Jewish state if it meant peace for both Israelis and Palestinians? The problem is that, in reality, an ethnic/religious state along the lines of Israel results in 1. the state effectively making a subset of its residents second-class citizens and/or 2. the state having to forcibly remove people in order to maintain a majority of the desired ethnicity/religion. It may sound like it makes sense to just say "Well, Jewish people can have their own ethnic state", but in practice a state will need to practice ethnic cleansing to maintain such a standard (at least if it's formed in a place where other people already live, as Israel was). All this being said, I think most people would be willing to tolerate Israel being an ethnic state if it just stopped aggressively occupying and oppressing Palestinians. team overhead smash posted:Palestinian negotiators have been willing to cede portions of Jerusalem, but never the whole thing. Of course the question is who the gently caress thinks Palestine should just make these concessions? This is a really bizarre discussion that has no bearing on either reality or the rights of the respective parties. Um, I think you'll find that offering 5,000 Palestinian women as concubines to Bibi in exchange for a peace deal would result in less loss of life than no peace deal at all, ergo they are obligated to make this offer. GaussianCopula posted:b) Accept the reality that Israel made the Arabs pay for their continued aggression after 1948 and give up some things you don't want to give up. So Palestinians for some reason share some sort of collective responsibility for what people from different countries with a similar ethnicity did, lol. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Seriously, though, who shot that guy? Because none of the soldiers in that video seemed in a position to do it. Nobody shot him. Pallywood will Pallywood and the fact that it was linked by biggest antisemite on forums tells loads.
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Ytlaya posted:So Palestinians for some reason share some sort of collective responsibility for what people from different countries with a similar ethnicity did, lol. GaussianCopula is very big on collective guilt and collective punishment. Lady Morgaga posted:Pallywood And here's another racist piece of poo poo obligingly coming up with the magic word to tell everyone that they're a racist piece of poo poo everybody should ignore.
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Cat Mattress posted:And here's another racist piece of poo poo obligingly coming up with the magic word to tell everyone that they're a racist piece of poo poo everybody should ignore.
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Lady Morgaga posted:Nobody shot him. Pallywood will Pallywood and the fact that it was linked by biggest antisemite on forums tells loads. Cool accusation. I dare you to point out one single anti Semitic thing I said, that's if you're a man and not a little poo poo weasel. Take note, being hateful towards Israel is not the same as antisemitism at all unless you're a dishonest retard.
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The world happily "tolerates" many ethno-states. Why should the one Jewish state be singled out for condemnation and elimination? hakimashou fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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hakimashou posted:The world happily "tolerates" many ethno-states. Because of all of the Palestinians, you dumb oval office?
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hakimashou posted:The world happily "tolerates" many ethno-states. All ethno states are terrible, but very few of them (comparatively) routinely commit genocide like Israel does, hth. You're right though in that all states should be abolished 
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Polygynous posted:ahahaha that edit I don't follow UKMT consistently enough to know if they are for real or not but all it really amounts to is wondering they're one kind of malevolent and stupid rather than another In other news https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/889612247865196544
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Ytlaya posted:So Palestinians for some reason share some sort of collective responsibility for what people from different countries with a similar ethnicity did, lol. Not to mention that a hell of a lot of that "Arab aggression" is Arabs defending themselves when Israel invades. Sinai and Six Day wars are clear cases of Israel being the aggressors while even the Yom Kippor War was based around Egypt reclaiming it's land that Israel had illegally annexed and refused to return via diplomatic negotiations.
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hakimashou posted:The world happily "tolerates" many ethno-states. hakimashou posted:The world happily "tolerates" many ethno-states. hakimashou hosed around with this message at Jul 25, 2017 around 00:35  edit: what an interasting edit you made there really. It's like you came dangerously close to realising that Israel is indeed not being treated unfairly, and then your superego made a quick adjustment to your internal selection of words, before any permanent damage to your own view of the world occurred. lollontee fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:salafis are not an accurate appraisal of the billions of muslims worldwide? Not what I said. I said moderates in any religion are delusional hypocrites who don't actually truly represent the religion. VVVV My second quote proves you have zero reading comprehension. The fact that Muhammed Naqab or Izzy Cohen are sitting around being moderates, and the majority of their faith's members have similar beliefs, indeed indicates that the majority of a faith's practitioners are moderate. But that just means they don't truly believe in the tenets of the religion that they supposed adhere to. I was not claiming that all members of a sect have radical beliefs, just that they're frauds if they don't. Kim Jong Il fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Kim Jong Il posted:I'd actually argue that Jewish Home and Hamas/Nusra/Hezbollah/etc... (not Daesh of course) are accurate representations of their religions, which is why their religions should be ignored and dismissed. Kim Jong Il posted:Of course there's a wide variety of experiences within both, I just think they're frauds, the same for any religion. I'm actually adopting the argument of David Hume here. If you're going to water down the true religion even one iota, you might as well go full atheism. Logic can't be applied to faith, because if it is, that's the only reasonable conclusion. You either need full atheism or full fideism. All religion is unmitigated trash, you just need to say it in a context where it's not used to do things like cudgel people from the Middle East. Kim Jong Il posted:Not what I said. I said moderates in any religion are delusional hypocrites who don't actually truly represent the religion. 
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If Israel was uniformly interested in colonization, they would have done so. They have a repeated history of territorial withdrawal.Disinterested posted:The Palestinians have made any number of generous offers to Israel in the past that have been refused by Israel, only for Israel to argue it's the Palestinians demanding too much that means no peace can be had. World opinion also means nothing here, the two peoples are not engaged in a popularity contest. It's always bogged down over specifics around things like Jerusalem borders and refugees. "1967 borders" is a non starter, there will be land swaps. Al-Saqr posted:Cool accusation. I dare you to point out one single anti Semitic thing I said, that's if you're a man and not a little poo poo weasel. Take note, being hateful towards Israel is not the same as antisemitism at all unless you're a dishonest retard. Horseface ring a bell? You've repeatedly cheerleaded murdering Kurds in the broader ME thread, and generally freak out when anyone suggests giving a modicum of rights to minorities in the Middle East. Pan-Arabism is failed, racist garbage. Kim Jong Il fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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"A history of territorial withdrawal" is a massive fantasy unless you're counting getting kicked out of Lebanon by Hizbollah or giving the Sinai back to Egypt. Oh yeah they dropped the one settlement in Gaza, big deal, current West Bank settlements occupy almost half the WB and the Golan is still under occupation afaik.
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Kim Jong Il posted:If Israel was uniformly interested in colonization, they would have done so. They have a repeated history of territorial withdrawal. You're passing the buck intellectually by saying the negotiations get bogged down. What you mean is the Palestinians agree to more and more concessions and get told to gently caress off anyway. 67 border with landswaps that massively favour Israel has been the bedrock of negotiations for decades.
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Kim Jong Il posted:If Israel was uniformly interested in colonization, they would have done so. They have a repeated history of territorial withdrawal. Kim Jong Il, are you an anti-Semite in disguise or do you want to explain how you arrived at the obvious falsehood? Edit: lol, is he seriously referring to Sinai? NEWSFLASH, FUCKWIT: you don't get credit for not violating international norms in one instance.
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Miftan posted:All ethno states are terrible, but very few of them (comparatively) routinely commit genocide like Israel does, hth. You're right though in that all states should be abolished Every ethno-state that started out as a colony committed some form of ethnic cleansing. It's simple mathematics. When an area at time X is 100% ethnicity A, and then is 90% ethnicity B at time (X + T), then some form of ethnic cleansing occurred. team overhead smash posted:Not to mention that a hell of a lot of that "Arab aggression" is Arabs defending themselves when Israel invades. Sinai and Six Day wars are clear cases of Israel being the aggressors while even the Yom Kippor War was based around Egypt reclaiming it's land that Israel had illegally annexed and refused to return via diplomatic negotiations. Massing troops at the border of a small country is an act of war.
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qkkl posted:
Maybe someone should inform IDF commanders then, because they do it on the Lebanese border on the regular.
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Disinterested posted:You're passing the buck intellectually by saying the negotiations get bogged down. What you mean is the Palestinians agree to more and more concessions and get told to gently caress off anyway. 67 border with landswaps that massively favour Israel has been the bedrock of negotiations for decades. That's not even remotely an accurate portrayal of 2000 or 2008. Abbas or anyone who actually signed a deal would be signing up to be the next Sadat, because Hamas still insists on having its racially pure ethnostate. edit: rofl at Israel being the aggressor in the 6 day war. What's next, a post about the USS Liberty? IF AMERICANS KNEW TEAM OVERHEAD SMASH, IF AMERICANS KNEW.
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lollontee posted:hakimashou hosed around with this message at Jul 25, 2017 around 00:35 I thought the edited version brought the point home better and put it in its proper historical context. There are many 'ethno states' such as China or Japan or the First Nations or American Indians in North America. Many people would like to a see a Kurdistan for the Kurds for example. But when we get to the one Jewish state... no right to exist!
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hakimashou posted:There are many 'ethno states' such as China rofl look at this loving moron
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I'm wondering what Palestinians think their end game is? Another war down the line that Israel loses? I know from watching some imam sermons that there is a belief that Allah will cause Islam's enemies to be greatly weakened by natural disasters or other outside phenomenon. Barring losing a war, Israel is just going to continue to squeeze the Palestinians by building settlements and cutting down on services for Palestinians to lower their birth rate, until Jews make up 80%+ of the Israel+West Bank population and the area effectively becomes a Jewish ethno-state.
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Kim Jong Il posted:If Israel was uniformly interested in colonization, they would have done so. Their interest in colonization is irrelevant to them refraining from doing so because no matter how much interest they have they could not succeed without American aid, loans, and weapons shipments, which would stop if they decided to go full Assad.
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fool_of_sound posted:rofl look at this loving moron i also like this part hakimashou posted:the First Nations or American Indians in North America
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qkkl posted:I'm wondering what Palestinians think their end game is? Another war down the line that Israel loses? I know from watching some imam sermons that there is a belief that Allah will cause Islam's enemies to be greatly weakened by natural disasters or other outside phenomenon. Barring losing a war, Israel is just going to continue to squeeze the Palestinians by building settlements and cutting down on services for Palestinians to lower their birth rate, until Jews make up 80%+ of the Israel+West Bank population and the area effectively becomes a Jewish ethno-state. Nobody knows really. The Arabs lost their wars with Israel, it's settled whether people want to admit it or not. Israel has a nuclear deterrent and the most powerful friends any country could have. The Jewish state will continue to exist and unless people are willing to accept and make peace with that then they will not have a good time of it. If well-intentioned people want to make a difference then they are barking up the wrong tree with Israel. There are millions of lives to be saved from starvation, malnutrition and preventable disease all over the developing world. What makes Israel different from all these other worthy causes in terms of the furious hatred and frenzy it provokes in Europeans and some Americans will probably always remain a mystery. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Their interest in colonization is irrelevant to them refraining from doing so because no matter how much interest they have they could not succeed without American aid, loans, and weapons shipments, which would stop if they decided to go full Assad. Right now Israel doesn't need outside assistance, but in the past it was actually France who gave them crucial assistance, including assistance with building nukes. France also helped the US during their war for independence, so there's something about those frenchies that causes them to help burgeoning colonies.
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qkkl posted:Right now Israel doesn't need outside assistance, but in the past it was actually France who gave them crucial assistance, including assistance with building nukes. France also helped the US during their war for independence, so there's something about those frenchies that causes them to help burgeoning colonies. how are you real? quote:The only real difference between a human athlete and a horse athlete is genetics, yet by the age of 2 a horse athlete can easily outrun the fastest humans. Therefore genetics plays a role in athletic performance. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3519503&pagenumber=111&perpage=40#post425455751 oh explains a lot
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hakimashou posted:If well-intentioned people want to make a difference then they are barking up the wrong tree with Israel. There are millions of lives to be saved from starvation, malnutrition and preventable disease all over the developing world. All those things are also way more important than posting like a dipshit in this thread. Hop to it!
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qkkl posted:Right now Israel doesn't need outside assistance, but in the past it was actually France who gave them crucial assistance, including assistance with building nukes. France also helped the US during their war for independence, so there's something about those frenchies that causes them to help burgeoning colonies. Yeah OK you're a troll.
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