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Ryoga posted:Does anyone have a link to a clip of that event battle in FMW where Remilia is trying to save berserk Flandre. I can't seem to find it anymore and it remains one of the coolest animations in the series. If only SRW could do more stuff like that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYfF7Ij_ivI&t=778s I played 4 some more last night and while what new music there is still isn't thrilling me, the fires of hokkai arrangement is awesome, especially the intro...though I feel sometimes that the composers front-load a lot of the awesomeness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNiorzGUqu8 edit: there is one thing that has annoyed me for the entire series though: stages where the stage music is higher priority than anything else and thus runs continuously. It could be the most awesome music in the world and I still won't want to listen to it in a loop for an hour straight. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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V seems like a good introductory SRW also because it's comparatively easy and simple and the plot is straightforward and earnest. Z remains the best SRW probably ever but both the mechanics and plot are more complicated, especially since it was already setting up a goddamn metaplot. Same with MD, actually. OG's plot is enormous (and appears even more so than it is with its increasingly padded cast) and its systems are kind of crufty.
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Ashsaber posted:calling Invaders Newtypes or Kamile and Setsuna women aside. but Kamile is a GIRLS name 
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Ashsaber posted:V's translation wasn't perfect, but it was mostly things your brain pretty much auto-corrects for anyways, calling Invaders Newtypes or Kamile and Setsuna women aside. OGverse battleships would be helped a lot by Size Categories doing the damage modifying thing. Not much is ever going to stand up to the Yamato though because it had to combine the two qualities of "series protagonist unit" and "has to be better than the Nadesico" in its debut so until maybe Harlock or something shows up it's gonna be the Best Boat by leaps and bounds.
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EthanSteele posted:OGverse battleships would be helped a lot by Size Categories doing the damage modifying thing. Not much is ever going to stand up to the Yamato though because it had to combine the two qualities of "series protagonist unit" and "has to be better than the Nadesico" in its debut so until maybe Harlock or something shows up it's gonna be the Best Boat by leaps and bounds. Doesn't have to stand up to the Nadesico or Yamato, just put them on par with something like the Ra Cailum or Nahel Argama, or anything pretty much other than the Garencieres or maybe the Ptolomey. as it is they just don't feel like they can last that long and are massive targets. IIRC they have like 200 EN to start, they take 15 EN to use their barriers, and like 30 to fire their beam cannons. That EN goes away very quickly when enemies target them.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Not a clip of just that, but it's part of this video Thanks for this
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https://twitter.com/srw_xomg/status/889460322863423488 They're gonna announce Robot Girls Z for X-O in the stream tomorrow. Guess their Twitter jumped the gun. Unless there's going to be an even bigger surprise.
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The OG battleships were already mediocre to somewhat bad in OG1 due to their massive EN guzzling problems(jesus christ 20 EN every time you get hit, come on e-field) and have never received any updates or upgrades despite the power level of the series following a power creep track roughly equivalent to a level 1 D&D campaign going to the epic levels. Whenever we get the next OG game I'm hoping the Hagane and Hiryu are either destroyed and replaced or put in for massive overhauls so we can have the Hagane II and the Tenryu or something and have them not be garbage.
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Well if they continue the same pace, we should be getting the Valstork in the next game, but then that just turns into another robot.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:03
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It'll be strong and people can go in it for resupply which should hopefully fit the mechanical niche. Luckily because of the bug in W the Valstork has never had size modifiers!
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Jul 24, 2017 22:50
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Valguard is basically a smaller Macross, I say it still counts as a battleship.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:51
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ey beat this game, wow that last battle.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:52
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I'm more curious about how the characters get introduced. They can't have been Trailers because even if the Valstork doesn't go into space, having a big old battleship with its own mobile squad that's been wandering the planet the whole time seems like the sort of thing they can't just paper over Z3-FMP style. (Not that I think they wouldn't do it.)
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They are absolutely just going to paper over it. Maybe at most have the Ardyguns out around Mars/asteroid belt/Jupiter to explain why they haven't been helping.
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The subject of trailers was considered taboo to speak in public. More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if they're simply transported from another Earth.
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Jul 25, 2017 03:27
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So I tried to buy some PSN cards over the weekend and my bank flagged it as shady or whatever. I talked to them and fixed that. Payment went through, but now play asia cancelled my order. This game is hard to buy.
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GimmickMan posted:The subject of trailers was considered taboo to speak in public. They have used the multiple Earths thing too many times in recent games. The fact that a group of what are basically mercenaries exists shouldn't be that hard to explain.
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Jul 25, 2017 14:12
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The Ardyguns as part of some early pioneers with great tech from trading with a Good Zvorg/other alien people and are just coming back to Earth after a long time away or even just another group of "we're aliens but oh look we're identical to humans in every single way" that do mercenary stuff with the various space empires seems reasonable enough. Raul and Fiona's time shenanigans can get involved with the W plot too! Oh no it all went wrong and now there's a strangely familiar fella in a Gespenst showing up because there's always a strangely familiar fella in a Gespenst.
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Caphi posted:I'm more curious about how the characters get introduced. They can't have been Trailers because even if the Valstork doesn't go into space, having a big old battleship with its own mobile squad that's been wandering the planet the whole time seems like the sort of thing they can't just paper over Z3-FMP style. (Not that I think they wouldn't do it.) There's no real need to jump through hoops about it. The Valstork has a single mobile unit as its compliment, and the ship itself is hardly terribly impressive in its original form from W before all of Bless's weirdo tech started revealing itself. It's hardly a credible military force in the context of global civil war or massive alien invasion, so it's pretty easy to paper over it as "we never got involved and kept to ourselves while doing our Trailer things, and we had some basic self defense functionality in the form of the Valhawk and the Valstork's weapons to stop us from being loving killed by renegade DC or whatever".
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Orbiting colonies exist in the OG verse, right? It doesn't seem at all unreasonable for space truckers to be a thing. The escalation of space violence during the series could even be the impetus for Bless to start arming/upgrading the various Vals, which would have previously been unarmed space trucks unable to meaningfully contribute to a conflict.
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Schwarzwald posted:Orbiting colonies exist in the OG verse, right? It doesn't seem at all unreasonable for space truckers to be a thing. They do, and indeed aren't even all around Earth. Lune grew up out near Jupiter, but aside from her background mentioning them I don't think OG has used the idea of colonies past the asteroid belt for anything. You could easily have them coming in from the rest of the solar system if you didn't want to have the Trailers from the Earth/Luna sphere for whatever reason. Edit: Especially if the Database is still out near Pluto, having the Ardyguns as outer-system space truckers/mercs doesn't sound like a horrible plan... Prism fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 16:14
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OG has colonies because Gundam, and then usually forgets.
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Elzam exists because of a colony thing, right? And then after that no important colony things happen until it turns out that the Big Statue doesn't consider colonies as "Earth" stuff. I think? edit: RATSEL, not ELZAM. Elzam is a criminal! EthanSteele fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Clearly the Valstork and Valhawk were something designed by Bian Zoldark, given his otehr creations, the Valsion and the Valsione. Out by Jupiter. Then stolen by or given to the Ardyguns.
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EthanSteele posted:Elzam exists because of a colony thing, right? And then after that no important colony things happen until it turns out that the Big Statue doesn't consider colonies as "Earth" stuff. I think? Yeah, Big Statue wants Earth sealed off from even its own satellites. Colony stuff hasn't been relevant since OG1, and after OG1, the one key figure of colonial politics, Brian Midcrid, got posted as president of the Earth Federation (for a while), so he became a de-facto Earth politics figure instead. As far as the rest of the games are concerned, the colonies exist, and that's about it.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Clearly the Valstork and Valhawk were something designed by Bian Zoldark, given his otehr creations, the Valsion and the Valsione. Out by Jupiter. Then stolen by or given to the Ardyguns. Can't be like that exactly, as it is a major plot point that the Valstork was made by Bless in the past and sent to his future self (via his father/grandfather/some parent). Hmm... maybe Bless' parent could've been friends with Biant at the EOTI and, thus, they went all SUPER ROBOT SCIENTISTS with it? Then, when the DC War started, Bian passed the thing along to Bless and had him take it away for safekeeping? And I'm pretty sure the only reason we had colonies in the first place was so Elzam could truly be a Char. That purpose fulfilled, they fell by the wayside.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Clearly the Valstork and Valhawk were something designed by Bian Zoldark, given his otehr creations, the Valsion and the Valsione. Out by Jupiter. Then stolen by or given to the Ardyguns. It turns out that in the OG universe, Blessfield was enamored with Zoldark's ideals, but as a space-redneck "legendary trucker" working the fly-over planets of the Solar System, he didn't really understand them beyond "build giant war machines and give them Val- names." Kazuma, Mihiro and family are happy to use their father's weapons in defense of the people of Earth, but they get touchy if people ask about him. The other OG characters speculate that this is because the family hides some mysterious secret, but in reality they're all just embarrassed. None of them want it to get out that he's a kook who believed aliens from the distant past spoke to him and regularly wears tinfoil pyramid hats "to improve boson communication reception."
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Please do not be mean to Blessfield Ardygun, Literally History's Greatest Dad.
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Brunom1 posted:And I'm pretty sure the only reason we had colonies in the first place was so Elzam could truly be a Char. That purpose fulfilled, they fell by the wayside. Also the Giganscudo was sealed away because a different group of terrorists used it to attack a different colony, thus killing a different Aggressor's family. I do kinda wish they had enough OG battleships that we could choose which ones to deploy. Gimme a fake Mother Vanguard at least.
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Maybe the next OG game will be Colony-focused.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Maybe the next OG game will be Colony-focused.
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Caphi posted:Please do not be mean to Blessfield Ardygun, Literally History's Greatest Dad. The man who forgot all his daughters in favor of endless clones of his son and some random other dude? Worst dad in the entire series.
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MarsDragon posted:The man who forgot all his daughters in favor of endless clones of his son and some random other dude? Worst dad in the entire series. He made two clones of his son, one of himself and one of his wife. Yeah, also the random dude, but still.
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Wait, was Critic supposed to be Horace?
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Samurai Sanders posted:If the next OG game doesn't finally cover Alpha 3 I'm gonna hurt something. It basically has to at this point. They've already introduced all the protagonists and set up all their character beats. Hell, Touma's a Baran Doban away from halfway through his arc at this point.
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Alpha 3 has a bit of a scale issue where it's a galactic-level conflict culminating in a giant battle against the living personification of entropy, so that's sort of hard to top. It feels like a natural conclusion so that's probably why they've been putting it off for so long.
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Kanos posted:Alpha 3 has a bit of a scale issue where it's a galactic-level conflict culminating in a giant battle against the living personification of entropy, so that's sort of hard to top. It feels like a natural conclusion so that's probably why they've been putting it off for so long. Honestly, I'd be ok with them reeling the scale of things back a bit. OG1 is probably my favorite SRW because the conflict in that game is a lot more realistic (well, you know, mecha anime realistic) in scale. I mean sure, the later games do lots of cool stuff and the more fantastic units are great, but I really liked how in OG1 the 'special' units (like Cybuster, Alt/Weissritter, pretty much all the supers) really felt like superweapons. I mean in OG1, when you combined SRX you basically knew poo poo had gotten real, while in MD, I can't remember if I even really used it.
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Silvergun1000 posted:Honestly, I'd be ok with them reeling the scale of things back a bit. OG1 is probably my favorite SRW because the conflict in that game is a lot more realistic (well, you know, mecha anime realistic) in scale. I mean sure, the later games do lots of cool stuff and the more fantastic units are great, but I really liked how in OG1 the 'special' units (like Cybuster, Alt/Weissritter, pretty much all the supers) really felt like superweapons. The only other moment that I feel matches up is also from OG1, and it's when Ring Mao joins in a second Gungrust. Which, like you said, really speaks to how having a lower power ceiling makes you really appreciate your better units. Finding out afterwards that Mao was originally the Huckebein was really weird.
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ImpAtom posted:It basically has to at this point. They've already introduced all the protagonists and set up all their character beats. Hell, Touma's a Baran Doban away from halfway through his arc at this point. you think the series will continue after they finish the Alpha 3 plot?
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Samurai Sanders posted:If the next OG game doesn't finally cover Alpha 3 I'm gonna hurt something. I'm waiting for Another Time Diver and ORE NO VAIKURAN with bated breath.
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