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Dany needs a fleet, there's a guy who knows something about ships coming to visit her. I wonder what happened to Salador Saan or whatever his name was, i'm sure he could be hired.
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twistedmentat posted:Dany needs a fleet, there's a guy who knows something about ships coming to visit her. I wonder what happened to Salador Saan or whatever his name was, i'm sure he could be hired. Yeah the writers forgot about him like 3 years ago.
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Jul 25, 2017 01:45
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He didn't say he wanted to gently caress A queen he said he wanted to gently caress THE queen
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Jul 25, 2017 01:54
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Salladhor Saan is in Gendry's boat along with the other two Vale Lords from Littlefinger's Trial, Ghost, Edmure Tully, and all the Essos dudes. Time for someone to update that old photoshop. And yes that was absolutely both the dead Sand Snakes that Theon saw, and not his sister. The show made a point having Euron kill both of them "ironically" with their own signature weapons, hence the whip one hanging from the prow and the spear one being pinned to it by said spear. Yara would've died too if Theon had charged. Euron probably would've killed him too. One of them needed to survive and escape, even if it's the way less useful of the two siblings. [Also Theon is playing the long gone, he was so pathetic and so cowardly it's going to cause Euron to literally die laughing and then Yara will be able to escape safe and sound. All part of the plan.  ]
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Jul 25, 2017 02:01
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Durzel posted:Ok. Looks like I need my eyes tested then. To be fair, it was a dark and stormy night  I had to pause to make sure, because hanging Yara from the bow made a lot more sense given Euron's personality.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:17
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah the writers forgot about him like 3 years ago. The damnable writers strike again!
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Jul 25, 2017 02:19
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It is most likely that the "Gift" is Ellaria + Bad Pooseh Yara will be Euron's prisoner for the sole purpose of exposition/fleshing out Euron as a character - like Theon was for Ramsay and like how Damphair is in the books. We will see some of Euron's mysteries/spooky stuff/evil stuff
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Jul 25, 2017 02:19
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You know what was nice during the shakycam boat fight? All the embers in the air. That was a real neat touch, I liked it a lot, especially when Theon Reeked out.Rookoo posted:Too bad the most advanced centre for medical research in westeros didn't have any spare milk of the poppy sitting around. Would have been nice for Jorah. First time they used that phrase in the show, I thought they said "milk of the puppy". That was really, really confusing.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:27
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It was nice of them to remind us that the one snake who lived was actually Ellaria's daughter and therefore the current heir of Dorne, since I'd kind of forgotten what their deal was. That plot thread's definitely suffering for their not having developed Dorne more with their time there, since we don't know any other Dornish characters to react to the current leaders being captured so it's hard to feel the impact. This might prove to be a good excuse to introduce a Dornish lord or two to explain what the rest of the country thinks of Ellaria and the current political situation, maybe to fulfill a similar role as Tarly as an alternative leader for for the kingdom looking to gain station by allying with Cersei. I'm also still very curious how much of the rebel Ironborn fleet is left after the ambush. With the weather as cover it might've been just a small strike against Yara's ship and its immediate escorts to make off with some VIPs or it could be the whole fleet's sunk and it's just Theon left now. I don't think they're going to rob Dany of all her ships and strand her on Dragonstone so quickly but they might at least put her on the back foot so she's outnumbered at sea (as long as Cersei and Euron get along). It'd also be an interesting chance for Theon to reclaim some of himself if he has to actually rally the other rebels.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:35
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WHY BONER NOW posted:You know what was nice during the shakycam boat fight? All the embers in the air. That was a real neat touch, I liked it a lot, especially when Theon Reeked out. Same here, I was like "well they're mammals, I guess you can milk them". Then I heard someone later say it without an accent and it made a lot more sense.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:47
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"Here take a mighty swig of this dog milk to ease your anguish" "I'll uh wait to pass out from the pain actually, thanks tho"
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Jul 25, 2017 02:48
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Sydin posted:If D&D were good writers I'd posit that a scene comprising of a direwolf - the symbol of house stark - rejecting Aria is proof that she's truly lost what makes her "Stark" in becoming a weird sociopathic super assassin. But they're not so it was probably just foreshadowing for a later scene where Aria fucks up and gets cornered, and Nymeria saves her. I watch GoT out of habit and pulpy enjoyment, but this is exactly my problem with the show. It presents an interesting, connected, geopolitical world full of interesting conflicts large and micro, and often fails to riff on the most interesting ones. I often thinking about what a GoT could accomplish in more competent hands
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Jul 25, 2017 02:52
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Dolash posted:It was nice of them to remind us that the one snake who lived was actually Ellaria's daughter and therefore the current heir of Dorne, since I'd kind of forgotten what their deal was. That plot thread's definitely suffering for their not having developed Dorne more with their time there, since we don't know any other Dornish characters to react to the current leaders being captured so it's hard to feel the impact. I think she's supposed to also have a bunch of the slavers' ships from when they were besieging Meereen? Plus presumably the Tyrells have some, although I guess it's up in the air how much Lady Olenna can bring to the field if Tarly is opposing her. She's technically not a Tyrell. E: bookchat isn't she from the family that actually owns most of the southern ships? Either the Oldtown lords or the ones with the famous wine.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:58
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Mister Perky posted:Salladhor Saan is in Gendry's boat along with the other two Vale Lords from Littlefinger's Trial, Didn't one of them just have dialogue in Jon Snow's farewell meeting? And Edmure Tully, we've seen him again recently, not sure if he got loose during the Frey poisoning though
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Jul 25, 2017 03:08
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I think she's supposed to also have a bunch of the slavers' ships from when they were besieging Meereen? Plus presumably the Tyrells have some, although I guess it's up in the air how much Lady Olenna can bring to the field if Tarly is opposing her. She's technically not a Tyrell. The reach is fertile farm lands so they do a lot of trade. The arbor and house redwyne which is their naval power house has a lot of ships and clashes with the ironborn quite a bit. The north also has its own fleet of sorts in white harbor to the north. Though this hasnt been mentioned in the show. It showed the unsullied on ships in the preview too so I would assume the plan is going to be to have the reach move north to kingslanding while they sweep accross from the west after taking casterly rock. The plan to ferry dornish troops doesnt make a lot of sense anyway since theres a road they can march directly into the reach with where they could link with the high garden forces and head to kingslanding to lay siege. I thought cersei's come to Jesus moment might have reintroduced some of the storm lands but nah.
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Jul 25, 2017 03:18
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Didn't one of them just have dialogue in Jon Snow's farewell meeting? And Edmure Tully, we've seen him again recently, not sure if he got loose during the Frey poisoning though Yeah that was Royce. Hes one of the leaders of the sub houses loyal to house arryn and probably the most accomplished military leader there. He was also pals with ned stark in his youth. His son (in the books anyway) was the guy you see killed in the prologue of the first season.
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Jul 25, 2017 03:22
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zoux posted:Royals marrying close-blooded other royals isn't just in the book, it's real life and caused hemophilia and the Hapsburg Jaw and don't loving post that picture of Charles II we've all seen it. It's happened if I remember right that family that had blue skin were from aunt and nephew marriages and uncle/niece marriages were the most common way for royal bloodlines to get totally hosed up. In fact it was primarily uncle/niece marriages that lead to Charles II. Also I liked this episode ok, it seems like they are making Sansa and Daenerys, be very bitchy/ up on a high horse this entire season. Sansa's whole "you need to be smarter" to Jon after she publicly questioned his judgement and undermined his (and hers which is what she doesn't seem to see) authority. Also she accused Ned of loving up, which he did but a lot of it had to do with her telling Cersei the loving plan. I don't know a lot of the writing of how characters react to poo poo this season seems hyper aggressive for no reason. Usually I can predict how a character would react to something and this season half the characters seem like someone pissed in there cereal, plus there was no huge Cersei freak-out that Tyrion was now hand to a queen younger and more beautiful her prophesy reaction is basically non-existent. Plus what the gently caress is with characters reacting to old info like its new? seriously that is a loving annoying tactic and unnecessary, they could just stick the needed scene in before credits to remind people. also that fight scene was in no way hard to follow/understand.
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Jul 25, 2017 03:25
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Festus The Fetus posted:
sure, but it WAS badly shot and herky-jerkily edited. It was often a chore to tell where the "viewer" was viewing from, who was who, and what the arc of the action was. It was edited like a lovely Marvel sequence, or a lovely Transformers sequence, all cut-cut-cut with no rhythm or consistency.
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Jul 25, 2017 03:36
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Kind of sad that Nymeria isn't interested in hanging out with Arya anymore. Ever since I first played the game of thrones card game I've been hoping that this was going to be a thing  maybe it'll be in the books? which probably means it's never going to happen. Overall I thought it was a good episode, was nice to see Hotpie pop up again. It will be interesting to see Cersei go all mad queen on Ellaria, she is definitely going to kill bad pussay and make Ellaria watch. I'm thinking it might be a parallel to how Aegon killed Rickard and Brandon Stark. quote:Lord Rickard was burned alive inside his armor with wildfire, while Brandon was tied to a strangulation device, with a sword mere inches from his hands and strangled himself by trying to reach the sword. That reminds me, I wonder how Septa Unella is doing...
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Didn't one of them just have dialogue in Jon Snow's farewell meeting? And Edmure Tully, we've seen him again recently, not sure if he got loose during the Frey poisoning though Nah. There were three, he's the main one, the other two haven't resurfaced since that episode. Presumably one of them is acting Lord Protector of Robin since LF is absenteeing it up at Winterfell but it doesn't look like it's going to come up. Royce is sorta the "leader" of that group anyway so streamlining The Vale cast down to him is reasonable. Edmure Tully was in Season 6, still being held prisoner by The Freys. Jaime requisitioned him to negotiate the surrender of Riverrun (so it could be bloodless, over quickly, and he wouldn't have to fight Brienne), but Jaime did not permanently release him. If the Freys got him back he should have escaped after Arya murdered everyone (and I've been  a bit about this potential plot hole; he is Arya's uncle after all so she should theoretically Give A gently caress about springing him and not just leaving him to starve in the cell of a ghost town castle) but they haven't mentioned him or shown him this season (yet). He was a "valuable" prisoner to the Freys [also Walder's son-in-law as he's the guy who actually got married at the Red Wedding] so they whined about giving him up to Jaime and probably insisted they get him back. If the Lannisters kept him his absence makes more sense [and they can keep him in prison/keep The Riverlands open for their troops to move through] but if he escaped from The Freys he should be out and about and probably even restored de facto to Lord Of Riverrun/The Riverlands because all the Freys are dead and ready to cut off Casterly Rock from King's Landing and/or ally with Jon or Dany (or both).Edgar Allen Ho posted:E: bookchat isn't she from the family that actually owns most of the southern ships? Either the Oldtown lords or the ones with the famous wine. Her maiden name is Redwyne which is one of the vassal families of The Reach (they hold the island with the wine and are the main naval power in the Tyrell army, yes) but they're mostly a footnote even in the books and haven't come up in the show. The Oldtown lords are the Hightowers, one of them is Mace's wife (Marge and Loras' mom) and one from a previous generation was part of the last great kingsguard and one of the three dudes Ned and Howland Reed killed at the Tower Of Joy [not the dual wielding main dude who got lines but the other guy] but again, even in the books they get little page time beyond token mentions so this is totally unimportant in the context of the show. The Reach Lords are (rightly) probably going to remain faceless and generic support for Lady Olenna (and Randyl Tarly if he splits off like Jaime wants) and this is totally fine. Mister Perky fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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I really wish I could remember real history as well as I remember the fake history of these books
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Jul 25, 2017 03:47
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I'm p sure that Walder Frey tells Jamie during their celebratory feast after retaking Riverrun that Edmure got locked away again so if Arya didn't spring him he's just kinda 
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Jul 25, 2017 03:54
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Dragonstoned posted:Kind of sad that Nymeria isn't interested in hanging out with Arya anymore. That would be more likely to happen in the books than what happened in the show, since she's still tightly connected with her wolf in the books. She wargs into her wolf at night sometimes while she's sleeping. I can't believe I waited 20 years for this dumb reunion which was just Nymeria has no feelings for Arya anymore. As I said in the other thread, for this scene to really work as intended, they should have had Arya be far more lost than she appears. They shouldn't have had her having friendly conversations with Lannisters. That tells us she's still mostly good. She should have murdered Ed Sheeran. Then we could see why the wolf wouldn't want anything to do with her.
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Jul 25, 2017 03:55
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some guy on the bus posted:That would be more likely to happen in the books than what happened in the show, since she's still tightly connected with her wolf in the books. She wargs into her wolf at night sometimes while she's sleeping. There is 0% chance that the wolf doesn't show up again. Much like Theon jumping off the boat or Jaimie not murdering Cersei, there are still episodes to go.
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Jul 25, 2017 04:04
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some guy on the bus posted:That would be more likely to happen in the books than what happened in the show, since she's still tightly connected with her wolf in the books. She wargs into her wolf at night sometimes while she's sleeping. Ffs, sometimes I think this thread is just purposefully thick because it's cool to find reasons to hate things that are generally surprisingly good (if occasionally weak). If nymeria had no feelings for arya, she would have just eaten her. The scene has a purpose, and it is not to show arya that she's lost or to show that the direwolf doesn't love her. The Wolf has a new purpose and pack. It's about nymeria not being domesticated. Arya isn't crushed at being rejected, because she accepts that nymeria isn't that kind of dog.
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Jul 25, 2017 04:31
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Can't believe nobody else loved Arya's pie talk. "I brown the butter before I bake it" "I didn't do that" "Oh you baked pies?" "A couple"
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Ffs, sometimes I think this thread is just purposefully thick because it's cool to find reasons to hate things that are generally surprisingly good (if occasionally weak). If nymeria had no feelings for arya, she would have just eaten her. The scene has a purpose, and it is not to show arya that she's lost or to show that the direwolf doesn't love her. The Wolf has a new purpose and pack. It's about nymeria not being domesticated. Arya isn't crushed at being rejected, because she accepts that nymeria isn't that kind of dog. Nymeria didn't even greet her like she was happy to see her. It seemed pretty cold to me. That's not to way someone reacts to another seeing them for the first time in 5 years if they care about that person. She recognized her and then instantly walked away. They could have shown that Nymeria wasn't domesticated in a way that still made it seem like she gave a drat about Arya. I'm not looking for things to complain about. This was the only weak scene for me out of an episode I liked. But it's a big one because I was looking forward to this reunion in 2003, lol.
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Jul 25, 2017 04:59
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Is there anything a ballista can do that wight giant can't do 20 times better?
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Evidently giving the giants a weapon to hold and armor to wear slipped the White Walkers' minds too, who themselves make use of both things
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Jul 25, 2017 05:15
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Just gonna say that the people adamantly opining how dumb that a fleet of relatively small, black wooden vessels might not be seen at sea at night have probably never stood watch on an actual ship at sea.
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Tiptoes posted:It doesn't need to have happened specifically in Dornish waters but still having Dorne and the Ironborne in the same fight just gets my mind to thinking of how unbalanced some of these factions are. Euron pulled a fleet of a thousand ships out of his rear end and that's a massive navy to go unnoticed. But he's on the other side of the continent wreaking havoc with ease. And after so many seasons where the Ironborne were largely jokes, it doesn't feel right for them to pose such a large danger now. It feels unearned. Whereas the Dornish faction is composed entirely of just Ellaria and three teenagers. They didn't even bother having Dornish redshirts protecting Ellaria because the writers clearly don't give a gently caress about Dorne. Not that the writers paying more attention to the Dornish characters would really help at this point. The sooner the show paves over season 5 Dorne, the better.
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Jul 25, 2017 05:37
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I feel like next time we see hotpie he's gonna be a corpse. "I'm a survivor"
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:I feel like next time we see hotpie he's gonna be a corpse. "I'm a survivor" Arya will decide to ride south to kill Cersei again after her experience with Nymeria, only to pass the Inn and discover Ed Sheeran burned it down and killed Hot Pie. After slaughtering Ed she'll decide to go back north after all, only to meet the Hound who convinces her to live for revenge. This goes on the entire season with Arya bouncing up and down the Riverlands having meaningful encounters with past acquaintances one after the other.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:I feel like next time we see hotpie he's gonna be a corpse. "I'm a survivor" And when the death, carnage and chaos settles and the fields run red with the blood of men, white walkers and dragons, only one man will stand victorious above them all. All hail King Hot Pie, first of his name.
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kiimo posted:The sand snake that was killed with her whip was then hung with her whip. Yara was taken to the other ship. Lycus posted:Everyone who posts on TVIV only watches half a show. That was during "check phone" half.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It sorta blows my mind that you can have the camera focus so much on the weapons and cause of death of these two characters (like I outlined in an earlier post), and then when we see them dead later, people are all like "?????". Then I remember that: Lol I was one of those confused people.
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It wasn't exactly the best lit scene, it only lasted a few seconds, her face is turned away from the camera, and she's wearing the same "generic beige with random leather" costume every other loving character does. It's not a difficult mistake to make, and I'm not sure it quite justifies galloping around on a 20 foot high horse.
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Did anyone else notice Billy Bones as the new Tarly background character? He was only there for two seconds but I hope he comes back again.
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tooterfish posted:It wasn't exactly the best lit scene, it only lasted a few seconds, her face is turned away from the camera, and she's wearing the same "generic beige with random leather" costume every other loving character does. As Nero Danced posted:Did anyone else notice Billy Bones as the new Tarly background character? He was only there for two seconds but I hope he comes back again.
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The fact we didn't see Yara die means its not Yara. She's too major to die like that, with uncertainty. Its either the sand snakes or some random redshirt sailors, but its almost assuredly the dead sand snakes when you notice how they're positioned.
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