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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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I'd tell Kyrie to pound sand
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Jul 25, 2017 15:03
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Paul Zuvella posted:Yeah, he seems like the biggest victim of unrealistic contract expectations this offseason. I don't know you can say the Mavs are "lowballing" him when the market has not offered him the contract that his agent told him he could get. Whoever his agent is should probably be promptly fired after all this. Basically this, a lot of people myself included assumed he'd get the rookie max if only because some ambitious dumbass team would force the mavs hand. Turns out that was wrong. I do think it's very mavs to get into a contact dispute with a center who loves it here, after the Tyson Chandler stuff
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Jul 25, 2017 15:10
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'd tell Kyrie to pound sand Their return on a trade for Kyrie is at it's highest point right now and will only decline as time passes. He did the Cavs a favor, in a way, by asking for a trade instead of playing it his contact and leaving in free agency.
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Jul 25, 2017 15:17
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'd tell Kyrie to pound sand Yeah I guess I never considered the possibility of the Cavs telling Kyrie to gently caress off because I just assumed new GM + Dan Gilbert is an impulsive and terrible owner
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Jul 25, 2017 15:17
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Ammanas posted:Their return on a trade for Kyrie is at it's highest point right now and will only decline as time passes. He did the Cavs a favor, in a way, by asking for a trade instead of playing it his contact and leaving in free agency. That almost doesn't matter because even if they get a good haul for him, Lebron is almost certainly gone next offseason which means they are rebuilding anyway.
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Jul 25, 2017 15:19
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euphronius posted:Yikes !! That is not starter money (from a players' pov) 14.5 million per year seems like starter money still, I donno Noel's injury risk makes it even more reasonable
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Jul 25, 2017 15:23
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14.5 million a year seems fair for a Center who is extremely limited offensively and doesn't really rebound all that well.
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Jul 25, 2017 15:27
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I said from a players pov It's there even in my post
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Jul 25, 2017 15:29
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euphronius posted:I said from a players pov What, because a few stiffs got paid more than they should have last year? If Noel thinks he's worth more than 14.5 a year that's why he hasn't signed a deal and godspeed to him but he's wrong Doesn't really matter what the player thinks
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Jul 25, 2017 15:38
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I agree I don't even see him as a starter on a good team. Maybe . As mentioned rebounding and shooting are projects still. I'm glad the sixers didn't sign him .
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Jul 25, 2017 15:45
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euphronius posted:I agree Yeah, man, the Sixers would be in a weird spot next year if Noel had been signed. His timeline was never going to work with the team so it was definitely best for him to go. Someday I hope he figures it all out but I just get the feeling like he's going to be a bundle of unrealized potential for his whole career Is Carlisle a big man whisperer too or does that extend only to wayward guards?
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Jul 25, 2017 15:47
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Paul Zuvella posted:That almost doesn't matter because even if they get a good haul for him, Lebron is almost certainly gone next offseason which means they are rebuilding anyway. Getting (multiple) good players + potential picks doesn't matter because they'll need good players and picks to effect a rebuild..gotcha.. I honestly don't know what your point is, it's a nonsensical reply
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Jul 25, 2017 15:53
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euphronius posted:I agree What's a fair contract for a good backup center these days? I mean, I know it wasn't going to work out because Nerlen's is still young and prideful, but I thought that he was an ideal backup, at least on paper. The Sixers defense wouldn't miss a beat with him anchoring the team for like 20-25 minutes a game, plus he would've looked a lot more efficient on offense with Simmons and Fultz (if they live up to hype) initiating.
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Jul 25, 2017 15:55
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Lebron's a strange guy https://twitter.com/brohrbach/status/889828969318625281 Sounds an awful lot like Bill Simmons's Secret
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Jul 25, 2017 15:57
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iamsosmrt posted:What's a fair contract for a good backup center these days? 3-8 million Cool Buff Man posted:Lebron's a strange guy The gently caress is he talking about, that's some weird rear end rambling
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Jul 25, 2017 16:01
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iamsosmrt posted:What's a fair contract for a good backup center these days? I don't think there is a market for backup centers, tbh. Most teams seem content giving that role to a D-league project type. Considering the league is going smaller, and most backup centers are going to be playing 12-18 minutes a game anyway. You saw all these teams who dumped 10+ million on backup centers who barely played last year and I have to imagine most of them are kicking themselves.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:02
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iamsosmrt posted:What's a fair contract for a good backup center these days? Agree The problem with backup contract for Noel is the years IMHO back up centers are so fungible that you should never sign one to a long term deal. It's like back up catchers in baseball. So if Noel was happy being a backup (he would not be) and he's happy taking a one year deal (he wouldn't ) then sure sign him . But that wasn't reality.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:02
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Ammanas posted:3-8 million I'd say 8-15 depending on the years
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Jul 25, 2017 16:03
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Ammanas posted:3-8 million "When you introduce a male and a female together, and they decide to get married and have a kid, now you have a blessing and you've done your job." is one of the strangest things I have ever read
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Jul 25, 2017 16:04
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Fam this is cold https://twitter.com/klng_matt/status/889850250235703296
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Jul 25, 2017 16:05
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Find me a wife please Lebron James
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Jul 25, 2017 16:05
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Cool Buff Man posted:Yeah, man, the Sixers would be in a weird spot next year if Noel had been signed. His timeline was never going to work with the team so it was definitely best for him to go. Someday I hope he figures it all out but I just get the feeling like he's going to be a bundle of unrealized potential for his whole career Well, Brendan Haywood, Ian mahinmi (who got the shot that made me realize the mavs were gonna win the finals tbf), zaza, bogut was terrible, not a good list That said Tyson Chandler was great and his only job was to play defense and finish lobs in spread pnr. I'm optimistic about Noel's fit in the team but he's still developing so I'm glad the mavs aren't caught severely overpaying
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Jul 25, 2017 16:07
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I want Carmelo on the Thunder so I can purchase historical novelty Melo Thunder apparel. I think this should be the prime motivation for fans in any trade or FA scenario.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:09
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Space Camp fuckup posted:I don't know why the Knicks or the Suns would do that Google "Tyson Chandler contract" and then send a tweet to Spike Lee asking him what he thinks of Dolan
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Jul 25, 2017 16:10
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Fuuuuuucckkkkkkkk!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!
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Jul 25, 2017 16:12
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euphronius posted:I'd say 8-15 depending on the years The markets nowhere near there for backups, the position has been remarkably denigrated, the top 3 centers in the league are generally not even the most important players on their team
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Jul 25, 2017 16:12
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Jul 25, 2017 16:15
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Bush Did Outer Heaven posted:I want Carmelo on the Thunder so I can purchase historical novelty Melo Thunder apparel. I think this should be the prime motivation for fans in any trade or FA scenario. I am still searching for a cavs Shaq jersey.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:16
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Ammanas posted:The markets nowhere near there for backups, the position has been remarkably denigrated, the top 3 centers in the league are generally not even the most important players on their team Feliciano 4/32 = 8aav Musclala 2/10 = 5aav Alan Williams 3/17 = 5.5 aav Olynk = 4/50+ = we will say 13 aav Dedmond = 2/14 = 7 aav Pau = 3/48 = 16 aav . A quasi starter backup Greg Monroe = 1/17 Amir Johnson = 1/11 Spencer hawes = 1/6.5 Len hasn't signed yet I think my numbers are accurate
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Jul 25, 2017 16:51
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R.D. Mangles posted:derrick rose is making less money than ron baker i make less money than derek rose
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Jul 25, 2017 16:52
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lol @ Kyrie just unfollowing LeBron
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Jul 25, 2017 16:58
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vaginal facsimile posted:i make less money than derek rose What a loser!
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Jul 25, 2017 16:59
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Ammanas posted:The markets nowhere near there for backups, the position has been remarkably denigrated, the top 3 centers in the league are generally not even the most important players on their team Davis and Towns? I guess Davis is technically playing more 4 now with Cousins and Towns is going to be behind Jimmy for this year but last year alone this was wrong.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:05
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Jordan would never do that
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Jul 25, 2017 17:06
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Dieng signed a 4/64 contract which I think is a good comparison for Noel. They are both borderline starter/bench bigs who are somewhat one dimensional. Dieng is more of a rim protector while Noel is more rangey defensively, on offense they each have a couple skills but are probably only scoring 10 assisted points. Dieng is a good rebounder on both sides though, so I'd pay him somewhat more, though he is a few years older. Something in the 12-14 range for Noel seems about right to me.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:08
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IcePhoenix posted:Davis and Towns? I think the general observation is that all the teams with all-star wings were in the playoffs and almost all the all-star centers were in the lottery. Gobert is basically the only team out of 16 that is a Center and the best player on his team.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:09
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Paperback Writer posted:lol @ Kyrie just unfollowing LeBron I reckon that tears it, then. Some things you just can't repair.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:09
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Paperback Writer posted:lol @ Kyrie just unfollowing LeBron Are there any recorded cases of social media signals being wrong? I'm not really joking, I'm pretty serious here. It seems like you could basically construct an entire predictive data modeling of what players real internal preferences are in free agency based on what they do on Twitter and Instagram and others. Like a few months ago didn't Gordon Hayward accidentally set his Twitter to green shamrock or something or was that his wife? In any event, it's really hilarious and beat writers should literally just be tracking the multi-variable social media connections of athletes.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:27
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Lockback posted:Dieng signed a 4/64 contract which I think is a good comparison for Noel. They are both borderline starter/bench bigs who are somewhat one dimensional. Dieng is more of a rim protector while Noel is more rangey defensively, on offense they each have a couple skills but are probably only scoring 10 assisted points. Dieng is a good rebounder on both sides though, so I'd pay him somewhat more, though he is a few years older. It's kind of funny that at the time it was seen as a massive discount to get Gorgui on that deal and not even a year later it's considered a bit of an overpay by some of the same people.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:29
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https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/889877177424064513 Should I be rooting for anyone in particular or are these dudes all the 15th men/camp fodder they look like
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