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GreyjoyBastard posted:I would be mildly more worried but entirely unsurprised if they passed a skinny repeal to try and hand the blame back to the House. I hope they throw a kegger every time they barely scrape by with something the other side will just scrap and start the process over entirely.
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Covok posted:Yeah, it's over. Exactly as I expected. Just as the House. They faked being defeated and turned people in secret. All of the turncoats revealed themselves in the last 5 minutes, just like in the house. I said that was how it'd turn out, just like house. Just like the house, we were left with our pants down grasping at straws as the vote happened: all our smug, self-serving predictions proven wrong, just like the house, just like election night. Except no, because unlike election night, it was more likely than not that the MTP would pass, and it was more likely than not that the House bill would pass, just like it remains more likely that the GOP will manage to pass some form of ACA repeal. Those are the logical consequences to them controlling all three branches of government. You can't compare a genuinely unexpected, counter-polls situation like the election and what happened today, because the idea that the MTP would fail was always a wild longshot; I don't think a single person in this thread was crowing about how it was doomed to fail. In fact, the fact that it was even a possibility, much less that the margins are this close and the process is this acrimonious, is a testament to the WEAKNESS of their position. You're treating every single thing like an election, but these are all consequences of a single election. The Republicans won big in 2016; they're going to pass some lovely bills. The fact that they're able to do so isn't a continuing NOTHING MATTERS or a referendum on the future, it's just what happens when you win. It also says nothing about 2018 or the future.
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Rigel posted:They voted to begin debate and offering amendments. It is not clear that there are 50 votes for any individual bill or amendment. Who exactly voted yes on the MTP and will vote no on the bill itself, and what is their motivation for acting that way?
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Petr posted:Who exactly voted yes on the MTP and will vote no on the bill itself, and what is their motivation for acting that way? what "bill" are you referring to, for starters
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Oxxidation posted:You are not a better person for caring about this. Eh, I already got enough karma to up my decking anyhow.
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Deified Data posted:McCain being gone is good, even if he gets replaced with a more evil man who doesn't pretend to waffle on issues and give people false hope that there are still principled republicans. A known quantity. McCain has always been a known quantity. People are just gullible.
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If I had a time machine I would go back to the Hanoi Hilton during the Vietnam War and tell McCain's torturers to just put a bullet in his brain, thereby preventing the suffering of millions of people some forty years later. As things stand though, I hope McCain suffers a hundred times the pain he suffered in Hanoi.
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pacmania90 posted:It's interesting that so many people here have changed their opinion the morality of the death penalty, or this thread would be full of hypocrites. I'm anti-death penalty but I hope John McCain's brain explodes
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Why the gently caress is Covok not forced to toxx or go away forever already?
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pacmania90 posted:It's interesting that so many people here have changed their opinion the morality of the death penalty, or this thread would be full of hypocrites. I'm not personally a death-wisher but "I think person should die" =/= "It's good that this person is dying" The difference is subtle but important. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Why the gently caress is Covok not forced to toxx or go away forever already? Toxx on what? The nothing-mattering?
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Z. Autobahn posted:Except no, because unlike election night, it was more likely than not that the MTP would pass, and it was more likely than not that the House bill would pass, just like it remains more likely that the GOP will manage to pass some form of ACA repeal. Those are the logical consequences to them controlling all three branches of government. You can't compare a genuinely unexpected, counter-polls situation like the election and what happened today, because the idea that the MTP would fail was always a wild longshot; I don't think a single person in this thread was crowing about how it was doomed to fail. In fact, the fact that it was even a possibility, much less that the margins are this close and the process is this acrimonious, is a testament to the WEAKNESS of their position. Are you being serious? Every single poster in here was convinced that a clean-repeal was absolutely doomed and a last-ditch attempt by Mitch to show the far right that their ideas cannot pass.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Hoping that someone dies horribly of cancer while begging for healthcare for all is pretty hosed up hth We aren't begging. We're demanding it. It is vitally important. Anyone who stands in the way of universal healthcare is responsible for mass death, and that includes John McCain.
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pacmania90 posted:It's interesting that so many people here have changed their opinion the morality of the death penalty, or this thread would be full of hypocrites.
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enraged_camel posted:If I had a time machine I would go back to the Hanoi Hilton during the Vietnam War and tell McCain's torturers to just put a bullet in his brain, thereby preventing the suffering of millions of people some forty years later. Edgy
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I don't see how not wanting the state to execute people and hoping McCain's suffering is great and terrible are incompatible positions.
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Deified Data posted:I'm not personally a death-wisher but "I think person should die" =/= "It's good that this person is dying" Well there are people saying they'd happily do the job themselves, which is a bit beyond that.
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https://twitter.com/kamilumin/status/889934899955806209 Basically how I feel right now.
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I'm impressed how many goons would literally be defending Hitler and the Nazis by admonishing those that wanted to go to war and stop them. Or how many would tsk tsk at The First Nations people when they picked up arms to fight against the invading Europeans. Or defend the right of southerners to keep Africans as slaves and clutch their pearls at the thought of northern Americans marching through their land to fight them.
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Petr posted:Who exactly voted yes on the MTP and will vote no on the bill itself, and what is their motivation for acting that way? Different people want different versions of the bill. The original BHCA senate bill, for example, was opposed by Ryan for not going far enough. Ryan's 'straight repeal' version was opposed by some of the moderate GOP for going too far.
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pacmania90 posted:It's interesting that so many people here have changed their opinion the morality of the death penalty, or this thread would be full of hypocrites. I don't think anyone's said that his death should be government-sanctioned.
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Petr posted:Are you being serious? Every single poster in here was convinced that a clean-repeal was absolutely doomed and a last-ditch attempt by Mitch to show the far right that their ideas cannot pass. The clean repeal still doesn't have 50 votes, sooooo
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Petr posted:Who exactly voted yes on the MTP and will vote no on the bill itself, and what is their motivation for acting that way? A lot of those people will vote no on the amendment they are reading now. The plan is to show the world that the 2015 repeal and the Cruz amendment don't have the votes so people stop talking about it. What we're not sure about is the "skinny repeal" that gets rid of a few parts of the ACA.
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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that I have compassion for Mcain. Brain cancer is a horrible, disgusting terror of a thing. It destroys your personality, erodes your mental faculties, and almost certainly condemns you to a protracted, painful death. I just wish they'd caught it sooner, then maybe they could have stopped him from becoming a republican.
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All you silly bitches talking about McCain dying like they ain't already put his brain in cryofreeze and shoved an agitated toad in his skull to get up and about for the vote.
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pacmania90 posted:It's interesting that so many people here have changed their opinion the morality of the death penalty, or this thread would be full of hypocrites. Actually separating out what the state can do to its citizens versus a citizen wishing death on another or even killing them can be completely morally consistent. One can oppose the state executing someone while advocating for a right to self defense, for example. Or more traditionally, one could oppose state executions but reserve the right of the people to overthrow their government through violence if needed.
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Covok posted:Yeah, it's over. Exactly as I expected. Just as the House. They faked being defeated and turned people in secret. All of the turncoats revealed themselves in the last 5 minutes, just like in the house. I said that was how it'd turn out, just like house. Just like the house, we were left with our pants down grasping at straws as the vote happened: all our smug, self-serving predictions proven wrong, just like the house, just like election night.  or gently caress off.
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evilweasel posted:wrong You forgot to lean closer to your microphone. https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/889936095756120064
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Petr posted:Are you being serious? Every single poster in here was convinced that a clean-repeal was absolutely doomed and a last-ditch attempt by Mitch to show the far right that their ideas cannot pass. clean repeal is doomed. You have no loving clue what you are talking about. I assume you saw "THIS IS IT, THE VOTE!" on twitter or TV or something, and rushed here without knowing any of the context or complexity..
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Boon posted:Oh word? Points discussed thus far: - Lifeless - Skills part brings to mind the neoliberal fantasy that everything will be okay once everyone's programmers - How can it be nonpartisan when it's the slogan of a political party - From the people who brought you "Trumped up trickle-down" and "America is Already Great" - Better Ingredients, Better "Pizza", Papa John Podesta's
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at your last sentence - as if being a condescending rear end was a right unto only yourself.
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Fart City posted:All you silly bitches talking about McCain dying like they ain't already put his brain in cryofreeze and shoved an agitated toad in his skull to get up and about for the vote.
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I imagine McCain playing a game of Ten Fingers and someone says "never have I ever... hosed over millions of people" and it goes around the circle until it gets to McCain and he puts a finger down
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quote:A woman is driving dangerously down a winding road, recklessly passing cars until she comes upon a slow moving Mack truck. As she goes to pass, her car is clipped by a truck going in the opposite direction, then slammed full-force by the Mack, killing her.
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Bobulus posted:Different people want different versions of the bill. The original BHCA senate bill, for example, was opposed by Ryan for not going far enough. Ryan's 'straight repeal' version was opposed by some of the moderate GOP for going too far. Those people all knew they weren't going to get a coherent bill by the time of the vote. The time for them to signal their disapproval with the process was the MTP. By voting for it, they're signalling their intention to vote for absolutely anything, because that is the only possible thing they could get.
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Fart City posted:All you silly bitches talking about McCain dying like they ain't already put his brain in cryofreeze and shoved an agitated toad in his skull to get up and about for the vote. I swear there was a poo poo cartoon about George Bush where that was literally the plot of an episode.
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Taking a break from the meltdowns... https://twitter.com/TedGenoways/status/889639153092186113
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Rigel posted:clean repeal is doomed. You have no loving clue what you are talking about. I assume you saw "THIS IS IT, THE VOTE!" on twitter or TV or something, and rushed here without knowing any of the context or complexity.. You assume wrong. See my previous post.
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Wishing that a man with cancer eating his brain would have it happen to him sooner because of how he affects the world is not the same as being for the death penalty, in which people are executed by the state, jfc
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Sinteres posted:I didn't mean to intimidate you, sorry for my intense posting. Honestly I just think it's healthy for some people to calm down and stop writing revenge fantasies like they're still being bullied in high school, but I'm not in control of any of you people, and wouldn't want to be. Again, McCain et al aren't giving people noogies, they're threatening our health and lives.
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Petr posted:Are you being serious? Every single poster in here was convinced that a clean-repeal was absolutely doomed and a last-ditch attempt by Mitch to show the far right that their ideas cannot pass. Do... do you think clean repeal passed today?
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evilweasel posted:no he's literally doing it because he's too scared to tell him he's fired to his face Can't it be both?
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