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Glazier posted:Maybe signaling that the time for civility is passed when you’re trying to kill millions of people. Do you not understand that the rules are different for these people? You and I and any idiot on Twitter can go "gently caress McCain, he's a piece of poo poo, I wish he died" and that's all loving great. If a Congressperson does that, they're gone. They're out, like, no questions asked they are going to lose their next election. Different things are different! Main Paineframe posted:Well, if they hadn't clapped, then they wouldn't have been caught on camera clapping for a guy who came all the way from a hospital in Arizona to be the deciding vote in favor of advancing a bill for taking away healthcare for tens of millions of people. I don't think anyone should be wishing McCain was dead or anything, but there's no reason to cheer for what he did today either. Politics isn't sports; if McCain's team wins it's going to hurt a lot more people than just unlucky gamblers and disappointed fans. So "optics" is your angle here? It's bad optics for the Dems to clap, but if they had booed instead, that would be good optics that would win them lots of votes? Reminder, they all voted against the motion. That is the important part, not the clapping.
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WampaLord posted:If a Congressperson does that, they're gone. They're out, like, no questions asked they are going to lose their next election. Different things are different! This is just categorically incorrect no matter how many times you repeat it.
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NewForumSoftware posted:This is just categorically incorrect no matter how many times you repeat it. I mean, I guess I can't prove it, because no Congressperson has been dumb enough to actively boo a cancer patient in Congress, but you realize what I'm getting at here?
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NewForumSoftware posted:This is just categorically incorrect no matter how many times you repeat it. [quote="“WampaLord”" post="“474715919”"] Do you not understand that the rules are different for these people? You and I and any idiot on Twitter can go “gently caress McCain, he’s a piece of poo poo, I wish he died” and that’s all loving great. If a Congressperson does that, they’re gone. They’re out, like, no questions asked they are going to lose their next election. Different things are different! So “optics” is your angle here? It’s bad optics for the Dems to clap, but if they had booed instead, that would be good optics that would win them lots of votes? Reminder, they all voted against the motion. That is the important part, not the clapping. [/quote] HAHHAHAHAHHAHA, have you forgotten who the loving President is? How loving dumb are you?
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Jul 25, 2017 21:25
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WampaLord posted:I mean, I guess I can't prove it, because no Congressperson has been dumb enough to actively boo a cancer patient in Congress, but you realize what I'm getting at here? Trump is President and Gianforte won his race
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Jul 25, 2017 21:25
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WampaLord posted:I mean, I guess I can't prove it, because no Congressperson has been dumb enough to actively boo a cancer patient in Congress, but you realize what I'm getting at here? I like senators who don't get brain cancer.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:25
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WampaLord posted:I mean, I guess I can't prove it, because no Congressperson has been dumb enough to actively boo a cancer patient in Congress, but you realize what I'm getting at here? Yeah, I understand what you're saying, it's just not true.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:26
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WampaLord posted:Do you not understand that the rules are different for these people? I think this is the important part. They cheered McCain being alive and participating in the process, which seems like the thing a decent human being would do. They didn't endorse his politics or his ideas. They didn't actually do anything wrong on the substance of the meeting. There are some guys who I don't like at work, but if they got cancer that doesn't mean I'm going to literally boo if they recover enough to come back into work.
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Trump won because Hillary was the worst candidate ever, I thought we all agreed on this. Now you're arguing he won because he was a total rear end in a top hat, and not in spite of it?
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Democrazy posted:I think this is the important part. They cheered McCain being alive and participating in the process, which seems like the thing a decent human being would do. They didn't endorse his politics or his ideas. They didn't actually do anything wrong on the substance of the meeting. What if your coworkers were killing tens of thousands of people a year with their bad decisions? WampaLord posted:Now you're arguing he won because he was a total rear end in a top hat, and not in spite of it? They are saying, and stay with me here, that clearly lack of decorum does not preclude you from winning elections in America.
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WampaLord posted:Trump won because Hillary was the worst candidate ever, I thought we all agreed on this. I don't see how you can twist anything anyone said to counteract your decorum argument as any of this. Please show your work.
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NewForumSoftware posted:They are saying, and stay with me here, that clearly lack of decorum does not preclude you from winning elections in America. No, lack of decorum did not preclude Trump from winning that one particular election, you can't extrapolate out to assume that every rear end in a top hat is going to win by being the biggest rear end in a top hat ever.
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WampaLord posted:No, lack of decorum did not preclude Trump from winning that one particular election, you can't extrapolate out to assume that every rear end in a top hat is going to win by being the biggest rear end in a top hat ever. Much like you can't extrapolate out to assume anyone who cheers the death of John McCain is cursed with unelectability. In fact, it may even help!
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NewForumSoftware posted:What if your coworkers were killing tens of thousands of people a year with their bad decisions? There's enough room in my mind to accept that someone both has incredibly wrong ideas and is not a genocidal monster. And frankly, if you care about healthcare, the Democrats voted right on the procedural vote today. I don't know what else they could do to make it more clear that they do not support BCRA.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:33
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NewForumSoftware posted:Much like you can't extrapolate out to assume anyone who cheers the death of John McCain is cursed with unelectability. In fact, it may even help! Well, good luck with that strategy, I'm sure it will work out great.
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WampaLord posted:Well, good luck with that strategy, I'm sure it will work out great. Considering what just happened, yours isn't working out all that great
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Who are these mythical people who would change their vote based on not clapping for John McCain? Are they the ones meeting at the Panera Breads of the country?
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All I want from the Democrats is the impression, the vague feeling that they actually give a poo poo about me. But it's painfully obvious that they care about an evil loving ghoul like John McCain and not me or my family, toiling away at a bunch of poo poo jobs that don't pay enough. Oh, you'll give money to the loving vampires I work for to retrain me for a better job that doesn't exist? Oh, you'll make a very sad face as you sit on your hands and make no attempt to stop the Republicans from making my very lovely healthcare even shittier? You won't even make pretend proclamations about single payer? You got absolutely nothing to help me not pay half of my salary to a literal rent seeker for a shoe box? At least being a dick to McCain would me some kind of fleeting sense that we're even the same species.
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Democrazy posted:There's enough room in my mind to accept that someone both has incredibly wrong ideas and is not a genocidal monster. I don't know if I'd call McCain "genocidal" but the modern day GOP is about as monster as you can get. The policies they pursue literally kill tens of thousands of people a year. I don't really know what to tell you, your example about your coworker you don't really like is a bad comparison.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:35
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WampaLord posted:If a Congressperson does that, they're gone. They're out, like, no questions asked they are going to lose their next election. Different things are different! No, they're not. Nobody is going to hinge their loving vote on whether or not someone clapped for John McCain a year or two back. Why does it have to be either clapping or booing? Maybe Dems could have done neither and just sat there, just like when every other GOP senator entered? You're setting up a false binary choice where none exists. WampaLord posted:I mean, I guess I can't prove it, because no Congressperson has been dumb enough to actively boo a cancer patient in Congress, but you realize what I'm getting at here? No, but they've done plenty to spurn cancer patients and other sick people outside of Congress. McConnell didn't seem concerned about civility when he called in the police to forcibly remove disabled people from his office. Chaffetz didn't seem concerned about civility when he said that maybe poor people could afford healthcare if they didn't buy so many iPhones. I mean, sure, they didn't insult any sick Congressmen, but do you really think a photograph of Dems not clapping for McCain would do more political damage than videos of Capitol Police beating up wheelchair-bound protesters and dragging them out of Mitch's office?
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WampaLord posted:Well, good luck with that strategy, I'm sure it will work out great. It's called "caring about people", it's a work in progress but I think we're going to villify the men and women responsible for the greatest economic inequality in the history of planet earth. Or at least not applaud them entering a room.
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I get that you're all angry, and I am too, but frankly, I'm glad none of you are political consultants.
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Democrazy posted:There are some guys who I don't like at work, but if they got cancer that doesn't mean I'm going to literally boo if they recover enough to come back into work. I think there's a difference between "some guy I don't like at work" and "someone who's actively trying to physically harm me and the people I love" though, isn't there? WampaLord posted:I get that you're all angry, and I am too, but frankly, I'm glad none of you are political consultants. Yeah, well, we saw your pre-election opinions and what they ended up being worth.
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WampaLord posted:I get that you're all angry, and I am too, but frankly, I'm glad none of you are political consultants. Frankly nobody cares about your milquetoast concern trolling Also how'd waiting with bated breath for Nancy and Chucks' new plan work out for you? Embrace cynicism and anger, it is the only way forward
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:At least being a dick to McCain would me some kind of fleeting sense that we're even the same species. Same, unfooooooortunately... https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/889928988537303041
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call to action posted:Who are these mythical people who would change their vote based on not clapping for John McCain? Are they the ones meeting at the Panera Breads of the country? Who are these mythical people who would vote Dem because they didn't clap for him? Do you think anyone other than us weirdos are watching C-SPAN on a Tuesday afternoon?
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WampaLord posted:Who are these mythical people who would vote Dem because they didn't clap for him? Do you think anyone other than us weirdos are watching C-SPAN on a Tuesday afternoon? Maybe the people dying because of his bad policies?
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WampaLord posted:I get that you're all angry, and I am too, but frankly, I'm glad none of you are political consultants. decorum obsession within the party and its current consultant grifter class is part of the reason democrats lose at everything.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Maybe the people dying because of his bad policies? Don't you think they're going to vote D anyway, no matter what amount of clapping took place? Matt Zerella posted:decorum obsession within the party and its current consultant grifter class is part of the reason democrats lose at everything. I understand this but in this particular instance there was nothing to be gained from acting like assholes.
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WampaLord posted:I understand this but in this particular instance there was nothing to be gained from acting like assholes. No, you don't understand it at all.
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WampaLord posted:Don't you think they're going to vote D anyway, no matter what amount of clapping took place? I don't really care because their senator is probably garbage anyways voting d is the problem, not a goal
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The only time Democrats have ever not clapped for a Republican was during the special testimony on turtle conservation given by JEB!
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WampaLord posted:I understand this but in this particular instance there was nothing to be gained from acting like assholes. you're almost there buddy, you can do it!
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:All I want from the Democrats is the impression, the vague feeling that they actually give a poo poo about me. But it's painfully obvious that they care about an evil loving ghoul like John McCain and not me or my family, toiling away at a bunch of poo poo jobs that don't pay enough. Oh, you'll give money to the loving vampires I work for to retrain me for a better job that doesn't exist? Oh, you'll make a very sad face as you sit on your hands and make no attempt to stop the Republicans from making my very lovely healthcare even shittier? You won't even make pretend proclamations about single payer? You got absolutely nothing to help me not pay half of my salary to a literal rent seeker for a shoe box? What did you want Democrats in the Senate to do today? What did they do that was not done?
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Well, thing is, how is is possible for the dems to credibly claim that the GOP are evil, murderous motherfuckers when they then turn around and pal around with them, as if this all was just some big game? Because it kinda suggests that they don't see wanting to put millions of people in a position where they risk dying needlessly as a big enough reason to hold someone in contempt, and if that isn't a reason then what is?
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Politics is just like a sports game you guys, you clap when someone from the other team gets back on the field to line up for the "take health care away from millions of people" play because we'll all get to watch a fun contest and it's not like it affects anything in real life, just a game.
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Democrazy posted:What did you want Democrats in the Senate to do today? What did they do that was not done? Print out the pictures of 50 patients who died of cancer from lack of healthcare and hold them silently as McCain walks back in
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Jul 25, 2017 21:50
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Democrazy posted:What did you want Democrats in the Senate to do today? What did they do that was not done? Start a brawl and use it as a distraction to shiv the turtle for starters.
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Democrazy posted:What did you want Democrats in the Senate to do today? What did they do that was not done? detonate their suicide vests
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WampaLord posted:Who are these mythical people who would vote Dem because they didn't clap for him? Do you think anyone other than us weirdos are watching C-SPAN on a Tuesday afternoon? It's representative of the larger problem: Dems being more concerned with being nice to Republicans than with helping Americans.
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