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I wonder if Dems/libs/progressives whatever are starting to think there might be something to that ol second amendment after all.
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Voting on BCRA with cruz has started. Needs 60.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Republicans didn't have poo poo in 2012. Trump was not a strong candidate
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Biden running in 2020 would be the best possible person Dems could hope for
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empty whippet box posted:Bernie will have could have won again Electing a socialist is the least this stupid country to do to apologize for Trump.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:There are undoubtably some sad sacks sitting in their hovel going "lul wage slaves" but the number of them are blown way out of proportion to fit the agenda. Because even if one dude in the middle of bumfuck nowhere games the system then the system is broken. Thats why they spend so much money drug testing people. Have you seen how little welfare is? Anyone on welfare has my Pitty. That's a miserable life. If we have to carry some dead weight, well, then that's the cost of a civil society. Take that pittance away and people will get genuinely desperate.
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Doctor Butts posted:Are you trying to be a master manipulator? uh. i feel like i'm being wooshed here
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Jul 26, 2017 02:26
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Only a few republicans have voted so far. Right now the Dems are just voting present, they'll come in with a flood of no's at the end. The GOP moderates haven't voted yet. edit: I dont think anyone has voted yet, they are doing the rollcall first to see that all 100 senators are present.
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Sinteres posted:People are going to post what they want, but my genuine advice to anyone who follows this on an obsessive level and has issues with depression, anxiety or feeling violent urges is to take what action you can by voting and engaging in any activism you're willing and able to do, and try to cut back on following the iv drip of news that resides in most of hour brains all day. I personally know I'd benefit from this, and probably most would, but especially people who are facing down real life consequences of this and/or have issues coping with stress. I'm going to try to take my own advice and cut back on following the thread for a bit (though I'll still probably be obsessively following twitter because it's an addiction), so I'm not trying to condescend to anyone or work in any last shots at anyone. Just try not to help the fuckers destroy you by exhausting all your mental energy waiting for the other shoe to drop. Easier said than done, I know. Anyway, best of luck to anyone facing this down in a real way; disagreements aside, I think we're all essentially on the same side here. "Guys we should probably all take a break from this thread" he says as he's firmly shown the door
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Rigel posted:Only a few republicans have voted so far. Right now the Dems are just voting present, they'll come in with a flood of no's at the end. No, votes begin with a roll call as if everyone were going to respond. Many of them do but they always have to chase people down in the halls.
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Jul 26, 2017 02:29
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Capito and Portman both yes. Its unclear what exactly they are voting on. No one else of interest has voted yet.
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Hollismason posted:Biden running in 2020 would be the best possible person Dems could hope for Hmm, we're tired of centrists Lets run Biden 
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60 votes needed for this, Capito may have decided "gently caress it, if this needs 60, I can vote yes"
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Sinteres posted:People are going to post what they want, but my genuine advice to anyone who follows this on an obsessive level and has issues with depression, anxiety or feeling violent urges is to take what action you can by voting and engaging in any activism you're willing and able to do, and try to cut back on following the iv drip of news that resides in most of hour brains all day. I personally know I'd benefit from this, and probably most would, but especially people who are facing down real life consequences of this and/or have issues coping with stress. I'm going to try to take my own advice and cut back on following the thread for a bit (though I'll still probably be obsessively following twitter because it's an addiction), so I'm not trying to condescend to anyone or work in any last shots at anyone. Just try not to help the fuckers destroy you by exhausting all your mental energy waiting for the other shoe to drop. Easier said than done, I know. Anyway, best of luck to anyone facing this down in a real way; disagreements aside, I think we're all essentially on the same side here. Nothing you have said here is technically wrong, but you have got to understand that you simply lack the perspective to address these issues. Until you have been forced to spend time gazing into the abyss you cannot appreciate what it means or how a person copes with it. While your intentions are genuine it is clear that you have no relevant practical experience- you are relying on your ideals and that is causing a conflict with the real world. (no ideals ever survive contact with the real world) To those facing death as a result of this vote you sound like a fat college proffessor lecturing a tribe of hunter-gatherers on how they should live in the jungle. You have some book learning and some ideals and you have genuinely given the matter some real thought and hell I'll even grant you that your intentions are pure. But whatever your intentions are you know poo poo about fuckall when it comes to this situation and are actively making things worse/impeding progress with your ham-handed attempts to force reality comply with your ideals.
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Jul 26, 2017 02:31
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This is probably the Cruz amendment. McCain's tumor voted yes. Rand Paul no
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Hollismason posted:Biden running in 2020 would be the best possible person Dems could hope for Biden is right of Clinton. Something tells me the leftbros will have less of a problem with him than they did with her, though. I wonder what the difference could be...
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Rigel posted:Capito and Portman both yes. Its unclear what exactly they are voting on. No one else of interest has voted yet. it's definitely BCRA + cruz as it requires 60 to pass. It has effectively already failed but only 35 recorded nos so far ( 23 yes)
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Jul 26, 2017 02:32
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I have clinical depression and depend on meds to live a normal life. If I didn't have ACA, I couldn't hold a job. What's better, me being a productive member of the workforce with a little assistance or completely dependent on the state? Of course, people who disagree with having guaranteed access to healthcare also don't believe mental illness is all that. Just stop being sad, sadbrains, duh.
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Petr posted:Biden is right of Clinton. ooh, I know, I know! White hair, right?
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Rigel posted:This is probably the Cruz amendment. Are you serious? Did McCain really loving vote yes on the doomed Cruz amendment?
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Prester Jane posted:You have some book learning Don't give him credit he doesn't deserve. He's clearly never thought for more than 10 minutes about Letter from Birmingham Jail, assuming he's read it.
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Jul 26, 2017 02:33
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Petr posted:Biden is right of Clinton.
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Jul 26, 2017 02:34
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Cruz amendment is dead, still about 30 voters left to be recorded.
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Petr posted:Biden is right of Clinton. Actual charisma?
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Your Taint posted:So if it doesn't pass tonight, then what? Dead? This is just the Cruz amendment, I think. Presumably they're moving onto something else related to healthcare after this.
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Your Taint posted:So if it doesn't pass tonight, then what? Dead? Nope, that's stage one. Stage 2 is straight repeal. Stage 3 is skinny repeal.
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skylined! posted:i'd like to get a tally of those in this thread that honestly know people who will do whatever they can to mooch off the government so they do not have to work. i would wager that the problem is a lot more overblown than this nice gentleman makes it out to be. 1. The mother of a friends ex-boyfriend. Bragged about her welfare, crappy section 8 apartment, and food stamps at the bar. Within 2 hours of meeting her, I knew that I didn't want her doing so much as stacking a shelf, cleaning a mess, or running a cash register. She just sorta sucked as a human being. If Kid Rock runs for Senate, though, her son might have some good stories, having dealt him coke and all...
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Jul 26, 2017 02:35
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So how late are they staying up tonight?
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Casey Finnigan posted:Are you serious? Did McCain really loving vote yes on the doomed Cruz amendment? I mean, he is still McCain, yeah?
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pumpinglemma posted:Could it be that Biden's centrism is far less well-known? No, that's crazy talk. Must be sexism. Its this, because I cannot tell you a single loving thing that Biden ever voted for or against, and his time as VP was exemplary for what a VP should be
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bird cooch posted:Have you seen how little welfare is? Anyone on welfare has my Pitty. That's a miserable life. If we have to carry some dead weight, well, then that's the cost of a civil society. I'm not saying it's some great fortune? Just that someone, somewhere, has gone "hah, I'm getting enough money from the government for rice and beans, suckers" because human nature is petty like that
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pumpinglemma posted:Could it be that Biden's centrism is far less well-known? No, that's crazy talk. Must be sexism. Why else would a leftist hate mi abuela? If they're not sexist why do I keep saying they are?
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Casey Finnigan posted:Are you serious? Did McCain really loving vote yes on the doomed Cruz amendment? And to think people wondered this: awesmoe posted:(also mccain voted on the mtp but has said that barring significant changes he'll vote no on the actual bill so i dont really get why people are wishing death on him vs the ~40 'yes to anything, skulls for the skull throne' senators but whatevs) It's John McCain. Stop thinking that he will ever do the right thing. Once again, he should've just stayed in his bed if he was really a no.
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pumpinglemma posted:Could it be that Biden's centrism is far less well-known? No, that's crazy talk. Must be sexism. Bit defensive, since we're talking about a hypothetical criticism of a hypothetical candidate. The
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Your Taint posted:So if it doesn't pass tonight, then what? Dead? what is dead can never die
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