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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Even with OCTH it seems like the game always gives the enemies a bonus cth. I'll be lying down in prone and out of range with a mp5 or shotgun and have enemies pelting me with pistol rounds every turn. Granted they don't do much damage but it's pretty frustrating to miss with 50-70% chance while enemy AI can plink at you from twice the distance with a pistol. This is true by default for black shirts but you can configure it in 1.13 if you want. I believe they also get a bonus to damage as well. I tend to prefer to leave the accuracy bonus but disable the damage bonus - them being more skilled makes sense to me but them magically making their bullets hit harder less so.
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Hey, X-Com fan here who wants to get into Jagged Alliance. What's my best entry point? I understand that JA2 is generally considered the better one, but there's two different versions on Steam and I can't tell which one would be the one to go with.
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DStecks posted:Hey, X-Com fan here who wants to get into Jagged Alliance. What's my best entry point? I understand that JA2 is generally considered the better one, but there's two different versions on Steam and I can't tell which one would be the one to go with. Its all in the OP friend. Fairly comprehensive guide on what to get and how to mod it into an even better state.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:14
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You'll want JA2 Gold, not Wildfire. Wildfire is pretty much a mod turned retail release and doesn't contain base JA2.
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Jan 18, 2017 22:36
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Eventually it locked up as I clicked to shoot at an enemy and realized that I forgot to quicksave after an hour of inventory management. Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who spends so much time playing dress up.
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Feb 19, 2017 01:41
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cerhio posted:Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who spends so much time playing dress up. It's pretty much the only reason I load up JA2 at this point.
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Feb 28, 2017 22:32
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DStecks posted:Hey, X-Com fan here who wants to get into Jagged Alliance. What's my best entry point? I understand that JA2 is generally considered the better one, but there's two different versions on Steam and I can't tell which one would be the one to go with. There's only really one Jagged Alliance game worth playing today, that being JA2 Gold with 1.13 and/or some mod based on it (1.13 is an open-source engine upgrade more or less). fake edit: drat. This post is a bit late.
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I don't know, for a new player maybe it would be better to stick to vanila? It's an awesome game on its own, even with its bugs and limitations 1.13 became a whole diferente beast nowadays, with so many features and new stuff hacked on, it's pretty overwhelming. There is a lot of modernizations and improvements too, but to have an experience even close to normal JA2, the new player would have to dive deep into the inis. And 1.13 also comes with the dumb ultra hard stuff enabled by default
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Mar 4, 2017 13:32
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Yeah these days I would recommend new players to do vanilla first before going to 1.13. I was able to jump into 1.13 more or less immediately (made the switch after taking Drassen), but that was back in 2009/10.
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Mar 4, 2017 13:40
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Just use an older version then. 4870 is still a pretty great point where most of the good features are in, but before they really started going off the deep end throwing in every new feature their main coder made on a lark.
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Trying to get into JA2 again with the 4870 build, and I had two questions: 1) I keep dying at the Drassen Airport, so I'm thinking I need to change up my strategy. What's a good way to get on your feet in this game, because I keep bouncing off it after that. 2) Do character sprites change if you wear body armor, or are you stuck in a tank top?
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Mar 27, 2017 22:02
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drkeiscool posted:Trying to get into JA2 again with the 4870 build, and I had two questions: Are you dying in the taking of the airport if the defence of it? If it's during the taking of the airport try to find some wire cutters, go into the airport via the northwest fence, and fight down to southeast using the buildings for cover. If you're dying during the defence I prefer to hang out in the south east security building. You're stuck with the tank top.
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Mar 28, 2017 00:08
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My preference in the early game is to always attack at night. I get people into cover then pop off a shot and kill anyone who comes to investigate, then slowly move in and repeat. Works great for getting past the early game, once you get some rifles then things get easier.
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I recommend making an IMP with stealthy and night ops and whatever else so you can slap a suppressor on your starting SMG/pistol and have a pair of NVGs. Let them scout the area, pick off dudes, and hopefully kite bad dudes back to the rest of your squad after leading them into a light source.
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Mar 28, 2017 05:41
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drkeiscool posted:Trying to get into JA2 again with the 4870 build, and I had two questions: I usually attack drassen at night and arrive in the sector from the north so that my team can line up on either side of the northeast building. If nobody comes to investigate just fire rounds off randomly and someone will usually come sprinting into an interrupt. If you press f over a tile (i think) it will show you brightness levels and as long as your mercs are around 20% nobody will see them.
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Want to play again but having no luck at all getting it to work. Can someone link me to a step by step guide to getting 1.13 to work through Steam?
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May 5, 2017 02:59
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Does anyone have a working link for the mod that adds the Wildfire maps to JA2 1.13?
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Sapo posted:This was a while back but it's painless to get working. If you want the wildfire maps without bothering with SVN I've uploaded the folder here: http://www.mediafire.com/?vxzem8494mczzhk. And if you want it with AFS: Sapo posted:A few people over the last dozen pages (the last year) have asked how to get AFS with wildfire maps. I threw together an archive of 1.13 (7875 on 2245) and AFS configured to use wildfire 6.07 for easy installation and uploaded it. Extract to the root of a fresh installation and launch AFS or any of its sub-mods. The adjusted NCTH system works really well with the more restricted wildfire maps. Some found items will show up as NAdA (removed guns?) but the majority of placed items are fine.
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May 29, 2017 20:31
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Did anyone happen to find the design documents of JA2? I have gotten a lot more interested into the game the last few days and my desire to find it's game design documents has increased exponentially. Or is my only hope Jagged Alliance 2 by Darius Kazemi?
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Jun 15, 2017 07:22
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Alrighty, the steam thread sent me. Is Jagged Alliance 2 Gold the 1.13 version the OP keeps mentioning? Where should a newbie start, basically?
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StrixNebulosa posted:Alrighty, the steam thread sent me. Is Jagged Alliance 2 Gold the 1.13 version the OP keeps mentioning? Where should a newbie start, basically? 1.13 is a mod you have to download. gold is 1.12. i jumped right into 1.13 when i first got jagged alliance 2 and still had alot of fun, but they've added alot of features since then that might be overwhelming for your first time. Roobanguy fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 03:25
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Roobanguy posted:1.13 is a mod you have to download. gold is 1.12. Is there a way to tune down 1.13 to not overloading a newcomer, then? I hear it makes the game run perfectly on Win 10 (thanks, cursory glance at steam forums!) so... well, I've got Win10.
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Jul 26, 2017 03:33
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StrixNebulosa posted:Is there a way to tune down 1.13 to not overloading a newcomer, then? I hear it makes the game run perfectly on Win 10 (thanks, cursory glance at steam forums!) so... well, I've got Win10. There is the INI Editor but there are so many options now I'm not what what will help besides the obvious disabling of the Drassen Counter Attack and disabling of NCTH.
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Jul 26, 2017 03:35
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Vanilla is the better, more balanced game without massive INI editing. Even with a lot of tweaking I enjoyed my last 1.13 playthrough less than my last vanilla one.
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I really wish AIMNAS was finished. It's the only 1.13 thing where shooting just feels, well right.
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Jul 26, 2017 04:00
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Honestly right now I would recommend giving vanilla JA a go and see how you like it. If you enjoy it then download 1.13 and toy around with it for a bit to find the right settings for you, but you're not going to be able to figure that out without some knowledge of game mechanics. Out of the box 1.13 is just too complex at this point and is designed for people who have been playing this game for years and years.
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Dreamsicle posted:I really wish AIMNAS was finished. It's the only 1.13 thing where shooting just feels, well right. i wish aimnas never moved onto the big maps. my biggest problem with jagged alliance 2 was already that maps felt too big.
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Roobanguy posted:i wish aimnas never moved onto the big maps. my biggest problem with jagged alliance 2 was already that maps felt too big. I actually played the beta version and it's actually not that bad as I thought it would be, but if you're already thinking the maps are too big then yeah you won't like it.
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Jul 26, 2017 04:18
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vanilla ja2 is real good. 1.13 isn't essential, it's for people who have played vanilla a couple dozen times and know nothing like ja2 is going to be rebooted any time soon. it's still the king of a very small niche castle, the isometric tactical turned based RPG
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Thanks for all the info, guys! I'll see if I can't get JA2 vanilla working on my laptop. Also to briefly explain the sudden interest (aside from its sale), I was listening to Three Moves Ahead in their Meta Campaigns episode where they sat down and compared XCOM 2's campaign to Jagged Alliance 2's campaign and the dudes love JA2 so much I wanted to see what the fuss was about.
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Probably 1.13 with just the QoL improvements would be the best, but gently caress editing 500 ini options to get there
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If version 4870 of 1.13 is still available somewhere try that. It's from before the bloated carcass exploded with features and it's very stable 
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Even if you edit the entire INI, you'd still have all the broken weapons and attachments to take care of. I don't remember a 1.13 version in which both snipers and automatic weapon specialists bursting down everything from halfway across the map felt balanced. In vanilla, mortars are pretty ridiculous, but at least they only appear very late in the game (and it's not like 1.13 fixed them, either).
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I don't like where 1.13 has gone with the feature creep that would put a wildly successful kickstarter to shame. But no matter what I love the huge library of guns. My merc 360 no scoping 20 dudes with a AWM is very satisfying, even if it's broken to hell.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Thanks for all the info, guys! I'll see if I can't get JA2 vanilla working on my laptop. If you're familiar with XCOM, 1.13 in its default state is basically Long War. Not a great idea to try to play right off the bat, hence all the vanilla recommendations. Once you kinda know what you're doing the version 4870 build of 1.13 is from a while back before the feature creep got really bad, so you can try that to ease into it or just get the current stuff and play around with it to see what you like. Broose posted:I don't like where 1.13 has gone with the feature creep that would put a wildly successful kickstarter to shame. My personal favorite broken tactics are using ambidextrous pistols and doing all night attacks to get in close, or giving everyone a machine gun and hosing the whole map down with bullets. Using explosives to breach a wall in combination with #2 is the best.
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It's been a couple years since I last played this and I really need to try out urban combat again. The one time I gave it a shot was when the latest 1.13 was plagued by mysterious crashes that turned out to be caused by vehicles attempting to flee.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Thanks for all the info, guys! I'll see if I can't get JA2 vanilla working on my laptop. definitely try vanilla first then, as ja2 is almost 20 years old and pretty long in the tooth so half the reason you should be playing it is just because it's a classic of the genre and you should appreciate it as it was for the first time. there's a good chance you'll like the game so much you'll want to play it again and that's the right time for an early 1.13 run what makes ja2 unique is that it has a suprising amount of depth and character, and it really is a role playing game underneath the tactical combat. go in blind but save frequently and explore the map a bit when you think you have time. there's a lot of secret stuff you can find by exploring, particularly in the early game in san mona boner confessor fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Gadzuko posted:My personal favorite broken tactics are using ambidextrous pistols and doing all night attacks to get in close, or giving everyone a machine gun and hosing the whole map down with bullets. Using explosives to breach a wall in combination with #2 is the best. Yeah especially with the addition of the CMMG 7.62 "pistols" you can wipe the map with a single merc dual wielding from assault rifle ranges.
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Okay, helpful resource time! After buying Jagged Alliance 2 Gold and doing more research, it looks like the Stracciatella mod fixes bugs and lets me run it in a window easily, so that's the one I'll play JA2 for the first time with! Again, all of you, thank you. I'm not ready for 1.13 yet.
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Is it worth trying to slog through JA1 or JA2 unfinished business? thinking I need to do a vanilla JA2 run again, but I've never spent much time with the other games...
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